<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never get tired of people saying the us can have nuclear weapons because we are responsible with them.
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, we never used them did we? Even though there were some nutcases screaming "NUKE EM ALL!!!" we didn't use them, nor did we sell our nukes to 3rd parties (read "terrorists") to do our dirty work for us. We can't be certain that most other countries would be as rational.
And yes NK is pretty harmless on a global scale, but do you think that fact makes SK feel any safer? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Feb 12 2005, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Feb 12 2005, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never get tired of people saying the us can have nuclear weapons because we are responsible with them.
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, we never used them did we? Even though there were some nutcases screaming "NUKE EM ALL!!!" we didn't use them, nor did we sell our nukes to 3rd parties (read "terrorists") to do our dirty work for us. We can't be certain that most other countries would be as rational.
And yes NK is pretty harmless on a global scale, but do you think that fact makes SK feel any safer? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A guy raped a 13 year old girl, but he didn't enjoy it so he is innocent, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 05:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Feb 12 2005, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Feb 12 2005, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never get tired of people saying the us can have nuclear weapons because we are responsible with them.
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, we never used them did we? Even though there were some nutcases screaming "NUKE EM ALL!!!" we didn't use them, nor did we sell our nukes to 3rd parties (read "terrorists") to do our dirty work for us. We can't be certain that most other countries would be as rational.
And yes NK is pretty harmless on a global scale, but do you think that fact makes SK feel any safer? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A guy raped a 13 year old girl, but he didn't enjoy it so he is innocent, eh? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Eh, what? A more proper comparison would be "a guy threatened to rape a 13-year old, but didn't, so he's innocent (but still a jerk)". We rattled our sabers, but unless you're claiming that someone has edited history we never used the weapons we developed. We can't trust that North Korea would be as rational, and we can place sure bets on them selling their weapons to the highest bidder, who may use them for terrorist attacks.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of the story: Stop threating everyone who dosen't want to play your game <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Moral of WWI/II: Without threats, war runs rampant.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of the story: Stop threating everyone who dosen't want to play your game <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey you don't want to play our game, don't build nukes.
Not a very hard concept.
...of course if we would have let Mac Arthur do his job we wouldn't be having this problem at all right now, but that’s another story.
I think too many americans are of the opinion that the cause of the 2nd world war was that by giving in to the rising power (germany) England allowed them a very large advantage in the coming war, this theory seems to have been taken very seriously by the American leaders.
The fact is, attacking anyone who does anything remotely untoward will not help.
Iraq and afganhistan were mostly against badly equipped armies, and iraq is STILL a problem. NK or even Iran will not be as bloodless as these wars.
Having said that, something must be done about them, I expect nuclear weapons WOULD be used by either of these if they had the capacity to hit america from their current location, due to them expecting America NOT to use a nuclear weapon in retailiation (MAD) mainly because of the amount of ''innocent'' civilians.
I mean do any of you seriously think a nuke would be needed?
I personally wish the UK stay out of any conflict, for 2 reasons.
I dont think we should be the USA's lapdog anymore (bloody tony blair) this is not saying I dislike the usa, I just feel Tony Blair sucks up to george bush too much
And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
BTW saying you are the only country who should have nuclear weapons is stupid, big headed, and flawed.
With nuclear weapons around in ANY country there will become a time when one WILL be used.
its like people who think a terrorist attack wont happen due to security, there WILL be more terrorist attacks.
<!--QuoteBegin-Beretta+Feb 12 2005, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beretta @ Feb 12 2005, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think too many americans are of the opinion that the cause of the 2nd world war was that by giving in to the rising power (germany) England allowed them a very large advantage in the coming war, this theory seems to have been taken very seriously by the American leaders. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Britain + France: Don't you dare go into the Rhineland with weapons. Hitler: I'm going to go into that area with meh weapons. Britain + France: .....don't you dare occupy Austria Hitler: I think I'm gonna assimilate Austria. Heck, they even want me to! Britain + France: ......well...uh....leave Chechoslovakia alone..... Hitler: Let's take a bite outta Chechoslovakia now....aww hell, let's take the whole thing And so on. This is what happens when you just let people with aggressive intentions push you around. You obviously are missing the point of American disdain for appeasement if you think that we don't like it because it gave "a very large advantage in the coming war." No, appeasement <u>started</u> the dam war, or at the very least allowed Hitler to grow in power to such an extent that war was inevitable.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The fact is, attacking anyone who does anything remotely untoward will not help.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Neither will sitting on our haunches and waiting for them to get more powerful.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Iraq and afganhistan were mostly against badly equipped armies, and iraq is STILL a problem. NK or even Iran will not be as bloodless as these wars.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It'd be idiotic to invade Iran, there's just no reason for it, and if Bush DOES invade Iran then he will destroy the few remaining threads of credibility he holds onto in this country. North Korea, on the other hand, is a global threat; you don't know where those weapons may end up. Sure most of them would be smuggled into the US for detonation, but to think that Europe is safe from terrorists is foolish.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Having said that, something must be done about them, I expect nuclear weapons WOULD be used by either of these if they had the capacity to hit america from their current location, due to them expecting America NOT to use a nuclear weapon in retailiation (MAD) mainly because of the amount of ''innocent'' civilians.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I mean do any of you seriously think a nuke would be needed?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not if there's a conventional war first.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally wish the UK stay out of any conflict, for 2 reasons.
I dont think we should be the USA's lapdog anymore (bloody tony blair) this is not saying I dislike the usa, I just feel Tony Blair sucks up to george bush too much<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lap dog my ****. Compare how many troops the US has devoted to wars in the middle east and how many GB has, and then tell me how much Tony Blair sucks up to George Bush.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is true, so you'd think you'd want to disarm any rogue nations with nuclear weapons, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW saying you are the only country who should have nuclear weapons is stupid, big headed, and flawed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Only country eh? It seems that the US is NOT the only country with nukes: Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia, and Israel all also have nuclear weapons, and that's quite enough to ensure that no one country launches their arsenal.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With nuclear weapons around in ANY country there will become a time when one WILL be used.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I doubt it. I can hardly imagine a time period more tense and more nuke-trigger-happy than the cold war, and no nukes were launched then.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->its like people who think a terrorist attack wont happen due to security, there WILL be more terrorist attacks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The fact that some may slip through the cracks is no reason to give up on security altogether. It's a pessimistic, fatalistic attitude that offers no hope and no solution other than, "Cover your head, we're in for a storm." <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Only country eh? It seems that the US is NOT the only country with nukes: Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia, and Israel all also have nuclear weapons, and that's quite enough to ensure that no one country launches their arsenal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is a sweet Earth you might say!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area confused-fix.gif <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is true, so you'd think you'd want to disarm any rogue nations with nuclear weapons, eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moot argument. NK can't nuke either USA or UK, they don't have a delivery system.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of the story: Stop threating everyone who dosen't want to play your game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey you don't want to play our game, don't build nukes.
Not a very hard concept.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Deus Ex Machina+Feb 12 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Deus Ex Machina @ Feb 12 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Only country eh? It seems that the US is NOT the only country with nukes: Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia, and Israel all also have nuclear weapons, and that's quite enough to ensure that no one country launches their arsenal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is a sweet Earth you might say! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What, it's a balance of power, just like in the Cold War, except it's much safer because there are 8 nations all holding aces. No one of them could possibly hope to beat the other 7, so everything's balanced. Throw nations like North Korea in the mix, who don't follow the "rules" so to speak, and the balance just collapses.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area confused-fix.gif <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is true, so you'd think you'd want to disarm any rogue nations with nuclear weapons, eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moot argument. NK can't nuke either USA or UK, they don't have a delivery system.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But they're almost sure to sell nuclear arms to groups that can deliver the weapons to US or UK soil. ICBMs are no longer required.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of the story: Stop threating everyone who dosen't want to play your game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey you don't want to play our game, don't build nukes.
Not a very hard concept.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm moving to Switzerland..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ....I'll keep that in mind for when the apocalypse comes. Switzerland will erect their anti-nuclear-shields-of-neutrality, and then they will RULE THE WORLD!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What, it's a balance of power, just like in the Cold War, except it's much safer because there are 8 nations all holding aces. No one of them could possibly hope to beat the other 7, so everything's balanced. Throw nations like North Korea in the mix, who don't follow the "rules" so to speak, and the balance just collapses.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except one of the nations with nukes if france, so you only have to worry about beating 6 of the other nations. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What, it's a balance of power, just like in the Cold War, except it's much safer because there are 8 nations all holding aces. No one of them could possibly hope to beat the other 7, so everything's balanced. Throw nations like North Korea in the mix, who don't follow the "rules" so to speak, and the balance just collapses. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ugh, you missed <a href='http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php' target='_blank'>it</a>.
Balance.. until we get teh lasars to short down teh newks!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But they're almost sure to sell nuclear arms to groups that can deliver the weapons to US or UK soil. ICBMs are no longer required. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? I'd love to see a terrorist group get a bona fide nuclear weapon (I'm talking about something that can take out more than a cul de sac) onto American soil. Dirty bomb? Maybe. Nuke? Doubtful. And if they do.. more power to them. Like I said, I'll be in Switzerland.
Like I said CWAG, you've already pointed out the dangers of the situation yourself, whether we attack or not. I for one doubt that there will be a draft, for the simple reason that I think the entire thing could be done from the air (Israel's done it before, we can too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too bad the war on terror dosen't cover our own government
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and yet most are more concerned about the superbowl than what the people in power really wish to do and have done
<!--QuoteBegin-Nineteen+Feb 13 2005, 12:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nineteen @ Feb 13 2005, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too bad the war on terror dosen't cover our own government
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and yet most are more concerned about the superbowl than what the people in power really wish to do and have done <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's because you might see a boobie on the Superbowl.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Really? I'd love to see a terrorist group get a bona fide nuclear weapon (I'm talking about something that can take out more than a cul de sac) onto American soil. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not like we're checking cargo ships or the US/Mexican border or anything <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But they're almost sure to sell nuclear arms to groups that can deliver the weapons to US or UK soil. ICBMs are no longer required.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ohh boy. You really believe that? Everybody said "OMG nukes rotting in russian Sumarines! Terrorists buy them for a butterbread!"
It did not happen. I will not happen. You know why? because if somebody delivered a nuclear device to the US, the hell will break loose, and if the CIA finds out who sold it, well then you are in trouble.
Nobody is dumb enough to sell a nuclear device to terrorists.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of WWI/II: Without threats, war runs rampant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 12 2005, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 12 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too bad the war on terror dosen't cover our own government
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey CWAG I was just wondering if there ever was a situation in which nationalism was rising that you wouldnt consider 'mindless'
<!--QuoteBegin-Legat+Feb 13 2005, 10:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legat @ Feb 13 2005, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ohh boy. You really believe that? Everybody said "OMG nukes rotting in russian Sumarines! Terrorists buy them for a butterbread!"
It did not happen. I will not happen. You know why? because if somebody delivered a nuclear device to the US, the hell will break loose, and if the CIA finds out who sold it, well then you are in trouble.
Nobody is dumb enough to sell a nuclear device to terrorists.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of WWI/II: Without threats, war runs rampant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont believe that for a second, and I am not going to take a million life plus punt on "NK will probably just keep the nukes, not give them to terrorists, and at worst simply use them on the Japs or South Korean's".
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If that's all you learnt from WWI and WWII, then our education systems are failing bitterly.
I still say that this whole "I haves teh nukes!"-shtick is a last gasp. The North Korean government faces its own imminent collapse, and is making a last, desperate bid for power.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Feb 14 2005, 02:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Feb 14 2005, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still say that this whole "I haves teh nukes!"-shtick is a last gasp. The North Korean government faces its own imminent collapse, and is making a last, desperate bid for power. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Right - so who here wants desperate, powerlusting dictators in failing states to get their hands on nuclear weapons?
<!--QuoteBegin-Legat+Feb 13 2005, 05:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legat @ Feb 13 2005, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Moral of WWI: when a player doesn't appreciate the Balance of Power, things get very nasty very quickly.
Moral of WWII: don't allow nutcases to get to a position where they become a threat.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nineteen+Feb 13 2005, 10:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nineteen @ Feb 13 2005, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So i guess the question is, when they go down who do they take with them? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well Considering they have so much artillary pointed at Soul that they can obliterate it in a matter of minutes; I would say South Korea would be the one they take down with them.
Kim(I cannot spell his name) is clearly insane, anyone stupid enough to **** Japan off has got to be insane. If anyone has the abitlity to develop giant robots its Japan, and if cartoons have tought me anything its that giant robots win wars. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Marine0I+Feb 13 2005, 04:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine0I @ Feb 13 2005, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Right - so who here wants desperate, powerlusting dictators in failing states to get their hands on nuclear weapons?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I certainly don't! Let's do all we can to prevent that. Oh wait too late. Okay, who here wants to back desperate, powerlusting dictators in failing states with nukes on their hands into corners from where the only escape seems to be to use those weapons?
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A hungry army isn't going to fight for the man who’s starving them.
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy.
Indeed north korea as no oil to speak of so going to war is not a profitable venture
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, we never used them did we? Even though there were some nutcases screaming "NUKE EM ALL!!!" we didn't use them, nor did we sell our nukes to 3rd parties (read "terrorists") to do our dirty work for us. We can't be certain that most other countries would be as rational.
And yes NK is pretty harmless on a global scale, but do you think that fact makes SK feel any safer? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, we never used them did we? Even though there were some nutcases screaming "NUKE EM ALL!!!" we didn't use them, nor did we sell our nukes to 3rd parties (read "terrorists") to do our dirty work for us. We can't be certain that most other countries would be as rational.
And yes NK is pretty harmless on a global scale, but do you think that fact makes SK feel any safer? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
A guy raped a 13 year old girl, but he didn't enjoy it so he is innocent, eh?
*COUGH* COLD WAR *COUGH*
And with the US involved war is the only solution, we've made that our own policy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, we never used them did we? Even though there were some nutcases screaming "NUKE EM ALL!!!" we didn't use them, nor did we sell our nukes to 3rd parties (read "terrorists") to do our dirty work for us. We can't be certain that most other countries would be as rational.
And yes NK is pretty harmless on a global scale, but do you think that fact makes SK feel any safer? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A guy raped a 13 year old girl, but he didn't enjoy it so he is innocent, eh? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eh, what? A more proper comparison would be "a guy threatened to rape a 13-year old, but didn't, so he's innocent (but still a jerk)". We rattled our sabers, but unless you're claiming that someone has edited history we never used the weapons we developed. We can't trust that North Korea would be as rational, and we can place sure bets on them selling their weapons to the highest bidder, who may use them for terrorist attacks.
Moral of WWI/II: Without threats, war runs rampant.
Hey you don't want to play our game, don't build nukes.
Not a very hard concept.
...of course if we would have let Mac Arthur do his job we wouldn't be having this problem at all right now, but that’s another story.
The fact is, attacking anyone who does anything remotely untoward will not help.
Iraq and afganhistan were mostly against badly equipped armies, and iraq is STILL a problem. NK or even Iran will not be as bloodless as these wars.
Having said that, something must be done about them, I expect nuclear weapons WOULD be used by either of these if they had the capacity to hit america from their current location, due to them expecting America NOT to use a nuclear weapon in retailiation (MAD) mainly because of the amount of ''innocent'' civilians.
I mean do any of you seriously think a nuke would be needed?
I personally wish the UK stay out of any conflict, for 2 reasons.
I dont think we should be the USA's lapdog anymore (bloody tony blair) this is not saying I dislike the usa, I just feel Tony Blair sucks up to george bush too much
And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
BTW saying you are the only country who should have nuclear weapons is stupid, big headed, and flawed.
With nuclear weapons around in ANY country there will become a time when one WILL be used.
its like people who think a terrorist attack wont happen due to security, there WILL be more terrorist attacks.
Britain + France: Don't you dare go into the Rhineland with weapons.
Hitler: I'm going to go into that area with meh weapons.
Britain + France: .....don't you dare occupy Austria
Hitler: I think I'm gonna assimilate Austria. Heck, they even want me to!
Britain + France: ......well...uh....leave Chechoslovakia alone.....
Hitler: Let's take a bite outta Chechoslovakia now....aww hell, let's take the whole thing
And so on. This is what happens when you just let people with aggressive intentions push you around. You obviously are missing the point of American disdain for appeasement if you think that we don't like it because it gave "a very large advantage in the coming war." No, appeasement <u>started</u> the dam war, or at the very least allowed Hitler to grow in power to such an extent that war was inevitable.
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Neither will sitting on our haunches and waiting for them to get more powerful.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Iraq and afganhistan were mostly against badly equipped armies, and iraq is STILL a problem. NK or even Iran will not be as bloodless as these wars.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It'd be idiotic to invade Iran, there's just no reason for it, and if Bush DOES invade Iran then he will destroy the few remaining threads of credibility he holds onto in this country. North Korea, on the other hand, is a global threat; you don't know where those weapons may end up. Sure most of them would be smuggled into the US for detonation, but to think that Europe is safe from terrorists is foolish.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Having said that, something must be done about them, I expect nuclear weapons WOULD be used by either of these if they had the capacity to hit america from their current location, due to them expecting America NOT to use a nuclear weapon in retailiation (MAD) mainly because of the amount of ''innocent'' civilians.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I mean do any of you seriously think a nuke would be needed?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not if there's a conventional war first.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally wish the UK stay out of any conflict, for 2 reasons.
I dont think we should be the USA's lapdog anymore (bloody tony blair) this is not saying I dislike the usa, I just feel Tony Blair sucks up to george bush too much<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lap dog my ****. Compare how many troops the US has devoted to wars in the middle east and how many GB has, and then tell me how much Tony Blair sucks up to George Bush.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is true, so you'd think you'd want to disarm any rogue nations with nuclear weapons, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW saying you are the only country who should have nuclear weapons is stupid, big headed, and flawed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only country eh? It seems that the US is NOT the only country with nukes: Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia, and Israel all also have nuclear weapons, and that's quite enough to ensure that no one country launches their arsenal.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With nuclear weapons around in ANY country there will become a time when one WILL be used.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt it. I can hardly imagine a time period more tense and more nuke-trigger-happy than the cold war, and no nukes were launched then.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->its like people who think a terrorist attack wont happen due to security, there WILL be more terrorist attacks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The fact that some may slip through the cracks is no reason to give up on security altogether. It's a pessimistic, fatalistic attitude that offers no hope and no solution other than, "Cover your head, we're in for a storm." <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That is a sweet Earth you might say!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area confused-fix.gif <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is true, so you'd think you'd want to disarm any rogue nations with nuclear
weapons, eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moot argument. NK can't nuke either USA or UK, they don't have a delivery system.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of the story: Stop threating everyone who dosen't want to play your game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey you don't want to play our game, don't build nukes.
Not a very hard concept.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm moving to Switzerland..
That is a sweet Earth you might say! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What, it's a balance of power, just like in the Cold War, except it's much safer because there are 8 nations all holding aces. No one of them could possibly hope to beat the other 7, so everything's balanced. Throw nations like North Korea in the mix, who don't follow the "rules" so to speak, and the balance just collapses.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if a nuclear weapon were to hit the UK it would be a LOT more devastating than in the USA, the Uk is a very small DENSLY populated area confused-fix.gif <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is true, so you'd think you'd want to disarm any rogue nations with nuclear
weapons, eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moot argument. NK can't nuke either USA or UK, they don't have a delivery system.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But they're almost sure to sell nuclear arms to groups that can deliver the weapons to US or UK soil. ICBMs are no longer required.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Moral of the story: Stop threating everyone who dosen't want to play your game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey you don't want to play our game, don't build nukes.
Not a very hard concept.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm moving to Switzerland..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
....I'll keep that in mind for when the apocalypse comes. Switzerland will erect their anti-nuclear-shields-of-neutrality, and then they will RULE THE WORLD!
Except one of the nations with nukes if france, so you only have to worry about beating 6 of the other nations. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Ugh, you missed <a href='http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php' target='_blank'>it</a>.
Balance.. until we get teh lasars to short down teh newks!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But they're almost sure to sell nuclear arms to groups that can deliver the weapons to US or UK soil. ICBMs are no longer required.
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Really? I'd love to see a terrorist group get a bona fide nuclear weapon (I'm talking about something that can take out more than a cul de sac) onto American soil. Dirty bomb? Maybe. Nuke? Doubtful. And if they do.. more power to them. Like I said, I'll be in Switzerland.
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh.
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and yet most are more concerned about the superbowl than what the people in power really wish to do and have done
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and yet most are more concerned about the superbowl than what the people in power really wish to do and have done <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's because you might see a boobie on the Superbowl.
It's not like we're checking cargo ships or the US/Mexican border or anything <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ohh boy. You really believe that? Everybody said "OMG nukes rotting in russian Sumarines! Terrorists buy them for a butterbread!"
It did not happen. I will not happen. You know why? because if somebody delivered a nuclear device to the US, the hell will break loose, and if the CIA finds out who sold it, well then you are in trouble.
Nobody is dumb enough to sell a nuclear device to terrorists.
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Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later.
Electronic ID cards...
Pointing the finger at 3 Rogue states...
Refunding draft boards...
Patriot acts...
Rising mindless nationalism...
Sigh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey CWAG I was just wondering if there ever was a situation in which nationalism was rising that you wouldnt consider 'mindless'
It did not happen. I will not happen. You know why? because if somebody delivered a nuclear device to the US, the hell will break loose, and if the CIA finds out who sold it, well then you are in trouble.
Nobody is dumb enough to sell a nuclear device to terrorists.
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Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont believe that for a second, and I am not going to take a million life plus punt on "NK will probably just keep the nukes, not give them to terrorists, and at worst simply use them on the Japs or South Korean's".
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Moral of WW 1/2: mess with the inner politics of a conflict and you will achieve nothing but a continuation of said conflict a few years later.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If that's all you learnt from WWI and WWII, then our education systems are failing bitterly.
Right - so who here wants desperate, powerlusting dictators in failing states to get their hands on nuclear weapons?
Moral of WWI: when a player doesn't appreciate the Balance of Power, things get very nasty very quickly.
Moral of WWII: don't allow nutcases to get to a position where they become a threat.
Well Considering they have so much artillary pointed at Soul that they can obliterate it in a matter of minutes; I would say South Korea would be the one they take down with them.
Kim(I cannot spell his name) is clearly insane, anyone stupid enough to **** Japan off has got to be insane. If anyone has the abitlity to develop giant robots its Japan, and if cartoons have tought me anything its that giant robots win wars. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I certainly don't! Let's do all we can to prevent that. Oh wait too late. Okay, who here wants to back desperate, powerlusting dictators in failing states with nukes on their hands into corners from where the only escape seems to be to use those weapons?