KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Heh, get some sleep, narby. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
It's that damned self-confidence thing that I'm having problems with... Undoubtably as a byproduct of the depression I've been fighting recently. :-\ I'd have some eloquent response here, but my roommate's alarm woke me up a bit earlier than I wanted to get up... I'm going back to bed now. (See? It happens to all of us. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->)
realityisdeadEmployed by Raven Software after making ns_nothingJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Alright, before this gets out of hand, I want to clarify that I know that I don't have all the answers here, and I am only expressing my opinions.
I am fully aware that things are a lot different once you become hired by a professional developer. I don't know first hand, as I have only been doing this for 4 years as an amatuer, but it only takes common sense to realise what a difference it would be to do it professionally.
And you are right... there is absolutely nothing wrong with self confidence. If you don't have confidence in yourself, you will only degrade your work down to nothing. But there is a fine line between self confidence and blatant boasting. It's in the attitude. I never tried to suggest the point of non-confidence.
All I really wanted to get across was that regardless whether you are doing this professionally or as an amatuer, you should be concentrating on your work rather than your popularity on a personal level. As KFS said, let your work speak for you rather than trying to force it. But of course... you also need to get it out there to people.
I think all of us are arguing different points here... it's kind of funny, actually. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
KassingerShades of greyJoin Date: 2002-02-20Member: 229Members, Constellation
You know, this is a very very intresting discussion, I mean it.
One thing I very often experience is seeing first one guy replying to a post with pics from a map. If he's really positive to the map the following posts will often say the same thing. (except some people, who either are constructive or in a bad mood)
[EDIT]My point is that people often react in the same way of the first poster, and some posters say all famous mappers maps are great and some people say that everyones maps are great, without knowing much about how maps should look.[/EDIT]
And the thing I'm really thinking about is if first one guy comments, like let's say he says:"Yeah, I like it but move the vents, they're ugly" etc. Then it's a very very big chance that lots of following posts will say about the same thing. "Oh, nice, but yeah the vents could maybe be removed or something"
Ok, I've said what I had in mind, I'll go back and hide in the corner now. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
realityisdeadEmployed by Raven Software after making ns_nothingJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Heh, I've noticed that too, Kassinger. Often people see someone who they respect comment on something and then decide that they share the same opinion... even if they wouldn't have said anything about it if it wasn't mentioned by the first person.
I think for the most part though, the opinion really is shared from the start. Chances are, it <i>would</i> be better off without the vent, or whatever the object of discussion could be.
KassingerShades of greyJoin Date: 2002-02-20Member: 229Members, Constellation
Yeah, you're right.
But one thing I'm used to see is that if people only post like one (short) line or two in their reply on a such thread, they will still take with lots of what's been said before. :S
Personally, I try to avoid beating a dead horse. If the mapper's seen 20 responses that say "This texture sucks!" then a 21st won't dissuade him from changing it if he's going to, and it won't convince him to change it if he's decided against fixing it. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> Luckily, NS maps generally have enough depth that you can generally find something to comment on that nobody else has.
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internet arguments at 7:30 am makes my brain cry
It's that damned self-confidence thing that I'm having problems with... Undoubtably as a byproduct of the depression I've been fighting recently. :-\ I'd have some eloquent response here, but my roommate's alarm woke me up a bit earlier than I wanted to get up... I'm going back to bed now. (See? It happens to all of us. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->)
I am fully aware that things are a lot different once you become hired by a professional developer. I don't know first hand, as I have only been doing this for 4 years as an amatuer, but it only takes common sense to realise what a difference it would be to do it professionally.
And you are right... there is absolutely nothing wrong with self confidence. If you don't have confidence in yourself, you will only degrade your work down to nothing. But there is a fine line between self confidence and blatant boasting. It's in the attitude. I never tried to suggest the point of non-confidence.
All I really wanted to get across was that regardless whether you are doing this professionally or as an amatuer, you should be concentrating on your work rather than your popularity on a personal level. As KFS said, let your work speak for you rather than trying to force it. But of course... you also need to get it out there to people.
I think all of us are arguing different points here... it's kind of funny, actually. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
One thing I very often experience is seeing first one guy replying to a post with pics from a map. If he's really positive to the map the following posts will often say the same thing. (except some people, who either are constructive or in a bad mood)
[EDIT]My point is that people often react in the same way of the first poster, and some posters say all famous mappers maps are great and some people say that everyones maps are great, without knowing much about how maps should look.[/EDIT]
And the thing I'm really thinking about is if first one guy comments, like let's say he says:"Yeah, I like it but move the vents, they're ugly" etc. Then it's a very very big chance that lots of following posts will say about the same thing. "Oh, nice, but yeah the vents could maybe be removed or something"
Ok, I've said what I had in mind, I'll go back and hide in the corner now. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
I think for the most part though, the opinion really is shared from the start. Chances are, it <i>would</i> be better off without the vent, or whatever the object of discussion could be.
But one thing I'm used to see is that if people only post like one (short) line or two in their reply on a such thread, they will still take with lots of what's been said before. :S