A Proposal For Discussion Forum Ettiquette
moultano
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Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<div class="IPBDescription">eliminate the sarcasm</div> I've noticed in the last few months that the discussion forum has become a lot more caustic, to the detriment of actual informed debate. The culprit to me seems to be people's consistent use of antagonistic sarcasm. I realize its very fun to whip out a snide remark and deftly (in your mind) dismiss someone's argument, and I've been guilty of it myself, but I think we would get a lot further in our debates if we made a conscious attempt to avoid it.
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I think the Discussion Forum rules have gone lax since the forums went down and this lack of adminage has certainly, IMO, brought the quality of discussion down.
When you have a fire and brimstone admin like Nem0 debating in the same topic as you are you tend to keep yourself in line and make your arguments as coherent as possible <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But I don't expect him to come in here and debate with us, or any other admin, if they don't have the time, I find myself coming here much less too due to the dreadful events beyond my control in the real world.
I don't think it’s asking too much for the admins to come in here and "check up" on us...keep us in line every so often though. We all know there’s a few topics in here now that would have gotten locked back in the day.
Oh man..
That is classic coming from you <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
that and several more mods would help, as this sort of place needs a constant presence.
I can't think of any situations in a serious discussion in which you would need to be sarcastic unless the intent is to belittle someone involved.
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while thats very true.... sometimes the best ideas come out of the motavation of spiting others... and to foster such a enviroment... personal attacks and insults should be fair game
I can't think of any situations in a serious discussion in which you would need to be sarcastic unless the intent is to belittle someone involved. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
while thats very true.... sometimes the best ideas come out of the motavation of spiting others... and to foster such a enviroment... personal attacks and insults should be fair game <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You probably say that because thats really all the ammunition you have here. IE: The homosexuality thread.
Oh man..
That is classic coming from you <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You lose.
We.Are.Proxy.You.Will.Be.Annihilated.Resistance.Is.Futile.... Gotta love them Proxy Mines (ChaosUT 2:Evolution)
I agree with Communist. Having the rules stircly enforced is just a restraint on the freedom of our arguments. Have a few rules, like the common sense ones, is ideal, and should be enforce. But nothing too heavy on freedom of speech. Other than the standard forum rules.
I second that disagreedment/nay
So long as its not recurrent very harsh or insulting im all for a good spot of sarcasm
Sarcasm 4 Teh Win <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We.Are.Proxy.You.Will.Be.Annihilated.Resistance.Is.Futile.... Gotta love them Proxy Mines (ChaosUT 2:Evolution)
I agree with Communist. Having the rules stircly enforced is just a restraint on the freedom of our arguments. Have a few rules, like the common sense ones, is ideal, and should be enforce. But nothing too heavy on freedom of speech. Other than the standard forum rules.
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as much as Im for free speech, this is just a message board and what does sarcasm add to a discussion but "im smarter and i pwned joo with my witty humor". its not like they are enforcing it with an iron fist, its a suggestion and you can go be as sarcastic as you want, hell you can even do it in this very thread, unless you **** off a mod then your screwed i guess
So long as its not recurrent very harsh or insulting im all for a good spot of sarcasm
Sarcasm 4 Teh Win <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, that's pretty true. I CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT MY AWESOME BRITISH HUMOUR.
Yes I did say about having fewer rules, but the lead on was that fewer rules tend to give more freedom, both of speech, and of actions.
Even then, some people are just plain sarcastic. Like, me with the Red Dwarf reference above, but all of us are able to show some kind of restraint when posting in a serious discussion forum, and being compassionate people, we can adjust our responses and opinions to better suit the particular thread. I'll happily dole out six of the best ****-slaps going, but will easily adjust my reply to suit this discussion sub.
QUOTE (moultano @ Feb 20 2005, 02:33 AM)
I think if we could agree to this as a guideline for our behavior we wouldn't need more moderators. It would be clear whether someone is violating the rule just upon inspection. We wouldn't need abstract definitions of what is too antagonistic.
I can't think of any situations in a serious discussion in which you would need to be sarcastic unless the intent is to belittle someone involved.
while thats very true.... sometimes the best ideas come out of the motavation of spiting others... and to foster such a enviroment... personal attacks and insults should be fair game
You probably say that because thats really all the ammunition you have here. IE: The homosexuality thread.
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or the infamous monkey man reference in the latest darwin thread... I really wonder why he has not been at least warned for this.
Besidesm there are forum rules stickied up ahead. Read them, they make a lot of sense. Especially this one has been handled a bit lax in the recent past IMHO:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Blanket labelling of another opinion as "stupid", "naive", "short sighted", "racist", "communist", "socialist", "liberal", "conservative", or what have you is often so close to flaming that it takes experts to find a difference. If you wish to express your personal opinion about another persons notion, try to stay away from valuing terms, and try to be as rational as humanly possible - you're treading on thin ice, and insulting the other side by calling it what it is not can't be in your interest.
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I am really sick of being called a communist or worse for having a different opinion than certain "contributors" of these boards ...
I try to be civil. but people start throwing low blows I can't just sit there and take it.
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You try to be civil, yeah... but discuss subjects in such a way that you're basicly saying "Hey. Any people who might be **** on the boards? You're evil and as bad as people who rape children." in a nice way. Being civil comes into what you actually talk about rather than simply how you put it across.
I try to be civil. but people start throwing low blows I can't just sit there and take it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You try to be civil, yeah... but discuss subjects in such a way that you're basicly saying "Hey. Any people who might be **** on the boards? You're evil and as bad as people who rape children." in a nice way. Being civil comes into what you actually talk about rather than simply how you put it across. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
see once again. I'm remaining calm and in control. but you keep trying to stir up contention. just take it nice and easy, I'd recomend you get into yoga or something.
I'm not trying to stir up contention. I'm pointing out where you're wrong (which, believe it or not, is possible), which you do all the time to others.
/me throws egg at Moultano