Soooooo, 3.1?

XenoXeno Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2343Members
edited March 2005 in NS General Discussion
didn't flayra say in an interview that we would be seeing 3.1 in like 4 to 5 weeks after 3.0 final got released. everyone was like "that's never gonna happen" and stuff like that. so what's up? or am i missing something here? is it really gonna happen?

edit: here's the quote


"We're planning on releasing v3.1 in another four to six weeks, which will have an exciting new system that we've been working for quite some time. We're not ready to announce the details of this system yet, but we think players will be excited when they see it. NS 3.1 will also include balance changes that arise after 3.0 and possibly a few new maps (including one from Merkaba, of ns_hera fame)."

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  • EPcreepEPcreep Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28289Members, Constellation
    mabey it was the server side patch?
  • XenoXeno Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2343Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-EPcreep+Mar 28 2005, 05:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EPcreep @ Mar 28 2005, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> mabey it was the server side patch? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL! that made me laugh irl. thanks.

    seriously though, have consties heard ANY news whatsoever?
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    Why dont you just calm down. It wont kill you. I waited a year for 3.0 final to come out, i can wait a couple of months for 3.1.
  • XenoXeno Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2343Members
    what? i'm not going hysterical or anything, i just reread the interview and remembered what he said. i'm assuming that flayra had pretty much in mind what he wanted to do, and that he didn't want to release info at that time. sicne it is 4 weeks later, i was wondering if anyone knew what flayra has in mind. and i know that we won't be receiving 3.1 in 2 weeks, just wanna know what this big thing he has in mind that everyones gonna like.
  • Garet_JaxGaret_Jax Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13870Members, Constellation
    Sorry Xeno- no news on the constellation board.

    We <3 the developer's, but I don't hold much faith on their set dates of releases <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Further more, new bugs are having to be fixed. (I know the so-called (unintentional) "shotgun nerf" is being looked into; and some forgotten bugs are being looked at; fyi for non-constellation members: we might get backwards-flight for lerks in the next patch)
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Garet Jax+Mar 28 2005, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Garet Jax @ Mar 28 2005, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry Xeno- no news on the constellation board.

    We <3 the developer's, but I don't hold much faith on their set dates of releases <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Further more, new bugs are having to be fixed. (I know the so-called (unintentional) "shotgun nerf" is being looked into; and some forgotten bugs are being looked at; fyi for non-constellation members: we might get backwards-flight for lerks in the next patch) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Speaking of the shotgun nerf, i have a common sense theory on why its acting like it is (besides the messed up entrys)....i should post that somehwere.
  • MisfireMisfire Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5764Members
    backwards flight with the lerk? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Misfire+Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Misfire @ Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> backwards flight with the lerk? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats what i always thought.

    Ive never seen a bird fly backwards... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ScrapScrap Join Date: 2005-01-06 Member: 32953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Misfire+Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Misfire @ Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> backwards flight with the lerk?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats what i always thought.

    Ive never seen a bird fly backwards... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the worlds smallest bird can fly backward.atleast i think it was the worlds smallest bird 2...well anyways 1 bird can fly backwards.
  • tankefugltankefugl One Script To Rule Them All... Trondheim, Norway Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited March 2005
    Colibri.

    So the lerk can hover over RT flowers and suck the juice out of them.
  • comradecomrade Join Date: 2003-11-30 Member: 23774Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Mar 28 2005, 01:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Mar 28 2005, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Colibri.

    So the lerk can hover over RT flowers and suck the juice out of them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    o man with tankefugl on the dev team 3.1 is going to rock
  • Garet_JaxGaret_Jax Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13870Members, Constellation
    edited March 2005
    I think tanke's contributions can already be seen in 3.0 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Incidentally,

    <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005+ 06:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005 @ 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ive never seen a bird fly backwards...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero @ Mar 28 2005+ 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Mar 28 2005 @ 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, the 'new' flight model was implemented to make the Lerk work better in a 3D environment, not for any 'realism' reasons.

    As for backwards flight, it's not impossible. Wait and see.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    I eagerly await any balance changes that might help current gameplay in organised matches.
  • Thats_EnoughThats_Enough USA Join Date: 2004-03-04 Member: 27141Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Backwards lerk flight isn't what everyone is thinking... it's not like you will fly at a rine, and push back, then instantly go backwards. Well at least I hope they wouldn't do that... the onos' charge already defies physics, but I won't go there. More along the lines of being able to fly backwards, which would be awesome. No instant direction change, momentum should still play a role.

    As for 3.1... nothing form the constie forum to report <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    But I can be patient, I have been since v1... awhile longer won't be so bad. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    You actually expected 3.1 four weeks after 3.0? Flayra shouldnt have said that, because there was no chance of it happening.
  • HybridclawHybridclaw Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22271Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Scrap+Mar 28 2005, 01:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scrap @ Mar 28 2005, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Misfire+Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Misfire @ Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> backwards flight with the lerk?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats what i always thought.

    Ive never seen a bird fly backwards... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the worlds smallest bird can fly backward.atleast i think it was the worlds smallest bird 2...well anyways 1 bird can fly backwards. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hummingbirds can fly backwards
  • CerebralCerebral Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17689Members
    maybe they can all fly backwards...they just never felt like doing it before o_0
  • AposApos Join Date: 2003-06-14 Member: 17369Members, Constellation
    Cagey would be the one who knows more about this subject, since 3.1 is his time for his baby to shine. Mappers also seem to be updating for 3.1, so they probably know the general timetable as well. We shall see.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Misfire+Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Misfire @ Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> backwards flight with the lerk?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats what i always thought.

    Ive never seen a bird fly backwards... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've never seen a bird shoot poisonous spore clouds or bite a human to death either.

    Gameplay > Realism

    It has yet to be discovered weather backwards flight would acctually be benificial to the lerk's gameplay though... Personally I think the lerk could use some slight buffs anyways, as it's versitility really falls apart when heavy weapons come out, and I would most like to see flight model buffs as the improvements, as it would make it much harder to put an SG round into a lerk's face if it didn't have to cut a flight path right at you, but rather was able to dive at you on an angle from pretty much any altitude.

    I'd really like to see some of the changes that Adj helped come up with playtested in the next version...

    [edit]Apos, mappers know nothing, they just continuously update as soon as they have positive feedback come in. From talking with some people involved in development of the game I get the impression that a final time table has not been decided on yet, as it has yet to be decided how ambitious 3.1 will be in terms of development. It may just be slight tweaks intended to balance the current 3.0f more properly, but it is also possible that some of the major issues will be adressed for 3.1 such as fade/shotgun dependancy, and the paper onos (which are all fairly big issues in terms of workload to fix)

    Anyways, I have been outright told that 2-3 weeks is not going to be the timeframe the developers are aiming at, and it will most likely be much longer. 3.0f would have to be much more balanced for a 2 week dev cycle on 3.1 to be realistic. Any changes will require a fair bit of playtesting to insure they acctually aid the balance of the game.
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Apos+Mar 28 2005, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Apos @ Mar 28 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cagey would be the one who knows more about this subject, since 3.1 is his time for his baby to shine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Great, now we have to prepare for the onlsaught of "OMG WHAT IS TEH BUS!?!?!?"
  • OtsOts Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18577Members, Constellation
    No one can be told what the BUS is, you have to see it yourself..

    old? daaa..
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2005
    They still have a couple of weeks to make the deadline, but in all likelihood it ain't gonna happen, unless they've been making a lot of progress in complete secrecy. Personally I think they should aim for a 3.02 with some balance tweaks in the meantime to keep people happy until then, but I can hold out.
  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    I think y'all should be content that you're getting stuch an awsome game for free and stop posting weekly asking when the next version is coming out but maybe that's just me. 3.1 will be out when it's done.
  • typical_skeletontypical_skeleton Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13944Members
    KFDM, I think this is the first post on this subject for some time...

    You don't have to use cookie-cutter responses, you know. Especially when they aren't really relevant.

    Besides, he was simply asking for an update, he wasn't being pushy or annoying. I think everyone would like an update on the status of 3.1.

    Especially since Flayra made the mistake(?) of pointing out target dates. =P
  • Steel_TrollSteel_Troll Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
    edited March 2005
    KDFM i dont think there was any bad will in this post, it was more of a speculation topic and putting forward a good point asking the question if s.1 was in the process of being produced in time for the 4- 6 weeks deadline.

    Some of us have learnt a few things from this thread( (lerk flight + other **** bits) so let the masses speculate and discuss...

    edit wth? ROFL i ment tidbits not **** bits... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • LokeTheSleekPeruvianLokeTheSleekPeruvian Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20054Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Mar 28 2005, 03:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Apos+Mar 28 2005, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Apos @ Mar 28 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cagey would be the one who knows more about this subject, since 3.1 is his time for his baby to shine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Great, now we have to prepare for the onlsaught of "OMG WHAT IS TEH BUS!?!?!?" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *sigh*

    We have to do this again?

    As NolSinkler pointed out the BUS is Bodacious Underground Singer.

    Oh, and the BUS will be riding the Magic Bus.
    <img src='http://internetfm.com/acid/who01.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • LazarusLazarus Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 122Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hybridclaw+Mar 28 2005, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hybridclaw @ Mar 28 2005, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Scrap+Mar 28 2005, 01:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scrap @ Mar 28 2005, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Mar 28 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Misfire+Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Misfire @ Mar 28 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> backwards flight with the lerk?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats what i always thought.

    Ive never seen a bird fly backwards... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the worlds smallest bird can fly backward.atleast i think it was the worlds smallest bird 2...well anyways 1 bird can fly backwards. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hummingbirds can fly backwards<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <img src='http://frontpage.simnet.is/dna/Kria-94.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
    This one can also fly backwards. Nasty little buggers. Swoop over people and peck their heads, just like *gasp* just like the lerk!
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    *cou NS: Source? gh*
  • SwiftSwift Lost Keys Join Date: 2005-02-19 Member: 41683Members, Constellation
    I really rather see a delayed, better game than a [bleep]y rushed out game.
  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    Reminds me of a certain game that was released a couple months ago...
    [COUGH] Half-Life 2? [/COUGH]

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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