<!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 23 2005, 06:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 23 2005, 06:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Mar 21 2005, 08:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Mar 21 2005, 08:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nubs always stack marines, so the good players have to alien. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is very incorrect, the good players <i>allways</i> stacks marines. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because you have to be super, super awesome to hit a Skulk with an LMG at all.
My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining.
People should consider the messages sent by not having a clan scene. It can say any number of things, not all of which are true in the case of NS:
- The game when mastered was simply not worth playing. - The game had fundamental issues that made playing at a high level impossible. - The community wasn't supported properly and died.
Thankfully with NS, the game is totally worth playing at a higher level, it's the other two that are the issue. I'm not saying we're more important than a public scene, but you have to realise that a succesful game will have <b>both</b>. If i was an investor in UWE i'd be looking for a game that appealed to the masses but one that also appealed to a higher level of play. If i saw a dying clan scene I'd start to ask questions about the game. Esports is massive now and people getting paid to play games is the future. A game which can't support this will be less appealing to an investor.
<!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes damn people for expecting the final version of a set of betas to be more balanced or better than the other betas instead of an undertested overlychanged version
ChurchMeatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2Join Date: 2002-12-31Member: 11646Members, Constellation
edited March 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance.
<!--QuoteBegin-Church+Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version?
This is simply example of human beeing, it developes, developes in stupidity. It developes without knowing why it developes and where it developes, every time we think we make things better, and then, people are complaining about how good it was in the old days. So, do we actually make things better? Things are in total mess, right now, everything is developing, but in its on way into unknown..
<!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 11:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Church+Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> maybe, pal, the devs make bad decisions in the new versions
I personally think aliens are too strong .. why? because when they work together, even well knitted together marine teams loose. webbing, stomping, eating and xenociding is the death to any decent marine team...
ChurchMeatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2Join Date: 2002-12-31Member: 11646Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 11:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Church+Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version?
This is simply example of human beeing, it developes, developes in stupidity. It developes without knowing why it developes and where it developes, every time we think we make things better, and then, people are complaining about how good it was in the old days. So, do we actually make things better? Things are in total mess, right now, everything is developing, but in its on way into unknown.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please learn grammar if you want people to take you seriously.
Oh, and I am much, much better than you will ever be.
kabuum, think about what you're saying. Here is what happens right now: 1) Game is unbalanced for whatever reason(s) 2) Devs try to balance game 3) Devs release new patch that they think might balance game 4) Players play game, find yet another reason why the game is unbalanced Repeat
You just want to stop at step 1. What's the point of that? "Yes the game is unbalanced, but why bother going through the process of trying to fix it if we may actually not get it perfectly right. God forbid we have to do this over and over again." Don't you see why that's a one-way ticket to NS's death? I mean, jeez, annoying as they may be sometimes, the complaints (otherwise known as feedback) are necessary. Would you rather the dev team create and update this game in a vacuum, prohibiting the players from discussing problems with the game openly?
<!--QuoteBegin-eViL tHe Cat+Mar 23 2005, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eViL tHe Cat @ Mar 23 2005, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd just like to add my opinion to all of this ..
I personally think aliens are too strong .. why? because when they work together, even well knitted together marine teams loose. webbing, stomping, eating and xenociding is the death to any decent marine team...
and CO ist just a joke. the rines never win. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> because aliens have 3 hives
if aliens cannot win, with ideal play, at the top of their tech level against an ok marine team then something is wrong. how could they ever advance then with their 1 hive
<!--QuoteBegin-Church+Mar 23 2005, 12:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Mar 23 2005, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 11:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Church+Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Mar 23 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kabuum+Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kabuum @ Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My point is, that now you are complaining about things, and when it is changed, you start to complain about the changes, just like now. "we want that back", "we want that back"... I suggest to think about upgrading NS, is it really neccesary. CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version?
This is simply example of human beeing, it developes, developes in stupidity. It developes without knowing why it developes and where it developes, every time we think we make things better, and then, people are complaining about how good it was in the old days. So, do we actually make things better? Things are in total mess, right now, everything is developing, but in its on way into unknown.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Please learn grammar if you want people to take you seriously.
Oh, and I am much, much better than you will ever be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :checkmark:
This game is not balanced, and unbalanced games are not as fun as they can be. If you want to be a flamy nub I hope you enjoy being ridiculed kabuum.
<!--QuoteBegin-mr drug lord+Mar 23 2005, 03:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mr drug lord @ Mar 23 2005, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-eViL tHe Cat+Mar 23 2005, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eViL tHe Cat @ Mar 23 2005, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd just like to add my opinion to all of this ..
I personally think aliens are too strong .. why? because when they work together, even well knitted together marine teams loose. webbing, stomping, eating and xenociding is the death to any decent marine team...
and CO ist just a joke. the rines never win. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> because aliens have 3 hives
if aliens cannot win, with ideal play, at the top of their tech level against an ok marine team then something is wrong. how could they ever advance then with their 1 hive <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And this is the reason why combat can never be balanced as long as we strive to keep a similarity between the two modes, while keeping all abilites in.
/me ventures in here, gets really angry, and <span style='color:red'>***does***</span> the inevitable.
OK folks, in case my last post has not been obvious enough, here's the short form: If you can't respect each other, don't expect me (or likely any other dev) to be interested in your points. Your choice.
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That is very incorrect, the good players <i>allways</i> stacks marines. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because you have to be super, super awesome to hit a Skulk with an LMG at all.
CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining.
- The game when mastered was simply not worth playing.
- The game had fundamental issues that made playing at a high level impossible.
- The community wasn't supported properly and died.
Thankfully with NS, the game is totally worth playing at a higher level, it's the other two that are the issue. I'm not saying we're more important than a public scene, but you have to realise that a succesful game will have <b>both</b>. If i was an investor in UWE i'd be looking for a game that appealed to the masses but one that also appealed to a higher level of play. If i saw a dying clan scene I'd start to ask questions about the game. Esports is massive now and people getting paid to play games is the future. A game which can't support this will be less appealing to an investor.
CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes damn people for expecting the final version of a set of betas to be more balanced or better than the other betas instead of an undertested overlychanged version
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CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance.
CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version?
This is simply example of human beeing, it developes, developes in stupidity. It developes without knowing why it developes and where it developes, every time we think we make things better, and then, people are complaining about how good it was in the old days. So, do we actually make things better? Things are in total mess, right now, everything is developing, but in its on way into unknown..
CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
maybe, pal, the devs make bad decisions in the new versions
I personally think aliens are too strong .. why?
because when they work together, even well knitted together marine teams loose.
webbing, stomping, eating and xenociding is the death to any decent marine team...
and CO ist just a joke. the rines never win.
CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version?
This is simply example of human beeing, it developes, developes in stupidity. It developes without knowing why it developes and where it developes, every time we think we make things better, and then, people are complaining about how good it was in the old days. So, do we actually make things better? Things are in total mess, right now, everything is developing, but in its on way into unknown.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please learn grammar if you want people to take you seriously.
Oh, and I am much, much better than you will ever be.
1) Game is unbalanced for whatever reason(s)
2) Devs try to balance game
3) Devs release new patch that they think might balance game
4) Players play game, find yet another reason why the game is unbalanced
Repeat
You just want to stop at step 1. What's the point of that? "Yes the game is unbalanced, but why bother going through the process of trying to fix it if we may actually not get it perfectly right. God forbid we have to do this over and over again." Don't you see why that's a one-way ticket to NS's death? I mean, jeez, annoying as they may be sometimes, the complaints (otherwise known as feedback) are necessary. Would you rather the dev team create and update this game in a vacuum, prohibiting the players from discussing problems with the game openly?
I personally think aliens are too strong .. why?
because when they work together, even well knitted together marine teams loose.
webbing, stomping, eating and xenociding is the death to any decent marine team...
and CO ist just a joke. the rines never win. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
because aliens have 3 hives
if aliens cannot win, with ideal play, at the top of their tech level against an ok marine team then something is wrong. how could they ever advance then with their 1 hive
CS is also with lots of community and stuff, but it is not changing SO much, and no one is complaining. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CS also has counter-terrorists on one side (humans with guns) and terrorists (humans with...guns again, most of them the same) on the other side. Not too hard to balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, go play CS if NS is too hard for you :doh: Then why you don't make all aliens shooting and all the same speed. Something MUST be unbalanced.
Just forget those betas and all, why do we need a new version at all if you all are going to complain about the things in new version?
This is simply example of human beeing, it developes, developes in stupidity. It developes without knowing why it developes and where it developes, every time we think we make things better, and then, people are complaining about how good it was in the old days. So, do we actually make things better? Things are in total mess, right now, everything is developing, but in its on way into unknown.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please learn grammar if you want people to take you seriously.
Oh, and I am much, much better than you will ever be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
:checkmark:
This game is not balanced, and unbalanced games are not as fun as they can be. If you want to be a flamy nub I hope you enjoy being ridiculed kabuum.
I personally think aliens are too strong .. why?
because when they work together, even well knitted together marine teams loose.
webbing, stomping, eating and xenociding is the death to any decent marine team...
and CO ist just a joke. the rines never win. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because aliens have 3 hives
if aliens cannot win, with ideal play, at the top of their tech level against an ok marine team then something is wrong. how could they ever advance then with their 1 hive <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And this is the reason why combat can never be balanced as long as we strive to keep a similarity between the two modes, while keeping all abilites in.
OK folks, in case my last post has not been obvious enough, here's the short form: If you can't respect each other, don't expect me (or likely any other dev) to be interested in your points. Your choice.