My Comp Is ****ed

moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<div class="IPBDescription">No response, need help.</div> So here's the state of my computer.

Capacitors are going bad on the motherboard. They are corroding and some of them are puffed up on top a little bit.

Normally I've had to run my computer underclocked or it freezes up. Today, however, it froze requiring a reboot, and then later turned itself off completely and wouldn't start again.

Now if I have the main breaker off for a while, then turn it on and hit power, the fan spins for a second. That's it. Its the only way I can get any response out of it.

The motherboard however doesn't seem to have changed much visibly, so I'm wondering if the issues are constrained to the mother board, or if the power supply got **** having to pump more power into these weakening capacitors.

Any ideas oh hardware gurus of the forums?

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  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    I'd try the power supply with another machine (you don't have to take parts out, just open the sides of two computers and plug the cords from your power supply into the other box). That way you can verify that the power supply works.

    Frankly, if your motherboard's capacitors are corroding, then I'd replace the motherboard, even if you find that the motherboard isn't a problem. If something happens to the power that's running through your computer (doesn't matter what makes it go bad, capacitor, power supply, or whatever), then you could lose several parts.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Apr 10 2005, 08:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Apr 10 2005, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So here's the state of my computer.

    Capacitors are going bad on the motherboard. They are corroding and some of them are puffed up on top a little bit.

    Normally I've had to run my computer underclocked or it freezes up. Today, however, it froze requiring a reboot, and then later turned itself off completely and wouldn't start again.

    Now if I have the main breaker off for a while, then turn it on and hit power, the fan spins for a second. That's it. Its the only way I can get any response out of it.

    The motherboard however doesn't seem to have changed much visibly, so I'm wondering if the issues are constrained to the mother board, or if the power supply got **** having to pump more power into these weakening capacitors.

    Any ideas oh hardware gurus of the forums? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My old mobo did this too. Turns out the capacitors fried in an accident....(I wasnt paying attention and stuck a ram stick in backwards..boom)


    Long story short, I have a new mobo <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 10 2005, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 10 2005, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd try the power supply with another machine (you don't have to take parts out, just open the sides of two computers and plug the cords from your power supply into the other box). That way you can verify that the power supply works.

    Frankly, if your motherboard's capacitors are corroding, then I'd replace the motherboard, even if you find that the motherboard isn't a problem. If something happens to the power that's running through your computer (doesn't matter what makes it go bad, capacitor, power supply, or whatever), then you could lose several parts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If the power supply is bad, couldn't that destroy the other computer?
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    /me points at topic title.

    yes, it is.

    replace the mobo.

    get some one to test the PSU

    and honestly you might wana have some one test most of your parts.

    If something fries, often it can dmg other pieces, and then those peieces can continue dmging other pieces
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Apr 10 2005, 08:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Apr 10 2005, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 10 2005, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 10 2005, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd try the power supply with another machine (you don't have to take parts out, just open the sides of two computers and plug the cords from your power supply into the other box).  That way you can verify that the power supply works.

    Frankly, if your motherboard's capacitors are corroding, then I'd replace the motherboard, even if you find that the motherboard isn't a problem.  If something happens to the power that's running through your computer (doesn't matter what makes it go bad, capacitor, power supply, or whatever), then you could lose several parts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If the power supply is bad, couldn't that destroy the other computer? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah. I forgot that. Make sure you test it on a computer belonging to someone you hate.
  • Omega_DeathOmega_Death Sith apprentice to a box of Cereal Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19042Members
    Yeah me thinks it's new mobo time, capacitors fried sounds like your problem.
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    Aight... you need to have someone test bassicly everything

    If the PSU is working too hard, it could potentially surge, damaging everything and itself badly... with no visible effects

    The capaciters will most likely require a new MOBO, unless you find some way to replace JUST them (unlikely)

    If there are any other damaged parts, get them replaced asap... they WILL damage the new parts
  • cariocacarioca Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20511Members
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> your pwoer suply have a purple cable test if the power in that cable is 3,3 vcc, if not and sending 5 vcc is your trouble.
    the mother board have to do more work to lower the voltage from 5 vcc to 3,3vcc.
    the purple cable suply your processor direct only protect by capacitors, if you lsot the capacitor you will lost your processor, dont cut off the capacitor and make a shotcut if the power is in 3,3 vcc because is more complex dan you think.
    if the capacitor are leaking over heating noise(in the power net) and age could do this.

    all capacitor start loose your habilityt after 1 year so is the main reason ppl gime you only 1 year of secure to you trade back the mobo.
  • Viper_two_nine_AViper_two_nine_A Join Date: 2004-09-29 Member: 31989Members
    well ...
    1) replace your power supply if you think it might be damaged.
    2) if you cant do it yourself .. look for someone who can replace your capacitors (which is really much cheaper then buying a new mb - on my old mb two of them exploded ... i replaced them with two other ones which had about the same c -> system uptime now ~4 years <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
  • cariocacarioca Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20511Members
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> is the normal ones capacitors or the smd(very small) capacitors
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    edited April 2005
    Here's the cause I believe.

    <a href='http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/bch20030207018535.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/...30207018535.htm</a>

    On my board its the large 1 farad (looking) capacitors.
  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    Bottom line: Your motherboard is knackered, and dependent on which capacitors have gone will have a strong bearing on how the rest of the system fares. If the ones providing the VRM's are gone, then kiss your CPU, and RAM goodbye, as they WILL have been overvolted.

    Suggestions: Buy another M/B, CPU, and RAM, and be prepared to have to shell out for other components. Get another PSU whilst your at it, a major branded one, like Tagan.
    Suggestions 2: Claim off your house insurance for electrical damage. If your insurance doesn't cover electrical damage, then "drop your PC down the stairs when moving it from one room to another", and claim off Accidental Damage.
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