Ever Saw Marine Wins In A Clan Match?

Lofung

<div class="IPBDescription">never, for me</div> i tried some Competitive, not involving clans i can say, and never ever saw marines win once, is this normal or thats only our problem? games always end up with 4 fades and 2 onos rampaging:(

Jmmsbnd007

If you pit two high-level clans together with almost the same skill level there's a high probability that they'll marine tie.

themakefunofpplacct

Alien ties are pretty frequent in the lower level competitive level because I don't think they know what to do. bad aim has a factor in it, but it all comes down to strategy. If they don't realize the importance of preventing the 2nd hive from going up, then they'll probably lose most of their games.

kiwi

ive seen marines win heaps of times... even when they 2 clans are pretty balanced marines can win... sometimes you just need to do something unexpected, sometimes you just need to get lucky <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

tjosan

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I'll just repeat it for good measures:
Marine ties are alot more common than alien ties in high-tier play, especially on maps such as veil, origin and eclipse.

SpaceJesus

which would be veil, the most marine biased map conceivable, origin which is fairly marine biased imo and tanith which every clan who plays more than once a year knows inside out.

fanatic

This has mostly been covered previously in the thread, but I'll make my point anyway.

Marine ties are the norm in high tier clanplay, mostly because aim and commander skill gives marines huge advantages. Most of the popular maps being generally marine biased helps too.

Jmmsbnd007

<!--QuoteBegin-SpaceJesus+Jan 14 2005, 06:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpaceJesus @ Jan 14 2005, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> which would be veil, the most marine biased map conceivable, origin which is fairly marine biased imo and tanith which every clan who plays more than once a year knows inside out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Veil isn't even close to the most marine biased map conceivable (think mineshaft). It's marine biased, but not as much as others.

That_Annoying_Kid

1.04 rines used to rape aliens on the constant

it's just a matter of where your looking <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Zephor

this weeks results from CAL
11 out of 14 clans got a 2-0 which means 11 clans won their marine round in their matches today.

Pheus

Inexperienced clans dont know how to play marines well, 2 fade 2 res, 1 dc 1 hive is n't exactly hard to follow (heck dont even bother with a lerk). Its a matter of low level aliens being easy, and high level aliens being hard, and vice versa for marines

funbags

hehe...we lost both games in a scrim against sux as a marine..and so did sux. aliens won all 4 times.

Armageddon

you need a lot of coordination to win, but a lot of it is individual skill within your clan members.

funbags

<!--QuoteBegin-Armageddon+Jan 17 2005, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Armageddon @ Jan 17 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> skill within your clan members. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe that's why we lost. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

NGE

To answer the title-

When don't they win for the most part? You've got enough firepower to down 2-4 skulks a clip, an additional 2 on backup, start a spawn camp with ranged ease, health from the heavens, and they've got... skulks.

Granted, good skulks can throw a wrench in the marine machine.

Still, clever rines with enough skill are garunteed to at least be a hell of a fight.

Quite a bit of success has to do with the early game. If you're quick and desicive, you'll do wonders as the rines.

homicide

Marines are typicaly/should be better than 1 hive skulks in high-end and low-end play. In high end play marines are completely aware of this and use it as their greatest window (from 0:45 to 4:00 into the game). The play is faster and the game is frequently decided within this window. In contrast lower end marine teams are slower to get started and fail to capitalize on the marine's greatest advantage, the earily game.

TheAdj

New competitive teams usually have strong alien games and weak marine games unless the commander knows whats going on. Once the commander is up to speed marines have a much higher likelihood of winning. Otherwise aliens have a strong advantage.