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Surge · February 2005

Oooh chat bubbles! I was hoping for some easier way of seeing who was saying what. I loved CoH's comic style. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

EDIT: and in all fairness, Shamans are nothing compared to Paladins. A guy in our guild was constantly annoyed because he couldn't do much in a party besides use Mark of the Wild. He and I were the Tauren buddies in the guild, of course. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

EDIT 2: He was about level 25.

Haze · February 2005

Awww, its only on parry, dodges, blocks, etc.. why didnt they make it so we just gain rage every attack, miss or not? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

cshank4 · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Feb 26 2005, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Awww, its only on parry, dodges, blocks, etc.. why didnt they make it so we just gain rage every attack, miss or not? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
It'd be neat if, you gained MORE rage for missing... it'd make sense too.

Oh well. Mage > All Classes

Epidemic · February 2005

Paladins are balanced now, I feel.

Anyway, Shamans do have it easy, it was the quickest ride to lvl 22 I ever had, the rockbiter buff is insane with a big staff, and for instances you could also weild a shield to make up for the lack of mail armor <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Marine0I · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 27 2005, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You obviously haven't seen the videos where a level 60 warrior and a level 60 paladin duke it out, and the paladin wins. Except the paladin isn't using a weapon, just a shield and his fist. It's pretty weird to watch. Whenever the warrior gets the paladin's health down, he throws up a shield and heals himself. Then he doddles around until his mana has recharged enough to do it again, all the while punching the warrior.

The most a warrior can do to make you stay and play is stun you for just as long as a paladin or hope hamstring works. That's assuming you don't have some kind of defensive skill, like the paladin does. The paladin also has two seperate defensive skills that are on seperate cooldowns (like 5 minutes or something) while the warrior's 3 fallback skills are all on the same 30 minute timer. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Right. Was that video made within the last week or so? Because if it wasnt, then the paladin was using Seal of the Crusader, his uber seal that made him unbalanced. Second - its a warrior. Warriors. Suck. Hard. Everyone knows that. There is no way a warrior can hope to ever win a fight against a healer, unless extreme incompetence on the healers part. That doesnt demonstrate the unbalanced nature of the paladin, it demonstrates the unbalanced nature of the warrior.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You've obviously never played a shaman.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Typical. Shaman users never attempt to engage your argument, or make a counterargument - because the numbers are kinda hard to argue with. I am no experienced shaman user, only got to lvl 20 before I got sick of Horde, and the laggy nature of my server.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> apparntly youve never used seal of command

i can deal out 1800+ damage tbh

lets just say the only way i can kill other pallies and shammies is using seal of command.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Strange, you leave out a few bits of information here... First, to get that 1800+ damage, you'd have to get SoC effect to happen, which only activates irregularly, and then you need it in combination with a critical hit, and you need to be using a 2h weapon to deal that kinda pain. Critical hits typically double your normal damage, so you'd have to be using a 2h weapon that deals out a standard 450 damage per swing. That is a very, very nice weapon. I'm only lvl 54, maybe there is a better 2h sword or mace I just havent found, but none of my weapons, enchanted or no, can deal that kinda damage, unless engaging mobs 40 levels below me

So with SoC on, you have a chance of getting a critical hit, and you have a chance that the SoC effect will activate itself. If you want to argue the pure numbers, I can demonstrate easily that the paladin, since the last patch, now has the lowest damage dealing rate in the game, SoC or not.

kuperaye · February 2005

Warblade of Caer Darrow and SoC seems to proc often for me to be honest, it also seems to crit a lot also. seeing how i have a crit rate around 18-20 percent thats high for a palamadin

Dubbilex · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Typical. Shaman users never attempt to engage your argument, or make a counterargument - because the numbers are kinda hard to argue with. I am no experienced shaman user, only got to lvl 20 before I got sick of Horde, and the laggy nature of my server.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Interesting that you would consider all shamans under one blanket mentality. Second, interesting because I am not a shaman and have never played as one.

No, shamans are not nearly as good as you say. Druids can out-heal shamans, mages can out-nuke shamans, warriors can out-tank shamans, rogues can out-damage shamans. A shaman heal is not nearly so powerful as a heal from any other healing class in the game. Shamans are good for the first 15 levels, where they can do a little bit of everything well enough to live easily. However shamans are clearly not a prime choice for high-end instance grouping, pvp, et cetera simply because there are better candidates to use in essentially every respect.

Of course, I only speak from experience of playing consistently with a friend who is a shaman.

sporty · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 26 2005, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You obviously haven't seen the videos where a level 60 warrior and a level 60 paladin duke it out, and the paladin wins. Except the paladin isn't using a weapon, just a shield and his fist. It's pretty weird to watch. Whenever the warrior gets the paladin's health down, he throws up a shield and heals himself. Then he doddles around until his mana has recharged enough to do it again, all the while punching the warrior.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
do you still have a link to that video? i need to demoralise my warrior playing friend <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

people that call paladins balanced have likely not played against one, they are straight out impossible to kill if you try to solo one in your level range <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

InSaInE · February 2005

Umm forgive me for asking but is WoW really worth it? I mean does it get boring, because I am thinking about getting it except im not entirely sure if ill be wasting my money etc.....

Thansal · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (InSaInE @ Feb 26 2005, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Umm forgive me for asking but is WoW really worth it? I mean does it get boring, because I am thinking about getting it except im not entirely sure if ill be wasting my money etc.....  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Do you get bored with other MMOs?

if so then it probably will.

Xyth · February 2005

My main is a hunter, lvl 53 at time of posting this. I also leveled a paladin to level 21 on another server, and was appaled at how boring it was. It reminded me of playing a game with cheats on. Honestly, it was the easiest time I've ever had with any character, aside from shaman. Shaman was possibly equally easy to play with, really I never got close to dieing at all. Though I must say, shaman was more fun, just because there were more strategies I could do. Yet, with my pally it went: Run hit hit hit shield heal hit hit hit hit
repeat
Paladin and Shammy are both overpowered when it comes to fighting mobs imo. Pvp though, they both fall equally easy.

InSaInE · February 2005

I dont really get bored with other rpgs although i never have really played one online. So yeah i dont really know what to expect.

Trevelyan · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xyth @ Feb 26 2005, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My main is a hunter, lvl 53 at time of posting this. I also leveled a paladin to level 21 on another server, and was appaled at how boring it was. It reminded me of playing a game with cheats on. Honestly, it was the easiest time I've ever had with any character, aside from shaman. Shaman was possibly equally easy to play with, really I never got close to dieing at all. Though I must say, shaman was more fun, just because there were more strategies I could do. Yet, with my pally it went: Run hit hit hit shield heal hit hit hit hit
repeat
Paladin and Shammy are both overpowered when it comes to fighting mobs imo. Pvp though, they both fall equally easy.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I DARE you to get to 60 with that pally... especially now with the Seal of Crusader fix (which only really impacted soloing speed of paladins).

I hate people who level a pally to 20-30 and just stop... claiming their paladin is god and then attempt to convince everyone on the forums it is true. I've never seen anyone get to 40+ where:

Mobs have more health (enjoy autoattacking for 50+ seconds when other classes can mow equal leveled mobs under 20 seconds)

You don't do as much damage (DPS classes take the lead and the difference gets bigger and bigger post lvl 40)

<a href='http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=4190' target='_blank'>You can no longer use the weapon that easily outclasses any other weapon for 10+ levels</a>

Anyone who has real knowledge of the game will realise a paladin's true use belongs in groups... being the only healer in the game who isn't instantly targeted in PvP.

Monkfish · February 2005

I got some super secret inside information about a new monster that's being put in:

<img src='http://www.ahavell.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/X_Ogreman.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

kuperaye · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Feb 28 2005, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xyth @ Feb 26 2005, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My main is a hunter, lvl 53 at time of posting this. I also leveled a paladin to level 21 on another server, and was appaled at how boring it was. It reminded me of playing a game with cheats on. Honestly, it was the easiest time I've ever had with any character, aside from shaman. Shaman was possibly equally easy to play with, really I never got close to dieing at all. Though I must say, shaman was more fun, just because there were more strategies I could do. Yet, with my pally it went: Run hit hit hit shield heal hit hit hit hit
repeat
Paladin and Shammy are both overpowered when it comes to fighting mobs imo. Pvp though, they both fall equally easy. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I DARE you to get to 60 with that pally... especially now with the Seal of Crusader fix (which only really impacted soloing speed of paladins).

I hate people who level a pally to 20-30 and just stop... claiming their paladin is god and then attempt to convince everyone on the forums it is true. I've never seen anyone get to 40+ where:

Mobs have more health (enjoy autoattacking for 50+ seconds when other classes can mow equal leveled mobs under 20 seconds)

You don't do as much damage (DPS classes take the lead and the difference gets bigger and bigger post lvl 40)

<a href='http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=4190' target='_blank'>You can no longer use the weapon that easily outclasses any other weapon for 10+ levels</a>

Anyone who has real knowledge of the game will realise a paladin's true use belongs in groups... being the only healer in the game who isn't instantly targeted in PvP.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
hrmm apparntly i soloed JUST fine i didnt use SOC til lvl 55. Yea i also have FUN not dieing in PVE either too like you know when rogues get 3 mobs on them in combat they are almost screwed. While i can tank 3-4 mobs of 2 lvls below me to my lvl

ever thought about that? No down time either like mages have who can nuke out of the poop

Quaunaut · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kuperaye @ Feb 28 2005, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Feb 28 2005, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xyth @ Feb 26 2005, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My main is a hunter, lvl 53 at time of posting this. I also leveled a paladin to level 21 on another server, and was appaled at how boring it was. It reminded me of playing a game with cheats on. Honestly, it was the easiest time I've ever had with any character, aside from shaman. Shaman was possibly equally easy to play with, really I never got close to dieing at all. Though I must say, shaman was more fun, just because there were more strategies I could do. Yet, with my pally it went: Run hit hit hit shield heal hit hit hit hit
repeat
Paladin and Shammy are both overpowered when it comes to fighting mobs imo. Pvp though, they both fall equally easy. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I DARE you to get to 60 with that pally... especially now with the Seal of Crusader fix (which only really impacted soloing speed of paladins).

I hate people who level a pally to 20-30 and just stop... claiming their paladin is god and then attempt to convince everyone on the forums it is true. I've never seen anyone get to 40+ where:

Mobs have more health (enjoy autoattacking for 50+ seconds when other classes can mow equal leveled mobs under 20 seconds)

You don't do as much damage (DPS classes take the lead and the difference gets bigger and bigger post lvl 40)

<a href='http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=4190' target='_blank'>You can no longer use the weapon that easily outclasses any other weapon for 10+ levels</a>

Anyone who has real knowledge of the game will realise a paladin's true use belongs in groups... being the only healer in the game who isn't instantly targeted in PvP. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
hrmm apparntly i soloed JUST fine i didnt use SOC til lvl 55. Yea i also have FUN not dieing in PVE either too like you know when rogues get 3 mobs on them in combat they are almost screwed. While i can tank 3-4 mobs of 2 lvls below me to my lvl

ever thought about that? No down time either like mages have who can nuke out of the poop  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I routinely take on 3-4 targets as a Rogue. I <3 Blade Flurry(basically takes 2 enemies at the same time- so in the end, its just a matter of "How high is your evasion rate?").

Geminosity · February 2005

I don't think palys are overpowered but they sure as heck are boring. They're 'easy' in the sense they have very little to do in a fight.

After the seal-judge-seal and making sure your blessings are all in place the only thing left to really worry about is healing/invulshielding :/

I'd rather take more active combatants like rogues who barely use auto-attack (at least the way I play) or combat casters who have to juggle cast times and mana usage ^^

Geminosity · March 2005

WIIIIIISE FWOM YOUW GWAAAAVEEEE!!!

<a href='http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patch-05-03-04.html' target='_blank'>http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/...h-05-03-04.html</a>

The patch cometh!!! XD

Tyrain · March 2005

Shaman
Reincarnation - No longer causes resurrection sickness.

Best change evar!

But I think they'll change it back... or nerf it a little. The way it will be it's just too good... darn have to respec my shaman now.

eediot · March 2005

This patch is.. well, while it's not an amazing new "wow new content" thing that affects me, it is pretty cool in that it appears to be fixing a whole bunch of problems and balancing some more.

What I'd love is if they could add in a couple quests every patch they do.. just chuck a few in. Extra content with each bug fix.. yay!

I vsed a pally my level a while back, after the "balance" patch.. I was on medium health with no minion [warlock] when he attacked, and I managed to fend him off for a while, but there was absolutely no way I could kill him. I got close a couple times, but self-heal + whatever goddamn thing it is that lets him resist curses/cure himself is incredibly annoying. I'd like to vs one 1 on 1 with both of us fully equipped.. I wonder if I'd have the damage capability to take him on.

Edit: NS != SA

Geminosity · March 2005

Just curious but what pet were you using? I sometimes wonder how much fun you could have with the felhunter's buff-eating ability (goodbye seals and blessings) and counterspell (healing? oh no you don't!) against a paladin :3

Testament · March 2005

Blade Flurry...combat rogue. Quaunat fails.

BobTheJanitor · March 2005

Keekles for the mage buff. Mana shield 4 lyfe + mana regen = me finally owning those bloody rogues in PvP. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

SLizer · March 2005

I dont own WoW but I saw a great shaman pvp video while ago. He was level 60 and owned every1 with entangle and Moonfire(?)

TychoCelchuuu · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SLizer @ Mar 8 2005, 06:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I dont own WoW but I saw a great shaman pvp video while ago. He was level 60 and owned every1 with entangle and Moonfire(?)  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yes, imagine how great that makes warriors feel. Have you seen the video where the level 60 warrior takes on a level 60 paladin and loses, except the paladin wasn't using a weapon? That one's classic.

I should have been a paladin.

SLizer · March 2005

No! lemme see lemme see!

I that clip the shaman completely owned level 60 taurus. He was just entangled for 1minu while bashed with loads of spells mostly that moonfire or what the heck it is?

Thansal · March 2005

moonfire = instant cast white pillar that deals inital dmg + a DoT

RustySpoon · March 2005

Moonfire = Druid <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Just clearing that up...

Thansal · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RustySpoon @ Mar 8 2005, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Moonfire = Druid <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Just clearing that up...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
err, yah

Narfwak · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Mar 8 2005, 05:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just curious but what pet were you using? I sometimes wonder how much fun you could have with the felhunter's buff-eating ability (goodbye seals and blessings) and counterspell (healing? oh no you don't!) against a paladin :3  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
CS doesn't work through a pali's shield, and most palis use their shields to heal in PvP.

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