Is This True?!

DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
in General Competitive Discussion
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs15&d=05063&f=Image1.jpg

hey check out that key : s4 and value : pige0n

that little thing is written into your config if youve used nshook, a hack for ns.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I'm talking about the variable, not the person, I need to know this for personal reasons, I only want to know if its true or not, nothing more.

Please I need confirmation
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  • ZephorZephor Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11547Members, Constellation
    This has been around since 1.04. It's not a definite 100% though. If anyone has any proof to prove me wrong go right ahead though.
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  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    looked thru my 1.0 demos, and I have a guy with s4 = m00se... that the same thing?

    Is demofreak 100% accurate?
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  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    edited February 2005
    I think it's pretty accurate. After trying said hook against whichbots, I too had this key. It's simply this line in your config file :

    <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->setinfo "s4" "pige0n"<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->

    Simply removable by deleting the line in config.cfg. You can add your own customized keys for others to see when viewing a demo.

    Type setinfo "hello" "ololol". Demofreak will then show this in the key list of demos you are in.

    Knowing this, you can notice when some players ever used this hook by recording a demo and looking at the keys. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • VoronweVoronwe Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11297Members, Constellation
    how did you get demofreak to work with NS?

    I tried adding the -ns line when using hl.exe...but it just opens hl
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  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    Use -game ns as parameter.
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  • xtcmenxtcmen Join Date: 2004-04-20 Member: 28040Members, Squad Five Blue
    Guys, check this out too.

    <a href='http://img210.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img210&image=fooglef8zz.jpg' target='_blank'>http://img210.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img210&image=fooglef8zz.jpg</a>

    It says s4 pidgeon thingy. Click on the link, then click on the picture a couple times for it to zoom in.
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  • SpiikeSpiike Join Date: 2005-01-14 Member: 35545Members
    i did a test on a lot of my hacker demos, and the ones that were banned from many servers tested positive for NShook, the pige0n variable, and the few that weren't banned that i have dems of, didn't have any variable pige0n in it, i'm not sure if this is 100% accurate way of finding hackers, or determining the good aim vs the hackers or not, but it narrows it down? maybe its 75% accurate :o
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  • DrummerDrummer Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26654Members
    hmm, interesting. i think if you found this key with this value in someones config, thats reason enough to temp ban them, pending an explaination from them. obviously, dont tell them what theyve been accused of, first ask them what that key and value mean in their config, making it sound like you're interested in a script they were using or something. if they say something like they were joking around and were pretending to hack, then they're prolly fine and werent hacking. if they say something else like "i dont know" then theres a good chance they were hacking.

    anyone agree?
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  • TuplisTuplis Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13925Members, Constellation
    afaik, witchbot can add this line as well.... so the accuracy is really far from 100%
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    As I understand it S4 pig0n remains in your config even after you have deleated a hack long ago, thus anyone who has ever downloaded and tryed a hack will have it unless they have removed it.

    I have no idea weather it is nessicary for hacks to work or not, but it it is there you at very least know that at SOME point that person has hacked, even if it was just agianst witchbot like was mentioned before.

    To recap I wouldn't ban people for simply having it, but if you suspect them of hacking anyways it is the kind of thing that could be used for confirmation. As people who have never hacked don't have it. Even then, it is kindof lie detector syndrom, it is quite possible for more competent hackers to not have it, and possible for people who never hacked on your server, or any server with players, to have it as well.
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  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    You cannot determin if a player is using 3rd party programs to enhance their gameplay by a setinfo.
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  • phunktionphunktion Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22883Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    <!--QuoteBegin-amnesiac+Mar 19 2005, 08:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amnesiac @ Mar 19 2005, 08:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You cannot determin if a player is using 3rd party programs to enhance their gameplay by a setinfo.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol. is that all you have to say in your defense?
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  • GoDlolGoDlol Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33703Members
    Head of nslearn has s4 pigeon in his config! Wonder what he will teach them!
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  • uk_jauk_ja Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11245Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-GoDlol+Mar 19 2005, 04:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoDlol @ Mar 19 2005, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Head of nslearn has s4 pigeon in his config! Wonder what he will teach them! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    is THIS true?
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  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-phunktion+Mar 19 2005, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (phunktion @ Mar 19 2005, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-amnesiac+Mar 19 2005, 08:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amnesiac @ Mar 19 2005, 08:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You cannot determin if a player is using 3rd party programs to enhance their gameplay by a setinfo.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol. is that all you have to say in your defense? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've known about people putting these values in their config even when they didn't hack for almost... a year and a half now, just so overly suspicious little cal-wannabe admins jump all over them and look stupid.

    Congrats
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  • fanaticfanatic This post has been edited. Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    s4 = pige0n is in no way a good way to determine if someone is using hacks or not. If you see someone having it, though, it doesn't hurt to spectate them and get demos a few times...
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  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    Just ask hsu if they cheat. He's the ultimate hackdar.
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  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    Who said anything about a defense? It was a statement.
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  • GoDlolGoDlol Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33703Members
    Hopefully someday the a-bomb will have the banned-bomb catch up with him
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  • amnesiacamnesiac Join Date: 2004-11-03 Member: 32619Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-GoDlol+Mar 22 2005, 01:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoDlol @ Mar 22 2005, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hopefully someday the a-bomb will have the banned-bomb catch up with him <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, and maybe one day you will mature into a sensible young man. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • elfkillerelfkiller Join Date: 2003-10-26 Member: 22020Banned
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-amnesiac+Mar 22 2005, 03:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amnesiac @ Mar 22 2005, 03:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-GoDlol+Mar 22 2005, 01:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoDlol @ Mar 22 2005, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hopefully someday the a-bomb will have the banned-bomb catch up with him <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, and maybe one day you will mature into a sensible young man. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    and maybe one day your small **** will grow
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  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Locked to stem the flow of retardedness.
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