Modern Art!
groKKingmImI
Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34003Members
Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34003Members
<div class="IPBDescription">let's show our appreciation</div> John Stossel of ABC news has published <a href='http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=563146&page=1' target='_blank'>this</a> article condemning modern art. Personally, I think we should give modern art a chance. Here's my personal contribution. Maybe the rest of you up-and-coming <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89769&hl=photoshop&st=0' target='_blank'>artists</a> might wanna post your works as well. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://images.google.com/images?q=modern%20art&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi' target='_blank'>Here</a> is some inspiration. (link goes to GiS)
<a href='http://images.google.com/images?q=modern%20art&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi' target='_blank'>Here</a> is some inspiration. (link goes to GiS)
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the dot is meant to symbolize the microcosm of life, whereas the blue represents the macrocosm of the heavens.
personally, this work of mine has a lot of personal meaning.
i don't know what that is yet.
i chose this work because i like the color blue. it has a lot of personal meaning.
tell me what you think of it!
Edit: And after having read the article, I can only wholeheartedly agree with John Stossel. My thoughts exactly. Somebody give the man a medal for that article. Also, I will upload "art" shortly if that is really needed to validate my post, unless a moderator decides it is a waste of server space and bandwidth.
Edit2: Yessirs! <b><u>ART!</b></u> Why? Because I say so. I don't know when the change occurred, but before, it was up to the artist to prove that his work was art, by making it perfectly clear to everyone (for example by spending ten years painting the ceilings of a chapel).
Now, everything is art unless it can be irrefutably proved that it is not, something that is apparrently impossible. Thus, ART:
the latter my good gentleman (psst... it's a photoshop thread. get to work)
The art professor was one of those hard core fanatics about art.
As in show class a slide of a picture. The picture consists of 4 wavy lines. Thats it.
"ooh look at the delicate curvature of these lines blablabla bla"
*looks down at doodles in notebook as I barely try to stay away somewhere in the sea ofther bored out of their mind students
"hey! that artists Hax0red me!!"
This one Jackson Pollock master piece was just a couple of buckets of black paint thrown on a giant canvas which then sold for more money then Ill ever make.
Dang if modern art is that easy I should quit my job and go buy a couple cans of paint, Maybe some cloth and a little super glue too.
There was once a piece of poo on the floor, that sold well. Oh and the blank canvas called "space" was a big hit too!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, everything is art unless it can be irrefutably proved that it is not, something that is apparrently impossible. Thus, ART: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
semi-relevant essay:
<a href='http://www.susansontag.com/againstinterpretationexcrpt.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.susansontag.com/againstinterpretationexcrpt.htm</a>
The world, our world, is depleted, impoverished enough. Away with all duplicates of it, until we again experience more immediately what we have.
Folks, nobody forces you to watch stuff you don't like, and if somebody else has the money and tastes to buy something you wouldn't call 'art' if your life depended on it, let them. It won't hurt you.
Before you run around declaring stoidly that 'this is not art', consider that you are following a proud tradition as old as art itself there.
I say good for the artists, if they can make some money for doing jack-sh*t.
Look, Modern Art!! and it took me all of 30 seconds!!
Folks, nobody forces you to watch stuff you don't like, and if somebody else has the money and tastes to buy something you wouldn't call 'art' if your life depended on it, let them. It won't hurt you.
Before you run around declaring stoidly that 'this is not art', consider that you are following a proud tradition as old as art itself there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Units/arthist/sharp/issues/0002/pHTML/pTraceyEminMyBed01.shtml' target='_blank'>this crap?</a>.
i was really about to post a huge, ten pager on ya, but then, well, no.
And that other one, which was an empty room with a flashing light in it.
Modern art sucks.
<a href='http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&q=Gauguin&spell=1' target='_blank'>He</a> was called a pervert.
<a href='http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&lr=&q=Renoir&btnG=Suche' target='_blank'>He</a> was apparently just lazy.
And you don't want to know what they called <a href='http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&lr=&q=Michelangelo&btnG=Suche' target='_blank'>him</a>.
Is most of modern art crap? Of course. Most of everything is. But what you are doing right now is akin to pointing at Britney Spears and dismissing all music written in the last fifty years over her.
Seriously, it is necessary that nearly all art be read into for it to be meaningful. Simply because modern art can be abstract does not mean it is more meaningless compared to certain classic works. And honestly, do any of you think you could find the value behind classic paintings without somone like sister wendy to help you through it?
Seriously, it is necessary that nearly all art be read into for it to be meaningful. Simply because modern art can be abstract does not mean it is more meaningless compared to certain classic works. And honestly, do any of you think you could find the value behind classic paintings without somone like sister wendy to help you through it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
At least paintings that depict something understandable are nice to look at <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&q=Gauguin&spell=1' target='_blank'>He</a> was called a pervert.
<a href='http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&lr=&q=Renoir&btnG=Suche' target='_blank'>He</a> was apparently just lazy.
And you don't want to know what they called <a href='http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&lr=&q=Michelangelo&btnG=Suche' target='_blank'>him</a>.
Is most of modern art crap? Of course. Most of everything is. But what you are doing right now is akin to pointing at Britney Spears and dismissing all music written in the last fifty years over her.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Take it less seriously. I think most people here aren't generalizing mod.* art nearly as much as you think. At least im not. This thread was made in fun, save the philosophizing for discussion.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>* PUN PUN PUN</span>
Seriously, it is necessary that nearly all art be read into for it to be meaningful. Simply because modern art can be abstract does not mean it is more meaningless compared to certain classic works. And honestly, do any of you think you could find the value behind classic paintings without somone like sister wendy to help you through it?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know i'm breaking my own rule here but,
the mona lisa is an example of why the hell modern art is so successful. groupthink, doublethink -- whatever you wish, most of it is hypocritical trash. it's a fact that da vinci has created much better paintings, but it's the pop idolatry of mona lisa throughout generations that makes it the symbol it is today, not any artistic merit.
that and the da vinci code.
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Art hasn't always been interpreted. Neither has literature, and I'd make a big point about how interpretation isn't neccessary, at all, but if you'd read Susan Sontag's essay I pointed out earlier (it IS the whole essay, btw, excerpt refers to the book), she does a better job.
you, sir, win.
Look, Modern Art!! and it took me all of 30 seconds!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too bad you already released it (i would have bought it) <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyway Nem0 is right (again), if you are trying to define art, you already failed at said task (defining art).
Since humanity recognized that there is such a thing as art, it has been always connected to personal taste. Most people use "Art" as a positive expression, hence you will never call things you dont like art.
Just live with the fact, that there are people who have oppinions, that differ from your own.
If you put it on ebay, you most likely would.
In the end, I guess our outrage shouldn't be directed at the man who paints a canvas blue, but at the man who pays a few grand for it/declares it "art." Nobody would care about what Pierre le Splash does in his atelier if it weren't for some confused, pompous man with too much money on his hand taking it out of said atelier and shoving it in our faces, demanding our praise, and being outraged if it is not readily forthcoming.
The closest I can come to any definition of art, they way art was meant to be, is decoration. A blue canvas is certainly decoration, but why should it be worth more than wallpaper? Anyone can paint a canvas blue. But a 0.5x1.2 meter picture, realistically depicting a gorgeous landscape or what have you, can you paint that? I sure as hell can't, and neither could most of you. Oh sure, many of us could come somwhere close, but only a few could do something truly great. THAT is art.
A pissoir, signed or not, isn't. It's a waste receptacle. The act of unfastening it from a wall and writing your name on it doesn't make it art.
If this is a matter of opinion, mine's at least as good as yours.
aka modern art is rubbish that makes fingerpainting look good
<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
If you[anyone in general] don't like it than that's fine. There is always something else that you would prefer.
You know, I know a few collectors, and this is pretty much as far from an accurate description of them as you can get...
The ironic thing here is that I can't stand a good 90% of modern art (though 'My Bed' kinda appealed to me in that it focusses on the generic, casual, as for example the early realists did when they began painting people in their working environments). But that doesn't keep it from <i>being</i> art. I despise the Baroque, but I appreciate that there is thought and effort in those works, though I can rarely see them. The point I'm making here - you are not the sole measure of the world. Art is in the eye of the beholder.
And if you find it necessary to ridicule something someone else cares for, as happens in here, just because you can't understand it (and this doesn't imply that you are too stupid to understand it, it simply implies that you don't find access to it, which is perfectly fine), I'm finding it difficult to have sympathy for your position.