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BulletHead · February 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">With a school project</div> Aight, I'm doing my senior project, and all was fine till I was informed my thesis was no longer a viable one (DAMNIT)

now, with less than 2 weeks to re-do the ENTIRE project, I come grovelling here for help... I need to find as MUCH info on the Hong Dynasty (old China) as I can... and all my google searches keep coming back with frickan VIDEO games!

HELP!!! If I don't get this done, I FAIL the year <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Zel · February 2005

if google searches dont work, change your thesis again, OR

go to a real library. its hella slower than the internet, but if the year's grade is worth an evening to you (which it should be) dedicate an entire evening to being at the real library. theyve got books on everything, probably more than several on the hong dynasty. Itll take you an hour to find the right area, then several more hours to read enough material, but thats why i said to dedicate an entire evening.
yes, you can afford to lose one friday. (youre not going to remember one more friday night out with friends in five years, but you will remember that awesome paper you did way back when)

BulletHead · February 2005

I can't... both my parents are sick with Bronchitous, and my mom has Laringitous and my dad has Pnuemonia ... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

And I can't drive yet, and the library is like, 20 miles away.. school library = no help at all <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

EDIT- yeah, I know, I can't spell worth ****

Zel · February 2005

tell the teacher you are having problems with research, even if he/she doesnt help you, he/she will at least ahve some sympathy on the overall grading (which is always good)

if you are old enough to be dropped off alone at the library, then your parents sickness is not an excuse, it takes only a few minutes to drop you off and pick you up. (with a scheduled pickup time, or a few quarters for a payphone call, if you dont have a cell, the public library will have a payphone).

if that doesnt work, ask your best friend and their family can potentially get you a ride, im sure your friends parents would jump at the chance to have their kids hang out at the library instead of the mall. he/she should also be willing to help you with the project.

as a last resort, there are taxi services in every populated town. it may cost you ten dollars each way, but is the course's grade worth that to you? (damn well better be, considering what your parents pay in taxes for the school system). (also, make very well sure that the taxi doesnt get confused and wait for you outside the library several hours, he will run up a thousand dollar bill)

LokeTheSleekPeruvian · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Feb 1 2005, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Aight, I'm doing my senior project, and all was fine till I was informed my thesis was no longer a viable one (DAMNIT)

now, with less than 2 weeks to re-do the ENTIRE project, I come grovelling here for help... I need to find as MUCH info on the Hong Dynasty (old China) as I can... and all my google searches keep coming back with frickan VIDEO games!

HELP!!! If I don't get this done, I FAIL the year <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Are you sure that's the correct name for the dinasty? Do you know when it begun/ended?

Euoplocephalus · February 2005

I suspect that your problem is a mispelling. I'm taking a course on Chinese history at the moment, and I suspect that you are looking for the Han dynasty. It lasted from 206 B.C to 184 A.D. Its something of an easy mistake to make, Chinese doesn't transliterate into English very well, so how things are spelled and how they actualy sound are two very different things, though why you are doing a report on a dynasty that you've never seen written out is beyond me. I suppose I've been out of High school long enough that the standards of teaching have dropped even lower, though at the time I wouldn't have thought that possible. Then again we have a C student as president.

CplDavis · February 2005

I believe you are referring to the "Han" dynasty. Dont know about a Hong one.

Which was established after succeeding the Qin Dynasty. (the Qin where the chineses dynasty that was ruled by the emperor whom Jet Li tried to assassinate in the movie Hero btw)

The early Han dynasty was formed out of the opposition to the Qin legalist state.
They consisted of primarily the members of lower society who had been forced to do military or labor service on projects such as the beginnings of the great wall of china (which was first started under Qim Emporer Zheng and was continued for several hundred years)

King Zheng was the first emperor to take on the new title of Shi Huangdi "First August Emperor" he took over the 6 largest nation states of china and unifed them. he created a single formal writing, numerical and language system. he built roads, and interstate highways that where larger and longer than the romans.

Back to the Han dynasty.

The first revolters (which included convicts/concripted farmers and peasants numbered in the hundreds of thousands on these massive public works projects under the Quin.
At one point they where working on a large project which was delayed b rain. They decided to revolt. They new they would most likely die in the hard working conditions anyways so they felt they had nothing to lose.

For all its good intentions and chinese cultural and scientific advancements the Qin lacked humaneness and civility over their people, however the Qin ruler was still popular umonst the general population.

However the Qin emperor was always trying to gain immortality by trying out differnt potions. One of these eventualy killed him, After his death his unpopluar second son was to succeed him over his first born due to some underhandedness by his leaders. Several states broke off and revolted. The "mandate of heaven" had been lost as they saw it. (look mandate of heaven up im not gonna descrive that here.)

A new leader came to power. Liu Bang, who was the first Han emperor. He reigned from 206-195BC) He won popularity for critizing the harsh laws and penalties of the Qin. yet with only a few expetions he kept most of the legalist laws in place during his rule. Although he did reduce some of the more savage punishments such as branding and mutilation to simple fines.

blablabla I could go on forever... this is not even the tip of the iceberg for the Han period. Which was later considered to be the golden days of china.

Quick facts about inventions invented by the Han dynasty
Seismograph, paper, watermills, magnetic compas, ships with rudders for stearing, wood laquer and more.

China was relly advanced for its time. They fought with crossbows 1300 years before it even appeared in Europe. And unlike Rome, the chinese cities had waste management systems established so they woudlnt polute their rivers.
They even had clay bases to heat their beds lol.

if you want to know more info send me a PM.

Im not gonna do the research for you but if you have any questions once you have started I might be able to help.
Im still studying Chinese. Korean, and Japanese history myself <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

BulletHead · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Euoplocephalus @ Feb 1 2005, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I suspect that your problem is a mispelling. I'm taking a course on Chinese history at the moment, and I suspect that you are looking for the Han dynasty. It lasted from 206 B.C to 184 A.D. Its something of an easy mistake to make, Chinese doesn't transliterate into English very well, so how things are spelled and how they actualy sound are two very different things, though why you are doing a report on a dynasty that you've never seen written out is beyond me. I suppose I've been out of High school long enough that the standards of teaching have dropped even lower, though at the time I wouldn't have thought that possible. Then again we have a C student as president.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
hehehe, I go to Central Dauphin High School

surely you've heard of us

Heroin in schools, sex on the busses, that's all usual. This is just the first time they've gotten caught XD Our school sucks balls

My world cultures teacher said that, if it were up to him, we wouldn't HAVE a senior project period XD And in our book it IS written out Hong... 0o' damn PoS books from 15+ years ago XD

I should have known it was Han... there is a class of Nuclear Attack Sub (chinese) named after it... the Han fast attack sub... noisy lil bastard though, only 5 of them were made *shrug*

Thanks for the help <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Mad_Man · February 2005

A bit off topic, but what kinda busses are they that you can have sex on them o.O
My schools busses are small and cramped with about 2-3 to a seat in every seat

CplDavis · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Feb 1 2005, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
I should have known it was Han... there is a class of Nuclear Attack Sub (chinese) named after it... the Han fast attack sub... noisy lil bastard though, only 5 of them were made *shrug*

Thanks for the help <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
hmm thats interesting, lol how old are your text books?

Currently there are translations of chinese into English that are conisdered the "offical" translations by both chinese and international scholars.

They are the older wade-giles translation version which came about a long time ago and the hanu-pinyin system which is the romanized version which was created by the chinese in the 1950s. Pinyin is the officaly recognised translation of the peoples repbuclic of china.

Both of these tranlations however spell it h-a-n- though.
The pinyin system for the most part spells the chinese words in english and pronounces them as they are to spelled to the english speaker.
exceptions:
In the pinyin system "q" is "ch" ex. qin = chin
"c" is "ts"
"ch" is "x"
"zh" is pronounced like the "j"
"xi" is close to "she" in english. close but not entirely.

Do realise that there are many sounds in the chinese language that do not exist in
english.

PS go here <a href='http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/time_line.html' target='_blank'>Chinese dynasties</a>
Its a timeline of all the chinese histories. No Hong though. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> I looked thorugh my books to and didnt find it either.

BulletHead · February 2005

Mad Man, it was the bus DRIVER having sex with a student that didn't even ride his bus... he would go pick her up and park in a nearby construction site... best part of it is, the girls b/f was the bus drivers son 0o'

And CplDavis, I didn't get that out of any textbook from school. I get most of these facts from the books by Tom Clancy (He does both fiction AND non-fiction now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> )

Sub_zer0 · February 2005

i skiped most of it but was that the one that buildt the large clay army , also the early china blah blah blah where the most advanced and best weapons makers and well ahead of tehre times one it is a very impressive and i find intresting subject (blah blah blah) !

DrSuredeath · February 2005

May want to try Wikipedia.com

By the way, Qin Shi Huang Di and Han dynasty is over-rated. Qin Shi didn't even do a very good job unifying China, his dynasty barely lasted half a century. And he wasn't even the first to unify china, There's the eastern Zhou dynasty before that.

Tang dynasty for the win. Li Shi Min rocks.
(Self-Proclaimed Chinese History/ Wuxia fiction nerd)

Talesin · February 2005

Personally, presented with such an opportunity, I would not waste it. Write two papers.

The first is a paper about the Hong dynasty, with their rocket belts and genetically modified labor-animals.. extolling the virtues of their solid-harmonic sculpture and matter conversion power plants. Then end that the paper had to be this way, as there IS no 'Hong' dynasty, so either it was to be written about a future Chinese dynasty, or that the outdated textbooks need replacing. Note at the end that a second report, about the Han dynasty, is available and complete.

Then hand in the second paper, properly constructed about the Han dynasty, written as a term paper should be. Depending on your teacher, you might even score bonus points for the first paper if he's irritated at the underfunding too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

CplDavis · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Feb 1 2005, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

And CplDavis, I didn't get that out of any textbook from school. I get most of these facts from the books by Tom Clancy (He does both fiction AND non-fiction now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> )  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
lol! nice tom clancy is one of my favorite authors. i have almost all of his books, and some of his co authored ones too. And I have some of his non fiction works too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

BulletHead · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Feb 1 2005, 10:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Personally, presented with such an opportunity, I would not waste it. Write two papers.

The first is a paper about the Hong dynasty, with their rocket belts and genetically modified labor-animals.. extolling the virtues of their solid-harmonic sculpture and matter conversion power plants. Then end that the paper had to be this way, as there IS no 'Hong' dynasty, so either it was to be written about a future Chinese dynasty, or that the outdated textbooks need replacing. Note at the end that a second report, about the Han dynasty, is available and complete.

Then hand in the second paper, properly constructed about the Han dynasty, written as a term paper should be. Depending on your teacher, you might even score bonus points for the first paper if he's irritated at the underfunding too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Lol, I have TWO weeks to

A) Gather Info

B) Do an Outline

C) DO a rough draft

D) Do a final Draft

E) Right a works cited + bibliography page

You do one report, I'll do the other? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

CplDavis · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Feb 2 2005, 01:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Lol, I have TWO weeks to

A) Gather Info

B) Do an Outline

C) DO a rough draft

D) Do a final Draft

E) Right a works cited + bibliography page

You do one report, I'll do the other? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
lol it will be good practice for ya?

Going to college maybe?
Get used to it lol

Euoplocephalus · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Feb 1 2005, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Heroin in schools, sex on the busses, that's all usual. This is just the first time they've gotten caught XD Our school sucks balls

My world cultures teacher said that, if it were up to him, we wouldn't HAVE a senior project period XD And in our book it IS written out Hong... 0o' damn PoS books from 15+ years ago XD
 </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Ahh...brings backs memories...though I must admit we never quite got the heroin-usage back in my day, just blow in the bathrooms and knife fights on the buses.

And I compeltly sympathize with out-dated books. Back iwhent eh Taliban seized power I tried to do a report on Afghanistan, and couldn't find any materials that didn't pre-date the Soviet invasion. And I didn't even have the interent to turn to.

Ah well, good luck, with your report and high school in general.

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