Saudi Clerics Blame Tsunami On Christians
<div class="IPBDescription">hilarity totally ensues</div> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><a href='http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050109-102911-9121r.htm' target='_blank'>Allah off the Richter scale</a>
The killer wave that swallowed tens of thousands of Muslims was an act of Allah designed to punish the Christians. So went the convoluted logic of some Muslim imams in recent sermons from Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian territories.
If it weren't for the diligent monitoring of Muslim clerics by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), Americans would be in the dark about the outpourings of dangerous drivel fed to devout Muslims gathered in mosques for Friday prayers.
Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Munajiid explained God's tsunami punishment of Christians stemmed from "the Christian holidays [that] are accompanied by forbidden things, by immorality, abomination, adultery, alcohol, drunken dancing and revelry. A belly dancer costs 2,500 pounds a minute and a singer costs 50,000 pounds an hour, and they hop from one hotel to another from night to dawn.
"Then they spend the entire night defying Allah. ... At the height of immorality, Allah took revenge on these criminals. ... Allah struck them with an earthquake. He finished off the Richter scale. All nine levels gone."
In the same vein, Sheikh Mudeiris, at a Palestinian Friday sermon in Gaza, said, "When oppression and corruption increase, the law of equilibrium applies. I can see in your eyes you are wondering what is the 'universal law of equilibrium.' This law is a divine law. If people are remiss in implementing God's law and in being zealous and vengeful for His sake, Allah unleashes his soldiers in action to take revenge."
In Saudi Arabia, one of last year's measures to counter mosque-generated violence was a ban on imam's using the word "jihad," or holy warrior. But the content hadn't changed much without the banned word. Saudi cleric 'Aed Al-Qarni told the worshippers, "Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered. This is the path to victory." He was reacting to the death of a brother "killed by the brothers of apes and pigs, the murderers of the prophets." In case there was any doubt, he was referring to the Jews of Israel.
He then deplored lamented the lack of Muslim backbone: "One billion two hundred million nobodies. We are incapable of taking action, of being useful, of harming the Jews. The most people do today is to verbally protest over the TV channels or to demonstrate. What is the use of this? ... We must sacrifice people like Abd Al-Aziz Al-Rantisi, and Ahmad Yassin, and thousands of others. Houses and young men must be sacrificed. Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered. This is the path to victory, to shahada and to sacrifice."
Imam Al-Qani went to explain the "idolatrous" people of Vietnam, Cambodia and South Africa, "nations with no calling or divine law make sacrifices ... in people, blood and souls. All the more reason we should too, the nation of Islam."
Saudi clerics have also urged Iraqis to resist "the American occupation of Iraq." They can urge jihad without the proscribed word for holy war.
Saudi Sheikh Fawzan Fawzan said God's unlisted number informed him the tsunami was punishment for homosexual behavior and fornication over Christmas, even if the victims are Muslims. "All that's left for us to do," he said, "is to ask for forgiveness. We must atone for our sins, and for the acts of the stupid people among us. ... We must fight fornication, homosexuality, usury, fight the corruption on the face of the Earth, and the disregard of the lives of protected people." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
le rofl.
The killer wave that swallowed tens of thousands of Muslims was an act of Allah designed to punish the Christians. So went the convoluted logic of some Muslim imams in recent sermons from Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian territories.
If it weren't for the diligent monitoring of Muslim clerics by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), Americans would be in the dark about the outpourings of dangerous drivel fed to devout Muslims gathered in mosques for Friday prayers.
Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Munajiid explained God's tsunami punishment of Christians stemmed from "the Christian holidays [that] are accompanied by forbidden things, by immorality, abomination, adultery, alcohol, drunken dancing and revelry. A belly dancer costs 2,500 pounds a minute and a singer costs 50,000 pounds an hour, and they hop from one hotel to another from night to dawn.
"Then they spend the entire night defying Allah. ... At the height of immorality, Allah took revenge on these criminals. ... Allah struck them with an earthquake. He finished off the Richter scale. All nine levels gone."
In the same vein, Sheikh Mudeiris, at a Palestinian Friday sermon in Gaza, said, "When oppression and corruption increase, the law of equilibrium applies. I can see in your eyes you are wondering what is the 'universal law of equilibrium.' This law is a divine law. If people are remiss in implementing God's law and in being zealous and vengeful for His sake, Allah unleashes his soldiers in action to take revenge."
In Saudi Arabia, one of last year's measures to counter mosque-generated violence was a ban on imam's using the word "jihad," or holy warrior. But the content hadn't changed much without the banned word. Saudi cleric 'Aed Al-Qarni told the worshippers, "Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered. This is the path to victory." He was reacting to the death of a brother "killed by the brothers of apes and pigs, the murderers of the prophets." In case there was any doubt, he was referring to the Jews of Israel.
He then deplored lamented the lack of Muslim backbone: "One billion two hundred million nobodies. We are incapable of taking action, of being useful, of harming the Jews. The most people do today is to verbally protest over the TV channels or to demonstrate. What is the use of this? ... We must sacrifice people like Abd Al-Aziz Al-Rantisi, and Ahmad Yassin, and thousands of others. Houses and young men must be sacrificed. Throats must be slit and skulls must be shattered. This is the path to victory, to shahada and to sacrifice."
Imam Al-Qani went to explain the "idolatrous" people of Vietnam, Cambodia and South Africa, "nations with no calling or divine law make sacrifices ... in people, blood and souls. All the more reason we should too, the nation of Islam."
Saudi clerics have also urged Iraqis to resist "the American occupation of Iraq." They can urge jihad without the proscribed word for holy war.
Saudi Sheikh Fawzan Fawzan said God's unlisted number informed him the tsunami was punishment for homosexual behavior and fornication over Christmas, even if the victims are Muslims. "All that's left for us to do," he said, "is to ask for forgiveness. We must atone for our sins, and for the acts of the stupid people among us. ... We must fight fornication, homosexuality, usury, fight the corruption on the face of the Earth, and the disregard of the lives of protected people." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
le rofl.
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OH LOL ALLAH TELL ME WHO TO BLAME!
While that was a bit harsh, I think that one shouldn't be so hasty in calling someone else's religious beliefs crazy, stupid, or retarded.
Modern Islam, or at least publisized fundamintalist Islam, such as this, is not Islam in my book, and therefor is safe to make fun of. Because I'm improtant, or at least oppinionated, which may or may not mean anything to you.
Do you really think that the prophit Muhammad intended for his religion to cause so much death? so much suffering?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->le rofl.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couldn't have said it better.
While that was a bit harsh, I think that one shouldn't be so hasty in calling someone else's religious beliefs crazy, stupid, or retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
don't you mean "crazy, stupid, <b>dumb</b>, and retarded"?
i mean.. that's how the song goes... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
While that was a bit harsh, I think that one shouldn't be so hasty in calling someone else's religious beliefs crazy, stupid, or retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What that guy teaches, what that guy believes, is that the way to heaven is to KILL YOU. And you say we should respect their beliefs? Ones based on hatred, stupidity, and logical contradictions?
While that was a bit harsh, I think that one shouldn't be so hasty in calling someone else's religious beliefs crazy, stupid, or retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What that guy teaches, what that guy believes, is that the way to heaven is to KILL YOU. And you say we should respect their beliefs? Ones based on hatred, stupidity, and logical contradictions? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In truth the jewish thora is filled with a lot more death and hatred that tha koran. Theres no word of keeping women masked or the holy war. The thora infact is a book of racism and hatred.
And that's different from the normal...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...outpourings of dangerous drivel fed to devout Muslims gathered in mosques for Friday prayers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...how?
There's some pretty dangerous outpourings of drivel being fed to devout forum-goers gathered reading this thread right now.
Uhh, I don't think it's that funny.
By them i'm assuming you mean muslims. Do you have a source for that?
On topic; yeah fundamentalists do suck a lot.
I find this funny b.c. i recently watched an interview where some lady spokeswoman of an american christian group was talking about how the disaster was casued by God to punish the muslims and how 8 of the hit nations where on the some top 50 list of countries that persecute christians.
These people make me laugh.
Pretty good excuse they got going there.
Uhh, I don't think it's that funny. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well from a social study standpoint, it's entirely unfortunate and not very funny at all.
the piercing, stinging, burning, chafing, scathing irony is what gets me.
Do you really think that the prophit Muhammad intended for his religion to cause so much death? so much suffering? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean I can now poke fun at you for spelling no less than <i>seven</i> words wrong, just because I have an opinion? I.E You're illiterate?
No, it doesn't. Although sometimes, I almost feel it should do.
Do you really think that the prophit Muhammad intended for his religion to cause so much death? so much suffering? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean I can now poke fun at you for spelling no less than <i>seven</i> words wrong, just because I have an opinion? I.E You're illiterate?
No, it doesn't. Although sometimes, I almost feel it should do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are <i>you</i> aware that when you have a number, and not an amount or quantity, that you should use the word "fewer" instead of "less"?
Apparently not.
Does this make you illiterate? I shouldn't think so, but it certainly makes me think that you're not in such a great position to be commenting on other people's grammatical errors.
In fact the vast majority of his were typographical errors, whereas your mistake stems from a complete lack of understanding of how the language that you use every day of your life should be used correctly.
Does this mean that either of you are not entitled to an opinion, without the risk of being ridiculed by arrogant pedants who are in fact not entirely in control of their own language? No. Under no circumstances could that be true.
Get over yourself.
Do you really think that the prophit Muhammad intended for his religion to cause so much death? so much suffering? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean I can now poke fun at you for spelling no less than <i>seven</i> words wrong, just because I have an opinion? I.E You're illiterate?
No, it doesn't. Although sometimes, I almost feel it should do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are <i>you</i> aware that when you have a number, and not an amount or quantity, that you should use the word "fewer" instead of "less"?
Apparently not.
Does this make you illiterate? I shouldn't think so, but it certainly makes me think that you're not in such a great position to be commenting on other people's grammatical errors.
In fact the vast majority of his were typographical errors, whereas your mistake stems from a complete lack of understanding of how the language that you use every day of your life should be used correctly.
Does this mean that either of you are not entitled to an opinion, without the risk of being ridiculed by arrogant pedants who are in fact not entirely in control of their own language? No. Under no circumstances could that be true.
Get over yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You really had to search for that one, didn't you?
In fact, I was saying that I shouldn't poke fun, simply because of the spelling employed. However, you've quite clearly shown my 'complete lack' of understanding of how to use language correctly. [/sarcasm]
I'm fairly sure that the distinction you describe is largely opinion versus rule anyway, as an additional point.
- Shockwave
It's excellent to see that you are using markers for your witty attempts at sarcasm. Maybe I should have used some hyperbole tags in mine so that you could have understood sooner. Would you prefer that I do so from now on for your benefit?
Whether or not your <i>stated</i> point was that you should or shouldn't poke fun is unimportant. You used it as an opportunity to show brilliant one-upmanship, so as to denigrate his point. Brilliant use of argumentum ad hominem, if I may say.
It's excellent to see that you are using markers for your witty attempts at sarcasm. Maybe I should have used some hyperbole tags in mine so that you could have understood sooner. Would you prefer that I do so from now on for your benefit?
Whether or not your <i>stated</i> point was that you should or shouldn't poke fun is unimportant. You used it as an opportunity to show brilliant one-upmanship, so as to denigrate his point. Brilliant use of argumentum ad hominem, if I may say. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
rofl owned
Anyway I think this is probably nothing new what these clerics and imams have been saying at friday prayers, I wouldn't be supprised if stuff like this happens at Mosques all over the UK on Fridays <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The point about the lack of "muslim backbone" is probably a good thing tho as it probably shows a lack of willingness or desire to act on the requests of the Clerics. The acts of muslim terrorists that wee hear about are hardly the acts of "all muslims" if they were things would probably far worse.
Stuff like this unfortunatly doesn't do Islam any favours really in the eyes on non muslims which probably is the whole point of the ramblings these clerics spew out.
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Bold! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Do you really think that the prophit Muhammad intended for his religion to cause so much death? so much suffering? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean I can now poke fun at you for spelling no less than <i>seven</i> words wrong, just because I have an opinion? I.E You're illiterate?
No, it doesn't. Although sometimes, I almost feel it should do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are <i>you</i> aware that when you have a number, and not an amount or quantity, that you should use the word "fewer" instead of "less"?
Apparently not.
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IT'S ON!
I call for a grammar off! OHhhh SNAP.
Anyway I think the topic of this thread should have been "Santa clause Kills 150 thousand"
But about the original post: this sounds very similar to Rev. Falwell pushing much of the blame for the 9/11 attacks on homosexual communities and pro-choice people. Far too often are people ready to point a finger rather than lend a helping hand which, I believe, is what should be going on instead of trying to label a tragedy as an act of punishment.
That's all I have to say about that.
Usage Note: The traditional rule holds that fewer should be used for things that can be counted (fewer than four players), while less should be used with mass terms for things of measurable extent (less paper; less than a gallon of paint). However, less is used in some constructions where fewer would occur if the traditional rule were being followed. Less than can be used before a plural noun that denotes a measure of time, amount, or distance: less than three weeks; less than $400; less than 50 miles. Less is sometimes used with plural nouns in the expressions no less than (as in <b>No less than 30</b> of his colleagues signed the letter) and or less (as in Give your reasons in 25 words or less).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bold! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks, I think? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Shockwave
Well when you choose a religion (I've chosen Christianity) it's about the Faith itself and not so much the people who comprise said faith, they're more like your distant relatives who you really don't like to admit being related to <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I love my faith but I don't like being associated with neocons who claim Christ is a Republican. You get the idea.
GG jacking the quote from [who]them back when I convinced him to idle in #muga, but he probably stole it from someone else so it's gravy
as for the first post, being an extremist is just like being racists, it's something that is force feed to you from a young age where it makes sense, and the older you get the more it builds <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Amen, brother.