Is Time Relative

Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
<div class="IPBDescription">No flamming etc. please</div> No this is not a flaming topic nor a stupid topic the other day i was having a fasinating conversation about the theory of realativity

Is time realative?

How would you measure this and Would time still be realative in say other parts of our solar system or other galaxys And how can you explain the many infreqencys in this thory?

I do not claim to be smart nor to no much on this but i do like to disscuse this but i love the conversation please be senssible in this top[ic thanks - begin

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  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    Ah crap i put this in wrong place could an admin please move and delete this part of post thanks
  • Mad_ManMad_Man Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17359Members, Constellation
    we base our time on the rotation of our planet on its axix and around the sun, it can be diffrent on any other planet/large moon
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    time and distance are dependent on relative velocity. Time and distance are always constant in your measurement, but will vary in relation to any outside observer's measurements, depending on your relative velocities.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    time goes faster when u play ns

    and slower when youre in class


    this is true.
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    No but that is not time its self that . Time is the aging of people etc. we only meassure time like that how could you meassure time its self in space ? plus thats not really the point of my argument
  • Mad_ManMad_Man Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17359Members, Constellation
    to rotation of the universe if it even rotates?_? But im guessing if humans even do infect the rest of space instead of times zones on a planet each planet will have its own or some strange method
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    What about the meassuring of tme when we look at the meassurement of time we meaassure by how many times the easrth roattes but What about in the futer meassuring time by the decay od paricles ad does gravity play an effect on how time is measssuresd and paaceieved
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    Any how i am not talking about the meassurement of time nor the meassure metn of time on each planet i am talking about the thoery of "realativity of time"

    How realative is time?
  • Mad_ManMad_Man Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17359Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sub zer0+Jan 17 2005, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sub zer0 @ Jan 17 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Any how i am not talking about the meassurement of time nor the meassure metn of time on each planet i am talking about the thoery of "realativity of time"

    How realative is time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe you need to read <a href='http://acnet.pratt.edu/~arch543p/readings/Newton.html' target='_blank'>this</a>
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    I was kinda more thinck the part of depating a subbject involved debating lets forget that and form our owm opinons igonre all you have lernt (more or less) and tell me what you thinck not what you have been told
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    Going to bed and seeming how this post will die thanks any how i funelley enough had the most intersting conversation with some one on cs ( no he was below 18 )
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    what do you mean? (thread necromancy).
  • kavasakavasa Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
    Time is definitely relative. According to our best knowledge, there's no such thing as true simultaneity. Depending on observer, events that are not <i>causally related</i> could occur in quite literally any order.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    Unless the two objects/events are moving/happening at some decent sized chunk of the speed of light it's pretty much impossible to see a difference in time. Although, I'm pretty sure there was a test of sending two syncronized clocks, one into space and the other on Earth and the one in space came back a little behind the first.


    Not exactly sure where I got that from though. There's a bunch of threads like this buried in Discussions (even if this one was resurrected). And I'll assure you that that stupid "Deep Blue Sea" "Have your hands on a hot woman and an hour can feel like a second and having your hand on a hot stove for a second can feel like an hour" thing is retarded, and doesn't represent relativity (even if it does represent a discrepancy with the scale of time).
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited January 2005
    Isn't that a paraphrasing of what Einstein said?

    "you spend an hour with a pretty girl and it feels like a minute; spend a minute with your hand on a hot stove and it feels like an hour."

    And as he "invented" relativity...
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Necrotic+Jan 30 2005, 11:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrotic @ Jan 30 2005, 11:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Isn't that a paraphrasing of what Einstein said?

    "you spend an hour with a pretty girl and it feels like a minute; spend a minute with your hand on a hot stove and it feels like an hour."

    And as he "invented" relativity... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    He discovered it, he didn't invent it. (It existed before the idea was in his head.) Which means that just because he said it, that doesn't mean it's 100% true.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Jan 17 2005, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Jan 17 2005, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> time and distance are dependent on relative velocity. Time and distance are always constant in your measurement, but will vary in relation to any outside observer's measurements, depending on your relative velocities. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    or just simply your point of view.

    Cant remember where I read this....


    Example

    To a 5 year old a birthday is very exciting b/c its something that doesnt come very often. A special day that has only come 5 times in that persons entire life.

    Now compare that too an 85 year old man. Another birthday is most likely far less exciting as it was when he was only 5. Hes already had 85 of them in his own known life time.


    Also on a slightly differnt model of perception (Perception which has a lot to do with time.)

    This is Cpl.Davis thinking now.

    Obviously we know the differnce between running and sprinting. The change in our visual perception, the feeling of increased speed.

    When a turtle moves at its fastest its brain processes its "fast speed" and comapares it to the turtles sence of normal speed.
    Hense a turtle feels that its going just as fast as a human does when a human sprints.

    Also.
    Body time and clocks. Animals that movie very fast and ahve accelerated organ useage (normal heart rate, pulse, breaths per min etc) such as hummingbirds, insects and pretty much all fast moving animals usualy mature and die faster too.

    Does time move faster for them? Considering they are more often than not, percieving things much faster thatn a human brain could.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    I would just like to point out that relativity is a steaming pile of crap.

    However, perceived time is a completely different concept.

    Technically, most of what you perceive is heavily influenced by memories that are only seconds old. The here and now is an infinitessimally small point and can have no concept of speed or measurement. Therefore, I am forced to believe that any perceived flow of time is directly dependant on very short term memory and how much data you can process at one point in time.

    So, if somehow you stored 2-3 times more data in your very short term memory, it would most definetly have to take on *some* kind of perceptual effect. Following this point, slowed time is entirely a possible effect. The only other effect I can think of would be an ultra-vibrance to everything around you. (Like going from a 50's black&white tv to a modern day hdtv).
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    You take your quantum mechanics witchcraft and you get out. You get out now.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-T h e m+Jan 31 2005, 04:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (T h e m @ Jan 31 2005, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would just like to point out that relativity is a steaming pile of crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're not pointing, you're claiming. I'm interested to hear what you've heard\read that contradicts relativity, because as far as I know they've actually conducted experiments that support the theory of relativity (ie time distortion due to speed). They made two ludicrously accurate, identical clocks, put one on a very fast train for a bit, and discovered that the one that had been on the train was showing a time significantly earlier than the other.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jan 31 2005, 05:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jan 31 2005, 05:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-T h e m+Jan 31 2005, 04:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (T h e m @ Jan 31 2005, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would just like to point out that relativity is a steaming pile of crap. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're not pointing, you're claiming. I'm interested to hear what you've heard\read that contradicts relativity, because as far as I know they've actually conducted experiments that support the theory of relativity (ie time distortion due to speed). They made two ludicrously accurate, identical clocks, put one on a very fast train for a bit, and discovered that the one that had been on the train was showing a time significantly earlier than the other. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have heard similar stuff before about testing relativity. Except it was on a plane (planes go much faster than trains). And it still was only maybe .01 times the speed of light, meaning the difference in time that passed over a few days was a very small fraction of a second (somewhere around 10^-10 s). So many different versions of that story, I guess.

    Anyway, there's also the fact that the use of particle accelerators requires taking relativistic effects into account.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    time is an arbitrary value we impose on the progression of events called life, there is no great huge clock in the sky, and time is absolute. the progression of events speeds or slows relative to nearby actions when absolute speeds are very high, we codify this action as a change in relative time, but the usage of the t-word is purely semantic for ease of understanding. time is not a property of matter, it is not dependant on items, it is invented by the observer and imposed on the observed.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    There are ways to measure time that aren't subjective, like basing it on the vibration of particles or something complex which I read about and forgot. It's something that never fluctuates and is the same no matter how you measure it.
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    Time, the most feared mass murderer in existence.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jan 31 2005, 12:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 31 2005, 12:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There are ways to measure time that aren't subjective, like basing it on the vibration of particles or something complex which I read about and forgot. It's something that never fluctuates and is the same no matter how you measure it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    sure there are things which pulsate at a known speed, but if you were to fall asleep it would 'stop pulsing' until you looked back at it. with an adrenaline rush time seems to slow down, but we kno that chemicals in your body dont affect the outside world, so theres reason to say time is subjective.

    our current definition of a second is based on a certain number of fluctuations of a certain wavelength of red light, this will always give the same time. however, since it is measured in nanometers and meters are also based on a certain number of fluctuations of light, the whole scheme is variable.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Relativity is definitely not "crap." It has observable effects, such as the Lorentz contraction, as well as relativistic energy/velocity/momentum (all of which have terms with time and distance in them).
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Here's a definition for time that I grabbed from <a href='http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/current.html' target='_blank'>this</a> site.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So, there is no distance involved in this measurement, it simply requires counting the number of times that the action occurs. By applying this definition to different scenarios (which have already been mentioned in this thread), it is shown that time is relative.
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