How Fast Can You Move?
theclam
Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
I've been practicing my bhop lately and I'm curious if I am hitting the speeds that I should be hitting.
Here is an easy way to find out how well you can bhop:
Download ns_bhop (link here: <a href='http://pj.oldf.net/pub/maps/naturalselection_maps/ns_bhop.zip' target='_blank'>http://pj.oldf.net/pub/maps/naturalselecti...aps/ns_bhop.zip</a> ; if this goes down, you can probably find it through google).
Start a server with ns_bhop.
Go aliens.
Open up your console and type in "sv_cheats 1" without the quotes.
Then type in "cl_showspeed 1" without the quotes.
Now try bunnyhopping.
BTW, don't use celerity or leap, or any other ability/upgrade.
Skulk standard walking speed: 300 units/s
My highest sustained speed: ~410 units/s
I'm doing this without any scripts and I'm using the default HL movement controls (no mwheel +jump bind), so post your script/bind setup if you're using one.
With a 3jump script bound to my mwheel, I can hit ~500 units/s.
What are you guys hitting?
Here is an easy way to find out how well you can bhop:
Download ns_bhop (link here: <a href='http://pj.oldf.net/pub/maps/naturalselection_maps/ns_bhop.zip' target='_blank'>http://pj.oldf.net/pub/maps/naturalselecti...aps/ns_bhop.zip</a> ; if this goes down, you can probably find it through google).
Start a server with ns_bhop.
Go aliens.
Open up your console and type in "sv_cheats 1" without the quotes.
Then type in "cl_showspeed 1" without the quotes.
Now try bunnyhopping.
BTW, don't use celerity or leap, or any other ability/upgrade.
Skulk standard walking speed: 300 units/s
My highest sustained speed: ~410 units/s
I'm doing this without any scripts and I'm using the default HL movement controls (no mwheel +jump bind), so post your script/bind setup if you're using one.
With a 3jump script bound to my mwheel, I can hit ~500 units/s.
What are you guys hitting?
Comments
And it looks ridiculous when anyone does it ...
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<!--QuoteBegin-2 of Eight+Feb 13 2005, 01:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2 of Eight @ Feb 13 2005, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sorry that this doesn't answer your question, but I think that b-hopping is useless. Yes, it helps you win and whatnot, but try playing without it. More of a challenge, and more fun.
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Telling someone to not bunnyhop is like telling them not to, say, ambush marines or use parasite. Bunnyhopping is as much a part of the game as those.
they wont shoot at you if they dont know u are there
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Telling someone to not bunnyhop is like telling them not to, say, ambush marines or use parasite. Bunnyhopping is as much a part of the game as those. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
B-hopping really is not part of the game; it is a bug in the half life engine, that was left in because so many people didn't wish for it to be taken out.
Let's not turn this into an argument about b-hopping; there is one in general discussions.
Average bhop speed: 600
Max leap speed 1088
with cele <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
with no scipts i average 450 - 510, but i still muck up now and then
with the 3jump script i was keeping it well above 500 after the first few jumps
but yeah i agree that the acceleration is really important, something that im gonna try and work on. ( i mean normal movement/jumping to accerate, not just leeping to start your bunnyhop, being able to accelerate yourself quickly is needed in the early game with just one hive)
And it looks ridiculous when anyone does it ...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Telling someone to not bunnyhop is like telling them not to, say, ambush marines or use parasite. Bunnyhopping is as much a part of the game as those. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
B-hopping really is not part of the game; it is a bug in the half life engine, that was left in because so many people didn't wish for it to be taken out.
Let's not turn this into an argument about b-hopping; there is one in general discussions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
okay 2_of_8 enough arguing with civ, we all know he knows what he is talking about
yes bunnyhopping is a bug, but flayra [creator of the game and owner of all the rights] made a concious choice to make it part of the aliens game
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1739&hl=bunny&view=findpost&p=21730' target='_blank'>omj bhop iz Xploit K?!!</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81373&st=135#entry1252682' target='_blank'>ban those lamers real quick !</a>
P.S.: bhop is cool.
i use a 3jump script bound to mousewheel, or alternatively just +jump.
<a href='http://koti.mbnet.fi/tomekki/bhop.dem' target='_blank'>http://koti.mbnet.fi/tomekki/bhop.dem</a>
i can do it backwards just as good as i can going forwards, its the exact same movements, only, mm, you cant see were your goin <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
id say it must look pretty damn weird seeing a skulk bunnyhopping backwards O_o
pro tbh
i can do it backwards just as good as i can going forwards, its the exact same movements, only, mm, you cant see were your goin <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
id say it must look pretty damn weird seeing a skulk bunnyhopping backwards O_o <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i can but i usually dont do it much, i do sometimes as a gorge to mess around.
i usually maintain a 500 - 510 speed while bhopping.
out of curiosity how do you guys start your bhop?
i do the thing where you look almost behind you and quickly bring your mouse in the desired direction of motion.
that usually gets a good start to a bhop for me.
I start with a 30-45 degree glide-jump that brings me to 400-430 speed. I can usually get to 500 speed in 2-3 jumps.
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You can choose not to use bunnyhopping but do not get upset if people who master it put more people in the spawn queue than people who don't.
serious now, never checked.. I should.
Anywayz, enable "developer 2"
then "condebug 1"
then also set the almight "cl_showspeed 1" and it shoudl all be logged, no need to watch it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And bhopping is not useless because it increases your speed so you can reach places on the map faster. In some cases, it makes you difficult to hit since you speed up towards a marine who might not have enough time to react.
i can do it backwards just as good as i can going forwards, its the exact same movements, only, mm, you cant see were your goin <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
id say it must look pretty damn weird seeing a skulk bunnyhopping backwards O_o <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i can but i usually dont do it much, i do sometimes as a gorge to mess around.
i usually maintain a 500 - 510 speed while bhopping.
out of curiosity how do you guys start your bhop?
i do the thing where you look almost behind you and quickly bring your mouse in the desired direction of motion.
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a few ways
1) look at the ground at a 30-45 degree angle and run, you'll pick up a speed of ~400-430 ground units. At that point, you should start your bhop
2) do a wiggle jump. Basically you jump in the air and wiggle your mouse back and forth to exploit the hl physics engine and accelerate.
3) look to your right, then down, and left to make a half circle and strafe jump (i've only seen cloud king do it). You pick up 450 ground units almost instantly this way. (I can't do it D:)
4) strafe jump in the begining.
5) ask teh scriptz0rs from any clan in CAL that bh0ps.
On a perfect computer though, civ's right.
And a tip for people wanting to know how to start a Bhop quickly who don't want to lose their line of vision, even if it is the most effective way to pick up a bhop- try wall-strafing, it's got the same effect.
Interesting.
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noooo
wall strafing's max speed is a lot slower than bhopping.
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I do this, only i start to my left instead. Think of it this way.
I look to my left and down, while holding my right strafe key and my forward key, and at this time i press my crouch key.
This increases your speed cause your moving on 2 axis (front and right) and also cause you are looking down at the floor which increases your speed. By crouching you also get your sticky feet off the floor.
At this stage you are in the same position as you are every time your bunny hop touches the ground, and your ground speed is about 450ish. Which is a huge increase from the base speed which is like 290.
Then you fling your mouse forward/right into your jump, and if you land the bunny hops you can reach top speed of 500-520 in 2 or 3 jumps.
Its all one quick move that takes a split second to do.
I get something around 400 (with luck) and I would like to have a demo of someone who can get above 450 or something like that. You dont need to have the speed thing on. The demo should be for 3.0B5 because I downloaded one and it didnt work.
I wanna see what I'm doin wrong and learn from it.
Thank you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Gorge, 340 floor, 420 air.
Fade, 440 floor,490 in air, 719 blink.
Onos 420 floor, 480 in air, 590 charge floor speed
Now celerity.
Skulk 690 on floor, 800 in air, 1094 in leap
Fade, 560 on floor, 700 in air! damn max speed blink 944
Gorge 440 floor, 500 in air
Onos, 490 on floor, 550 in air, 890 charge on floor.
Hope this gives you a general idea but I am extremely good at bhopping so maybe not everyone will get those numbers.
Oh and yes, I do bhop when onos and fade. Onos speed is 240 -315 walking so hopping helps a great deal. Has for fade, when at zero hive, bhop is the only thing that can save you.
edit sorry can't send demos...
Ill add marine just for quicks
206 walk base speed, 310 strafing on wall, 286 wiggle walking script, 245 wiggle no script, 290 uphill hopping.
Oh and, every equipment possible downgrades speed of marines especially jp.
From lowest to highest downgrade.
Pistol
Welder
Lmg
Mines
Shot
Hmg
GL
Max Ammo
Hmg
Shot
GL
Low ammo
Shot
Hmg
GL
And bhopping backwards as gorge is a little easier, and I basically know all the contours of the maps so I can guess where to turn left or right ect.
besides if you running away, going forward is your best chance in any case