<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 11 2005, 09:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 11 2005, 09:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Omega Death+Apr 11 2005, 12:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Omega Death @ Apr 11 2005, 12:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Found pic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How can you guys not come to the conclusion that the loop is an artificial formation? It had to have been created by aliens. It's got dashed lines and text! It's obvious that they know English and oriented it towards us, eons ago, so that we would see it today and figure out that aliens exist. In fact, they're probably beaming propaganda into our heads as we speak. I'm making a tinfoil hat and stocking up on aluminum. Who's with me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't worry, with the technology they use, the aluminum will make you especially easy to brainwash.
Possible it's not there anymore, considering it is 20 light years across and probably many more hundreds or thousands of light years away. It could also have changed shape, expanded or got smaller. Who knows? One thing is for sure, investigating a phenomenom like this will not last so long.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 11 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 11 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-arctica+Apr 11 2005, 10:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (arctica @ Apr 11 2005, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Apr 11 2005, 10:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Apr 11 2005, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Apr 11 2005, 06:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 11 2005, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I forget the official name for Black Holes... it's bigger than Singularity... I want to say Quantum Anomoly.... but that doesn't ring like I konw it does *shrug* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Schwarzchild something-or-others. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Schwarzschild radius? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Definatly not: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Schwarzschild radius or gravitational radius is a characteristic radius associated with every mass. The term is used in physics and astronomy, especially in the theory of gravitation, general relativity. It was found in 1916 by Karl Schwarzschild and results from his discovery of an exact solution for the gravitational field outside a static, spherically symmetric star (see Schwarzschild metric, which is a solution of the Einstein field equations). The Schwarzschild radius is proportional to the mass. The Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3 km, the Earth's being approximately 9 mm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So Schwarzschild radius is a quality of anything that has mass. See Wikipedia for more info: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius' target='_blank'>Wikipedia Entry: Schwarzschild radius</a> To my knowledge, nothing has been named for Schwarzschild that does not ahve to do with blackholes.
Also, after some research, it would appear that singularities are predicted to be at the center of anything we call a blackhole. Are you perhaps being confused by the term "Event Horizon"? Which is a spheroid whos edges are the point of no return for anything entering a blackhole? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe
I know there's quantum SOMETHING... I can't htink of what it is... but it defines the entire black hole as what it is
SOmething we know nearly jack all about except for theoreitcal stuff...
Some people here are scaring me with words I never heard <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Next there wil be klingons on the bow <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Why would any alians what to build a uber big thingy ma bob? get gorge slave labour to do it for 1/2 the cost
<!--QuoteBegin-Tyrain+Apr 12 2005, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Apr 12 2005, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You need to think different. Thats the universes first "particle-nascar-racetrack"! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Over 100 trillion laps of Nascar goodness.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 11 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 11 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-arctica+Apr 11 2005, 10:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (arctica @ Apr 11 2005, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Apr 11 2005, 10:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Apr 11 2005, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Apr 11 2005, 06:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Apr 11 2005, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I forget the official name for Black Holes... it's bigger than Singularity... I want to say Quantum Anomoly.... but that doesn't ring like I konw it does *shrug* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Schwarzchild something-or-others. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Schwarzschild radius? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Definatly not: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Schwarzschild radius or gravitational radius is a characteristic radius associated with every mass. The term is used in physics and astronomy, especially in the theory of gravitation, general relativity. It was found in 1916 by Karl Schwarzschild and results from his discovery of an exact solution for the gravitational field outside a static, spherically symmetric star (see Schwarzschild metric, which is a solution of the Einstein field equations). The Schwarzschild radius is proportional to the mass. The Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3 km, the Earth's being approximately 9 mm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So Schwarzschild radius is a quality of anything that has mass. See Wikipedia for more info: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius' target='_blank'>Wikipedia Entry: Schwarzschild radius</a> To my knowledge, nothing has been named for Schwarzschild that does not ahve to do with blackholes.
Also, after some research, it would appear that singularities are predicted to be at the center of anything we call a blackhole. Are you perhaps being confused by the term "Event Horizon"? Which is a spheroid whos edges are the point of no return for anything entering a blackhole? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The event horisons radius is the schwarzchild radius. Schwarzchild is also the one who discovered that Einsteins equations predicted black holes. Calling the event horison the 'schwarzchild radius' is definetly sloppy usage but in the context it's quite clear what is meant.
While the schwarzchild radius is a function of mass that doesn't mean it's usefull to discuss how much you need to compress small every day objects before they turn into a black holes.
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btw:
The reason we can't "see" black holes is that they eat light. But we CAN "see" them by simply looking at gravity affection on things around it. Its how they've discovered countless stars/planets.
<!--QuoteBegin-neko?+Apr 12 2005, 07:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (neko? @ Apr 12 2005, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speaking of black holes and event horizons, what was that theory where if you get to the edge of the horizon or whatever, you could go back in time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The Science Fiction Theory?
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 12 2005, 08:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 12 2005, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-neko?+Apr 12 2005, 07:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (neko? @ Apr 12 2005, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speaking of black holes and event horizons, what was that theory where if you get to the edge of the horizon or whatever, you could go back in time? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Science Fiction Theory? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> rotfl. Let's save Time travel to the deloreans, please. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 12 2005, 08:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 12 2005, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-neko?+Apr 12 2005, 07:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (neko? @ Apr 12 2005, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speaking of black holes and event horizons, what was that theory where if you get to the edge of the horizon or whatever, you could go back in time? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Science Fiction Theory? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well actually the idea isn't too far fetched. Supposedly one could wrap a wormhole around a blackhole and use it to travel backwards through time. Also there is an area of "negative time" in kerr blackholes (IIRC), and no one is really sure what the hell that means. When you fall into a blackhole's event horizon, you are moving forward in time (due to reletivity) way way faster than normal, in a sense this could be considered time travel, but not in any usefull way.
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Oh, good. An interstellar civilization of CS players.
Oh, good. An interstellar civilization of CS players. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Doom. Doom. Doom. Doooooooooom.
How can you guys not come to the conclusion that the loop is an artificial formation? It had to have been created by aliens. It's got dashed lines and text! It's obvious that they know English and oriented it towards us, eons ago, so that we would see it today and figure out that aliens exist. In fact, they're probably beaming propaganda into our heads as we speak. I'm making a tinfoil hat and stocking up on aluminum. Who's with me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't worry, with the technology they use, the aluminum will make you especially easy to brainwash.
Halo anyone?
*edit* Damn you Tommy.
EDIT: Didn't mean to quote last post >_<
Talk about whip-lash...
Schwarzchild something-or-others. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Schwarzschild radius? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Definatly not:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Schwarzschild radius or gravitational radius is a characteristic radius associated with every mass. The term is used in physics and astronomy, especially in the theory of gravitation, general relativity. It was found in 1916 by Karl Schwarzschild and results from his discovery of an exact solution for the gravitational field outside a static, spherically symmetric star (see Schwarzschild metric, which is a solution of the Einstein field equations). The Schwarzschild radius is proportional to the mass. The Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3 km, the Earth's being approximately 9 mm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So Schwarzschild radius is a quality of anything that has mass.
See Wikipedia for more info: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius' target='_blank'>Wikipedia Entry: Schwarzschild radius</a>
To my knowledge, nothing has been named for Schwarzschild that does not ahve to do with blackholes.
Also, after some research, it would appear that singularities are predicted to be at the center of anything we call a blackhole. Are you perhaps being confused by the term "Event Horizon"? Which is a spheroid whos edges are the point of no return for anything entering a blackhole? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe
I know there's quantum SOMETHING... I can't htink of what it is... but it defines the entire black hole as what it is
SOmething we know nearly jack all about except for theoreitcal stuff...
<img src='http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40387000/jpg/_40387209_hawking_bbc_203.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Hawking also scares me.
*scratch head* That's all I can pull.
edit// Ah, nevermind, already said. bah.
Why would any alians what to build a uber big thingy ma bob? get gorge slave labour to do it for 1/2 the cost
Over 100 trillion laps of Nascar goodness.
*scratch head* That's all I can pull.
edit// Ah, nevermind, already said. bah. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Five million Jiggahurtz!!??
Schwarzchild something-or-others. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Schwarzschild radius? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Definatly not:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Schwarzschild radius or gravitational radius is a characteristic radius associated with every mass. The term is used in physics and astronomy, especially in the theory of gravitation, general relativity. It was found in 1916 by Karl Schwarzschild and results from his discovery of an exact solution for the gravitational field outside a static, spherically symmetric star (see Schwarzschild metric, which is a solution of the Einstein field equations). The Schwarzschild radius is proportional to the mass. The Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3 km, the Earth's being approximately 9 mm.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So Schwarzschild radius is a quality of anything that has mass.
See Wikipedia for more info: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius' target='_blank'>Wikipedia Entry: Schwarzschild radius</a>
To my knowledge, nothing has been named for Schwarzschild that does not ahve to do with blackholes.
Also, after some research, it would appear that singularities are predicted to be at the center of anything we call a blackhole. Are you perhaps being confused by the term "Event Horizon"? Which is a spheroid whos edges are the point of no return for anything entering a blackhole? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The event horisons radius is the schwarzchild radius. Schwarzchild is also the one who discovered that Einsteins equations predicted black holes. Calling the event horison the 'schwarzchild radius' is definetly sloppy usage but in the context it's quite clear what is meant.
While the schwarzchild radius is a function of mass that doesn't mean it's usefull to discuss how much you need to compress small every day objects before they turn into a black holes.
The reason we can't "see" black holes is that they eat light. But we CAN "see" them by simply looking at gravity affection on things around it. Its how they've discovered countless stars/planets.
The Science Fiction Theory?
The Science Fiction Theory? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
rotfl. Let's save Time travel to the deloreans, please. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The Science Fiction Theory? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well actually the idea isn't too far fetched. Supposedly one could wrap a wormhole around a blackhole and use it to travel backwards through time. Also there is an area of "negative time" in kerr blackholes (IIRC), and no one is really sure what the hell that means. When you fall into a blackhole's event horizon, you are moving forward in time (due to reletivity) way way faster than normal, in a sense this could be considered time travel, but not in any usefull way.