German Unemployment Rate Record Broken
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<div class="IPBDescription">12.6%</div> <b>German jobless rate at new record</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->More than 5.2 million Germans were out of work in February, new figures show.
The figure of 5.216 million people, or 12.6% of the working-age population, is the highest jobless rate in Europe's biggest economy since the 1930s.
The news comes as the head of Germany's panel of government economic advisers predicted growth would again stagnate.
Speaking on German TV, Bert Ruerup said the panel's earlier forecast of 1.4% was too optimistic and warned growth would be just 1% in 2005. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4307303.stm' target='_blank'>Link to Source</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->More than 5.2 million Germans were out of work in February, new figures show.
The figure of 5.216 million people, or 12.6% of the working-age population, is the highest jobless rate in Europe's biggest economy since the 1930s.
The news comes as the head of Germany's panel of government economic advisers predicted growth would again stagnate.
Speaking on German TV, Bert Ruerup said the panel's earlier forecast of 1.4% was too optimistic and warned growth would be just 1% in 2005. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4307303.stm' target='_blank'>Link to Source</a>
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Failure...Mr. Jebert0 failure... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Supported by...the people who actually work.
Supported by...the people who actually work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So?
Supported by...the people who actually work. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only those who work or have worked should reap the benefits of their labor.
Social welfare is simply state sponsored theft.
Supported by...the people who actually work. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only those who work or have worked should reap the benefits of their labor.
Social welfare is simply state sponsored theft. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So is taxation. Should we end taxation?
Society is rich enough that it should guarantee a minimum standard of living for everyone living in it. Should we shut down government funded soup kitchens because the people who are forced to go to them obviously haven't earned food?
BTW, I enjoyed the article on proportional representation. It remined me of why libertarians enjoy the same fringe status that socialists do.
Only those who work or have worked should reap the benefits of their labor.
Social welfare is simply state sponsored theft. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amen
Supported by...the people who actually work. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only those who work or have worked should reap the benefits of their labor.
Social welfare is simply state sponsored theft. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So is taxation. Should we end taxation?
Society is rich enough that it should guarantee a minimum standard of living for everyone living in it. Should we shut down government funded soup kitchens because the people who are forced to go to them obviously haven't earned food?
BTW, I enjoyed the article on proportional representation. It remined me of why libertarians enjoy the same fringe status that socialists do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes...if you want to go there. We should only be funding what is truly needed and a military.
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What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall!
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean?
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What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right, and you keep telling yourself that the only people on welfare are mouchers.
Is a military truly needed? Wouldn't a libertarian want citizens to fund their own defense out of their own pockets? Why should the state impose taxation (theft) upon a society that shouldn't have to take the militarial ideas of the government. Plus, some people are so poor that they can't pay taxes. Why should we fund their defense?
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So now its hypocrasy that I give a damn aobut people in need because I myself am not in need? Whatever you're smoking, I want some.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's not saying capitalism is evil. He's saying that capitalism needs a social welfare net so that people don't fall through the cracks because of bad luck (like a factory closing).
That's right; no-one has any concern for others. Sympathy is a lie!
Is a military truly needed? Wouldn't a libertarian want citizens to fund their own defense out of their own pockets? Why should the state impose taxation (theft) upon a society that shouldn't have to take the militarial ideas of the government. Plus, some people are so poor that they can't pay taxes. Why should we fund their defense? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've pondered this, and it's really up to the voting citizens to decide on this issue, since militas as a key military force has proven to be...quite inadquate. But heres another thing, why not make national security profitable? Tons of organizations/companies can replace most of the current military. But when a war is needed to be fought, they are hired. But totally self armed.
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What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's not saying capitalism is evil. He's saying that capitalism needs a social welfare net so that people don't fall through the cracks because of bad luck (like a factory closing). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So in the area of robotics it's ok to think of the workers come first? It's pointless.
Instead of social welfare we as a society need to make education more key.
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What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So now its hypocrasy that I give a damn aobut people in need because I myself am not in need? Whatever you're smoking, I want some. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's fine when you do it, thats your thing but what gives you the right to say im not giving enough?
Huh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Instead of social welfare we as a society need to make education more key.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Publicly funded education, perhaps? If education isn't free, then poor people will just become poorer. If poor people don't have the social welfare support so that they can actually educate themselves, then they will still be poor, working unskilled labor for 80 hours a week, because they can't afford the time/money to go to school.
No matter how educated people are, in an area/time of high unemployment (nationwide or local), you need social welfare supports, or else people will starve to death because they can't find a job, no matter how bad they want to work.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's not saying capitalism is evil. He's saying that capitalism needs a social welfare net so that people don't fall through the cracks because of bad luck (like a factory closing). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So in the area of robotics it's ok to think of the workers come first? It's pointless.
Instead of social welfare we as a society need to make education more key. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because if you're educated you can still get hired, even if the job market is already flooded and there aren't any jobs available!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's fine when you do it, thats your thing but what gives you the right to say im not giving enough?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I'm just saying that it would be a really stupid idea to do away with welfare. If keeping welfare means you and I have to pay more in taxes, fine.
Huh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Instead of social welfare we as a society need to make education more key.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Publicly funded education, perhaps? If education isn't free, then poor people will just become poorer. If poor people don't have the social welfare support so that they can actually educate themselves, then they will still be poor, working unskilled labor for 80 hours a week, because they can't afford the time/money to go to school.
No matter how educated people are, in an area/time of high unemployment (nationwide or local), you need social welfare supports, or else people will starve to death because they can't find a job, no matter how bad they want to work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
True education isn't free, but there must be some measure of accountablity when it comes so, social welfare does nothing to rehabilitate lower class citizens. So it's nothing more then a drain on resources. Theres no proof that social welfare will prevent people from "starving to death", if anything it's made countries in Europe poorer.
Theres also the belief that as we make education more key that better bugeting and private investment will make it even more affordable then it is today.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a great idea! Then, when a factory closes down during a recession and lays off a thousand or so employees, they'll just starve to death like they deserve! and leave us wealthy folk alone to drive our gas guzzling SUVs to the mall! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you say this on a computer over the internet... keep fighting the power man. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just making fun of the hypocrisy of his statement, it's sorta the same as a person bitching about the evils of capitalism from a Escalade. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's not saying capitalism is evil. He's saying that capitalism needs a social welfare net so that people don't fall through the cracks because of bad luck (like a factory closing). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So in the area of robotics it's ok to think of the workers come first? It's pointless.
Instead of social welfare we as a society need to make education more key. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because if you're educated you can still get hired, even if the job market is already flooded and there aren't any jobs available!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's fine when you do it, thats your thing but what gives you the right to say im not giving enough?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not claiming anything of the sort. I'm just saying that it would be a really stupid idea to do away with welfare. If keeping welfare means you and I have to pay more in taxes, fine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I choose not to pay taxes that have no real representation other then good intent, I become a criminal. Thats called extortion.
Huh?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Instead of social welfare we as a society need to make education more key.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Publicly funded education, perhaps? If education isn't free, then poor people will just become poorer. If poor people don't have the social welfare support so that they can actually educate themselves, then they will still be poor, working unskilled labor for 80 hours a week, because they can't afford the time/money to go to school.
No matter how educated people are, in an area/time of high unemployment (nationwide or local), you need social welfare supports, or else people will starve to death because they can't find a job, no matter how bad they want to work. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True education isn't free, but there must be some measure of accountablity when it comes so, social welfare does nothing to rehabilitate lower class citizens. So it's nothing more then a drain on resources. Theres no proof that social welfare will prevent people from "starving to death", if anything it's made countries in Europe poorer.
Theres also the belief that as we make education more key that better bugeting and private investment will make it even more affordable then it is today. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005' target='_blank'>http://www.economist.com/theworldin/intern...=3372495&d=2005</a>
Look at all those heavily socialist countries that are poorer than the US, but still have a higher standard of living (the only one that is richer is Luxembourg, I believe, but basically all of the ones above us are more socialist than us).
Without social welfare, what happens to people who can't find a job? How do they get food, health care, shelter, clothing, and education (especially for their children)? Charity is nowhere near as comprehensive as social welfare is and is not financed as well.
I'm all for putting education in the hands of private institutions, but at the <b>very least</b>, it should still be free to everyone who can't pay.
You're a freaking psycho, you know that right? Social welfare gives people money, money they can spend on rent and food. Those things are what are known as "nessesity", you need them to keep living. You WILL starve to death if you can't buy food, unless you commit crime and steal it, that is fact.
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Theres also the belief that as we make education more key that better bugeting and private investment will make it even more affordable then it is today.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"This lesson brought to you by Coke". No thanks. If education is privately funded then it can push a private agenda, like say, a religious one. Or even worse, a corporate one designed to make you believe that you need to buy the next N'Sync CD or whatever. DEAR GOD NO! Public education may be ineffecient, but contrary to popular conservative belief privatization isn't the answer. Hell, corporations aren't really any better then the government when it comes to efficiency, and then of course theres things like what happened at enron. BAD IDEAS ALL AROUND!
Is a military truly needed? Wouldn't a libertarian want citizens to fund their own defense out of their own pockets? Why should the state impose taxation (theft) upon a society that shouldn't have to take the militarial ideas of the government. Plus, some people are so poor that they can't pay taxes. Why should we fund their defense? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've pondered this, and it's really up to the voting citizens to decide on this issue, since militas as a key military force has proven to be...quite inadquate. But heres another thing, why not make national security profitable? Tons of organizations/companies can replace most of the current military. But when a war is needed to be fought, they are hired. But totally self armed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The reason why they don't do this is because you're depending on a for-profit institution that doesn't have the needs of it's clients as a priority. The defense industry is beholden to its shareholders, not the American people.
Much like health care, the cost of defense, as determined by the market, is everything that you can afford. Instead of paying a thousand dollars per person on national defense, you will pay 90% of your personal wealth, because you basically have to pay.
You're a freaking psycho, you know that right? Social welfare gives people money, money they can spend on rent and food. Those things are what are known as "nessesity", you need them to keep living. You WILL starve to death if you can't buy food, unless you commit crime and steal it, that is fact.
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Theres also the belief that as we make education more key that better bugeting and private investment will make it even more affordable then it is today.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"This lesson brought to you by Coke". No thanks. If education is privately funded then it can push a private agenda, like say, a religious one. Or even worse, a corporate one designed to make you believe that you need to buy the next N'Sync CD or whatever. DEAR GOD NO! Public education may be ineffecient, but contrary to popular conservative belief privatization isn't the answer. Hell, corporations aren't really any better then the government when it comes to efficiency, and then of course theres things like what happened at enron. BAD IDEAS ALL AROUND! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Schools are already being sponsored by Coke and Pepsi. As well as many other companies.
Point being, we don't need government unless it's needed. There is no proof that social welfare can prevent "starvation" anyway. Not only that, charity organizations will spring up in replacement of government.