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Anyway, I'm not sure the processor really need that much extra cooling. It's running at 28-29C idle, 43-44C when working, so it's not that hot to begin with. And that's with stock heatsink and fan. If I get that XP-120 Thermalright heatsink and 120mm fan too, it should be quite enough.
As for the fans to use, the case is supposed to have 2 spots for 120mm and 4 for 80mm (not sure about 92mm). I'm not too sure about cutting up holes to make new room for a fan, though. I'll see where the everything is easiest to mount and pick a fan that'll fit.
Another thought I've toyed with is buying a pump, some tubes, waterblocks and construct my own water-cooling. Around where I live, it's max 15C most of the year, apart from summer (never seen the air temp. go higher than 40C, though). In the winter, easily below zero. For most of the year (half or so), it'd be 5-15C. outside. (The exact average for each month are: -4.5 -4.4 -1.4 4.0 10.0 14.5 17.2 15.9 11.6 6.5 2.1 -1.1, from Jan to Dec).
So, I just rig up everything inside the computer as you would with any other water-based cooling. Now here's the trick. I either get an old water-based radiator (used to heat a house once upon a time) or I can even get some copper tubes (copper have a very nice thermal conductivity. I doubt diamond tubes is a realistic goal) and build my own radiator, and then hook that into the system. But, I mount it outside the house, so the water will be cooled by the air outside. I could get water down to very nice temperatures easily for most of the year, maybe even below zero at winter (it depends on how good the radiator is and the temperature at the time obviously). Obviously, I don't want the pipes to freeze up, so I'd of course have to mix in some anti-freeze in there. 50/50 car coolant should do the trick (-30-40C freezing point, as well as higher boiling point, not that it matters that much). That's a bit of a shame, as water is one of the best liquid thermal conductors out there (of course mercury would've been nice with a conductivity about 17 times higher than water, but it's expensive, not to mention extremely dangerous...), but it should work. In the summer, I might have to disconnect this and go back to air-cooling (then again, if the radiator turns out to work well, I might not have to). I could also go back to pure water in the system to increase the effect without risking freezing. Applying a fan to the radiator wouldn't be a bad idea either, but it'll cost.
Thin copper tubes are not that expensive, neither are plastic tubes or car coolant, so the raw material costs are nothing to worry about. Waterblocks for computers are certainly not cheap, but considering what an entire water-cooling set costs, it's not much. The pump could turn out to be a problem, though. I have no idea how much those things costs.
So, any comments? It's just a thought, I doubt I'll ever get around to doing this, but it should work, right?
72C? Jesus... I have to admit I'm no expert on GFX cards and their temperatures, but 72C for a 9800XT sounds like quite a lot. What's the temperature in the room, and what is the temperature in the case?
Edit: On closer inspection, maybe it's not so bad. Apparently, it does run very hot (I'd say 72C is above par, though. I'd be nervous at that temperature). Some people said they get different readings depending on what program they use (20C higher with ATITools). I use ATITools, and my 9600XT runs at 37C idle, 44C under load (room temp at 23C, case temp at 27C).
<!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+Nov 19 2004, 12:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ Nov 19 2004, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another thought I've toyed with is buying a pump, some tubes, waterblocks and construct my own water-cooling. Around where I live, it's max 15C most of the year, apart from summer (never seen the air temp. go higher than 40C, though). In the winter, easily below zero. For most of the year (half or so), it'd be 5-15C. outside. (The exact average for each month are: -4.5 -4.4 -1.4 4.0 10.0 14.5 17.2 15.9 11.6 6.5 2.1 -1.1, from Jan to Dec).
So, I just rig up everything inside the computer as you would with any other water-based cooling. Now here's the trick. I either get an old water-based radiator (used to heat a house once upon a time) or I can even get some copper tubes (copper have a very nice thermal conductivity. I doubt diamond tubes is a realistic goal) and build my own radiator, and then hook that into the system. But, I mount it outside the house, so the water will be cooled by the air outside. I could get water down to very nice temperatures easily for most of the year, maybe even below zero at winter (it depends on how good the radiator is and the temperature at the time obviously). Obviously, I don't want the pipes to freeze up, so I'd of course have to mix in some anti-freeze in there. 50/50 car coolant should do the trick (-30-40C freezing point, as well as higher boiling point, not that it matters that much). That's a bit of a shame, as water is one of the best liquid thermal conductors out there (of course mercury would've been nice with a conductivity about 17 times higher than water, but it's expensive, not to mention extremely dangerous...), but it should work. In the summer, I might have to disconnect this and go back to air-cooling (then again, if the radiator turns out to work well, I might not have to). I could also go back to pure water in the system to increase the effect without risking freezing. Applying a fan to the radiator wouldn't be a bad idea either, but it'll cost.
Thin copper tubes are not that expensive, neither are plastic tubes or car coolant, so the raw material costs are nothing to worry about. Waterblocks for computers are certainly not cheap, but considering what an entire water-cooling set costs, it's not much. The pump could turn out to be a problem, though. I have no idea how much those things costs.
So, any comments? It's just a thought, I doubt I'll ever get around to doing this, but it should work, right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As good as this sounds...
NO NO NO NO
Never ever cool below room temperature unless you know exactly what you are doing
REASON: Condensation inside ur case = water inside ur case = BAD BAD BAD and possibly a dead computer...
Well, I'd isolate the cable with a coat of foam of course...
Edit: Actually, on second thought, foam might be overkill. Wrapping ordinary papertissue around it should be able to absorb all the condensation, and since the temperature in the case should be a couple of degrees above room temperature, the water should vaporize soon enough. I'd probably have to replace the paper every now and then, though.
<!--QuoteBegin-rabbity+Nov 19 2004, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rabbity @ Nov 19 2004, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> my 9800xt temperature is like, 72 degrees after running games...is that fine or too hot?
im getting a cpu fan too, and maybe a card fan, if 72 degrees is too hot <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If this is 72C then you may have a problem... If this is 72F i reserve the option of smacking you.
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Anyway, I'm not sure the processor really need that much extra cooling. It's running at 28-29C idle, 43-44C when working, so it's not that hot to begin with. And that's with stock heatsink and fan. If I get that XP-120 Thermalright heatsink and 120mm fan too, it should be quite enough.
As for the fans to use, the case is supposed to have 2 spots for 120mm and 4 for 80mm (not sure about 92mm). I'm not too sure about cutting up holes to make new room for a fan, though. I'll see where the everything is easiest to mount and pick a fan that'll fit.
So, I just rig up everything inside the computer as you would with any other water-based cooling. Now here's the trick. I either get an old water-based radiator (used to heat a house once upon a time) or I can even get some copper tubes (copper have a very nice thermal conductivity. I doubt diamond tubes is a realistic goal) and build my own radiator, and then hook that into the system. But, I mount it outside the house, so the water will be cooled by the air outside. I could get water down to very nice temperatures easily for most of the year, maybe even below zero at winter (it depends on how good the radiator is and the temperature at the time obviously).
Obviously, I don't want the pipes to freeze up, so I'd of course have to mix in some anti-freeze in there. 50/50 car coolant should do the trick (-30-40C freezing point, as well as higher boiling point, not that it matters that much). That's a bit of a shame, as water is one of the best liquid thermal conductors out there (of course mercury would've been nice with a conductivity about 17 times higher than water, but it's expensive, not to mention extremely dangerous...), but it should work.
In the summer, I might have to disconnect this and go back to air-cooling (then again, if the radiator turns out to work well, I might not have to). I could also go back to pure water in the system to increase the effect without risking freezing. Applying a fan to the radiator wouldn't be a bad idea either, but it'll cost.
Thin copper tubes are not that expensive, neither are plastic tubes or car coolant, so the raw material costs are nothing to worry about. Waterblocks for computers are certainly not cheap, but considering what an entire water-cooling set costs, it's not much. The pump could turn out to be a problem, though. I have no idea how much those things costs.
So, any comments? It's just a thought, I doubt I'll ever get around to doing this, but it should work, right?
im getting a cpu fan too, and maybe a card fan, if 72 degrees is too hot
Edit: On closer inspection, maybe it's not so bad. Apparently, it does run very hot (I'd say 72C is above par, though. I'd be nervous at that temperature). Some people said they get different readings depending on what program they use (20C higher with ATITools). I use ATITools, and my 9600XT runs at 37C idle, 44C under load (room temp at 23C, case temp at 27C).
So, I just rig up everything inside the computer as you would with any other water-based cooling. Now here's the trick. I either get an old water-based radiator (used to heat a house once upon a time) or I can even get some copper tubes (copper have a very nice thermal conductivity. I doubt diamond tubes is a realistic goal) and build my own radiator, and then hook that into the system. But, I mount it outside the house, so the water will be cooled by the air outside. I could get water down to very nice temperatures easily for most of the year, maybe even below zero at winter (it depends on how good the radiator is and the temperature at the time obviously).
Obviously, I don't want the pipes to freeze up, so I'd of course have to mix in some anti-freeze in there. 50/50 car coolant should do the trick (-30-40C freezing point, as well as higher boiling point, not that it matters that much). That's a bit of a shame, as water is one of the best liquid thermal conductors out there (of course mercury would've been nice with a conductivity about 17 times higher than water, but it's expensive, not to mention extremely dangerous...), but it should work.
In the summer, I might have to disconnect this and go back to air-cooling (then again, if the radiator turns out to work well, I might not have to). I could also go back to pure water in the system to increase the effect without risking freezing. Applying a fan to the radiator wouldn't be a bad idea either, but it'll cost.
Thin copper tubes are not that expensive, neither are plastic tubes or car coolant, so the raw material costs are nothing to worry about. Waterblocks for computers are certainly not cheap, but considering what an entire water-cooling set costs, it's not much. The pump could turn out to be a problem, though. I have no idea how much those things costs.
So, any comments? It's just a thought, I doubt I'll ever get around to doing this, but it should work, right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As good as this sounds...
NO NO NO NO
Never ever cool below room temperature unless you know exactly what you are doing
REASON: Condensation inside ur case = water inside ur case = BAD BAD BAD and possibly a dead computer...
~Jason
Edit: Actually, on second thought, foam might be overkill. Wrapping ordinary papertissue around it should be able to absorb all the condensation, and since the temperature in the case should be a couple of degrees above room temperature, the water should vaporize soon enough. I'd probably have to replace the paper every now and then, though.
im getting a cpu fan too, and maybe a card fan, if 72 degrees is too hot <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If this is 72C then you may have a problem... If this is 72F i reserve the option of smacking you.