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Manta · February 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">I hope this guy is joking.</div> Okay, so I was thinking about seeing Constantine this weekend, so I went to IMDb to see what people thought about it. There was a big thread on the theology of it, and one person's signature had a link to his site. So, I clicked it out of curiosity. The guy appears to be a (Chief) officer in Wisconson. On the left side menu, there was a link: "Racial profiling". Curious again, I clicked.

<a href='http://www.geocities.com/evanardhughes/profiling.html' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/evanardhughes/profiling.html</a>

See for yourself. I'm not sure if it's satire or serious.

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

Oh goody, just what I needed, another reason to hate my state. (Seriously, come visit my town, 60 miles north of the capital, its like going back in time 30 years)

panda_de_malheureux · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Definition: the consideration of race when developing a profile of suspected criminals</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Then he has statistics to back up his actions. He's not just going around lynching people and saying 'yee haw! that's how we teach our slaves not to disobey! ' (from what I read). Am I missing something?

Manta · February 2005

Okay, you may have a point in that he has statistics, but I'm really more irked about the fact that he is saying that he is "proud of it". Also, he is evidently an official (judging by the caption under his picture) where he lives and that just seems pretty damn unfair to judge people just because of the actions of other people of the same race.

Narfwak · February 2005

I would bet my life that those statistics are completely fabricated or at least highly altered in order to justify that department's official policy of racial profiling.

CommunistWithAGun · February 2005

Oh, the statistics are true, but then look at the fact that 70% of the law enforcement in wisconsin are white guys with little exposure to anyone who isn't white (Im speaking for the areas that aren't Milwaukee, Madison, Etc)

Manta · February 2005

An official policy? He says the site isn't the department's, but I wouldn't doubt it, either, if he's the Chief. Anyway, isn't that illegal? I thought so, but I'm no lawyer.

Also, this guy (Evenard Hughes) made a bunch of posts in the discussion thread on IMDb calling the movie "satanic" and said that it should have been banned. He went on to tell anyone that disagreed with him that they would go to hell.

Epidemic · February 2005

Uh, these statistics (albeit, <b>maybe</b> true) serves no further purpose to strenghten racism.

MrRadicalEd · February 2005

Racial profiling doesn't have to be called racism. It's only racism if the sole purpose of profiling was out of spite or malicious and detrimental intentions.

It's an efficient form of problem solving in that you have data that suggest you have something going wrong in an area and you narrow your search there.

We don't live in a perfect world though, and I'm well aware of the pitfalls in our society surrounding the matter.

..and unlike prejudice, racial profiling is <i>rational</i> suspicion involked from crime and not hatred, but that is not to say there is no incidents of prejudicial hate with racial profiling.

BaconTheory · February 2005

People make things up...I bet that none of that is true and he really is joking.

Manta · February 2005

MrRadicalEd brings up a good point, but once again, I have to point out that he said, "Yes, we do racial profiling in this town and are proud of it." He states right after that, "Most colored people are proud, law-abiding Americans, but there is a substantial number that are not, and we will not accept their destructive behavior." I am not sure of his own convictions on this matter, prejudicial or not, but I find the fact that he is proud of it somewhat troubling.

As to the seriousness of the site, that's something I'm still wondering about. It seems like it could be satire, yet it seems like he's sincere.

MrRadicalEd · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Manta @ Feb 19 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> MrRadicalEd brings up a good point, but once again, I have to point out that he said, "Yes, we do racial profiling in this town and are proud of it." He states right after that, "Most colored people are proud, law-abiding Americans, but there is a substantial number that are not, and we will not accept their destructive behavior." I am not sure of his own convictions on this matter, prejudicial or not, but I find the fact that he is proud of it somewhat troubling.

As to the seriousness of the site, that's something I'm still wondering about. It seems like it could be satire, yet it seems like he's sincere.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yeah that part made me question this persons' actual intent on the matter. I wouldn't hesitate to wager that those comments were sencere.

UltimaGecko · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 19 2005, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh goody, just what I needed, another reason to hate my state. (Seriously, come visit my town, 60 miles north of the capital, its like going back in time 30 years)  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Green Bay is probably the exception; a town (...?) of over 100,000 that still rarely has murders or severe crimes. Murders are still a big new report, because they're still rare (while it' kind of a daily round-up in Milwaukee, because there's probably a few per week). Plus, I've never heard of any racial-specifc crimes going on either.

There were a total of 3 blacks in a school of 2000, maybe 300 hmong and 200 hispanic (who were generally the worst, a large number of them split into 'gang's and occasionally had mild fist fights in the halls; and don't try to pin the racisim on me either, because I had 2 hispanic pals and 1 friend <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> ). The most school-wide threatening event was that someone mistook a box of stop watches for a bomb..so we got out 30 minutes early (...because the FedEx man is after us!).

Swiftspear · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrRadicalEd @ Feb 19 2005, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Racial profiling doesn't have to be called racism. It's only racism if the sole purpose of profiling was out of spite or malicious and detrimental intentions.

It's an efficient form of problem solving in that you have data that suggest you have something going wrong in an area and you narrow your search there.

We don't live in a perfect world though, and I'm well aware of the pitfalls in our society surrounding the matter.

..and unlike prejudice, racial profiling is <i>rational</i> suspicion involked from crime and not hatred, but that is not to say there is no incidents of prejudicial hate with racial profiling.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Say something along the lines of "he is more predisposed to crime because he grew up in a broken home in the ghetto" fine, I can accept that. Say something along the lines of "he is more predisposed to crime because he is black" and as far as I am concerned you are taking the issue WAY to far.

Racial profiling is never something to be proud of. Trends relating race to criminal beheivior have been all but definitively proven unrelated. They exist because of the conditions that people of non caucasion origin are living in and are brought up in. You turn it around and have all the white people living in the ghettos full of drug dealers, and all the black people living in the suburbs and your trends flip compleatly.

docchimpy · February 2005

Ontopic: Racial profiling is bad.

Offtopic: I checked out the IMDB board, looking for the thread you were talking about. Far funnier than the guy who said the film is satanic and should be banned is the guy saying

"OLO RELIGION IS EVIL!!!! RUINED WORLD!!!ALL CHRISTIANS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE SUFFERING IN THE WORLD!!!!! I ROX0rZ BECUZ I HAEV SEEN THE TRUTH! THEAR ISS NO GOED!!!!!!!!!"

To quote the Daily Show, "Atheism-the religion dedicated to worhipping one's own inflated ego."

Just goes to show you that the problem isn't religion, race, or anything like that. It's all those people taking things too seriously. Loosen up, and the world would be a better place.

MrRadicalEd · February 2005

The concept of racial profiling isn't exactly, "he is more predisposed to crime because he is <insert race>"

When a child gets abducted and the local authorities bring in the FBI, there is a criminal profiler involved, and in most child abductions it's done by a white male that the child knew. Let's not even look at child adbuctions. A criminal profiler's job is to take statistical information based on the crime and to come up classification or some kind of identity of the purpatraor.

.. and for another example the hijackers that were involved with 9/11. Now instead of using more resources screening everyone at the airports one would assume that the more efficient route would be to take what you know about the suspects and utilize that data to refine your screening processes. It's not nessessarily the whole cause of profiling, but race is relative information to go by.

..and it's not a perfect system by any means I understand that though.

Marik_Steele · February 2005

<span style='color:orange'>*Phased*</span> from off-topic to its arguably more serious or mature cousin, Discussions.

Manta · February 2005

Again, MrRadicalEd has a point about efficiency and realism, but I wouldn't say it's something to be proud of, as I see that system as inherently unfair.

Oh, and the reason the title was "Fanatic" was his post in the Constantine thread on IMDb.

Nineteen · February 2005

Racial profiling is a problm when black people start gettin harrassed because they are considered dangerous and possibly criminal because they are black.
This isn't a new problem and unfortunatly in some police and other government communities it is treated as an unrwitten rule.

/edit I don't mean just black people, I mean people getting judged on the basis of their skin color whatever that may be

Scythe · February 2005

You're missing the entire point here, when Lance Constable John Smith sees a white teenager standing outside a shop, he assumes he's waiting for his mum, or some other harmless act. But if he sees a black person, someone different from himself, he's going to be more wary and more likely to pick up on some stupid little thing. This would explain the inflated statistics, irrationality, ignorance and possibly even racism and conscious bigotry.

My solution? Each police station has at least one member of the "minority" group on the roster. Preferably the ratio of officer's race would match that of the local community's race ratio. This would mean the white officers get to know some people of the other race and are less likely to make a stupid white male decision out in the field.

--Scythe--

kill4thrills · February 2005

well while racial profiling is a distrubing topic, it does have some merits, as long as it is based purely on statistical probabilities (probably what is being used by many law enforcement agencies) and not hatred (used by dumbarses)

for example, if you were on the lookout for islamic militants you would be more wary of arabic looking persons than asians. it's just there is probably many more times the likelyhood of the arabic person being a muslim fundamentalist than say, a japanese person

SkulkBait · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Feb 20 2005, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You're missing the entire point here, when Lance Constable John Smith sees a white teenager standing outside a shop, he assumes he's waiting for his mum, or some other harmless act. But if he sees a black person, someone different from himself, he's going to be more wary and more likely to pick up on some stupid little thing.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
The thing with predudice, though, is that it transcends race boundries. So even if the shop owner were black he'd still be more likely to assume the black person outside his shop is going to do something criminal.

Marine0I · February 2005

I struggle with this idea. To be suspicious of a person merely because of their colour doesnt sound good at all. However, it can be frequently shown correct. For example, in Australia, Aboriginal's constitute less than 2% of the population, but have a way larger percentage of the prison population. When they move into a new area, for example towards the shoreline during summer, then the crime rate leaps. It isnt a coincidence. To suspect the Aboriginal population of causing the majority of crime in those cases isnt racism, its common sense. To try and claim that its bias and statistic skewing is to ignore the facts in a desperation to appear fair.

Basically - what Mr RadicalEd said. It has its grounds in reality, and can be used in serious policework. If it is a detriment to police work, or if it simply becomes unjustified "the butler did it", then it should be cut. To immediately assume "omg this is bad I am so ashamed to come from that state" is a mistake.

Thansal · February 2005

*chuckle*

I love knee jerk reactions (both right and left wing)

Yah know what?
those stats are probably true.

What does this prove?

That blacks are more likely to be poor, and that asians are slightly more likely then whites <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

hehe.

Oh, and that is actualy what studies show, minorities are mroe likely to be poor, and the poor are more likely to commit crimes <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

What is the soloution to this?

Help minoreties get better jobs/educations.

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