Something Needs To Be Done About Cheaters.

GoldenShadowGoldenShadow Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 483Members
Theres seems to always be at least one guy on a marine team that has a 50/3 kill/death count while the next guy down has 14/12 at best. I tried everything I could think of, Silence, cloak, you can't surprise these people. They always know exactly where to aim when they run through a doorway to shoot you. before you even realize you need to run forward and bite. The only possible way to kill these people is to gang up 5 skulks and rush him and hopefully the last guy can kill him while hes reloading. If they ever get HMGs or shotguns and they rush your hive, you'll lose the game because of the spawn camp from them while everyone else shoots the hive. Its really easy to tell the skilled folks apart from the hackers though.

Here is a little test. All you gotta do is find a really good hiding spot in a semi heavy marine traffic zone and don't move, not even the mouse. Most marines simply run right underneath you. But the assumed cheater will nail you in a heartbeat as soon as he even goes close to you. Did I make a sound? Was I on MT? no, no

If the guy you think is cheating doesn't notice you, then you probably have a genuine awesome player. If they do notice you, then they are hacking.

One server I was on had a guy who could find me anywhere I was hiding, and I had cloak, wow. how blatant can it get?

We need VAC for NS already, I wish they would hurry. Whip them with the ban sticks.

Does Cheating Death work still? I haven't tried it yet since 3.0 final, How well does it work in fighting hacks?
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23688
    believe me, 99% of the time they aint cheating.


    they're just good, im guessing they also jump around like they're on crack? some people are just very good as marine, and hardly ever go alien because they can get massive kill/death ratios because skulks cant do nothing to them, even if the skulk manages to get up close.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    vac wont help it
    cd doesnt help it

    btw a "semi intelligent" wallhacker will run past you, aware of the fact that he has to check his six a few seconds afterwards <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    Your assumed cheater, is cautious, knows the map, isn't stupid, is probably a high level clan member aliased.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the guy you think is cheating doesn't notice you, then you probably have a genuine awesome player. If they do notice you, then they are hacking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A genuine awesome player antisipates every possible location you may be hiding.

    Getting 50 / 3 as marine it isn't hard in the publics just now.

    This kind of accusation is a joke, happened to myself and two friends yestarday, just because we were top 3 on marines, we became : cheaters, noobs for spawn camping (2 shoot hive one covers... common practice : Its really very funny how many players expect you to allow them to kill you, simply because you are in the hive room), were skilless (as informed by a guy who's only means of killing was xeno).

    I just don't believe you.
  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members
    Well there is of course a simple way of solving this problem. If you suspect someone is cheating, simply take a demo with his steamID, and send it to the server admins.

    ta da!
  • spinviperspinviper Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16151Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-GoldenShadow+Apr 13 2005, 03:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoldenShadow @ Apr 13 2005, 03:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres seems to always be at least one guy on a marine team that has a 50/3 kill/death count while the next guy down has 14/12 at best.  I tried everything I could think of, Silence, cloak, you can't surprise these people. They always know exactly where to aim when they run through a doorway to shoot you. before you even realize you need to run forward and bite.  The only possible way to kill these people is to gang up 5 skulks and rush him and hopefully the last guy can kill him while hes reloading. If they ever get HMGs or shotguns and they rush your hive, you'll lose the game because of the spawn camp from them while everyone else shoots the hive. Its really easy to tell the skilled folks apart from the hackers though.

    Here is a little test. All you gotta do is find a really good hiding spot in a semi heavy marine traffic zone and don't move, not even the mouse. Most marines simply run right underneath you. But the assumed cheater will nail you in a heartbeat as soon as he even goes close to you. Did I make a sound? Was I on MT? no, no 

    If the guy you think is cheating doesn't notice you, then you probably have a genuine awesome player. If they do notice you, then they are hacking. 

    One server I was on had a guy who could find me anywhere I was hiding, and I had cloak, wow. how blatant can it get?

    We need VAC for NS already, I wish they would hurry. Whip them with the ban sticks.

    Does Cheating Death work still? I haven't tried it yet since 3.0 final, How well does it work in fighting hacks? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude, just read this , including the IMAGES section.

    These guys DO NOT cheat. Search for "teppla" on these forums, if you are not convinced.<a href='http://teppla.com/txt/' target='_blank'>SITE</a>
  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
    Most problaly they are just too good,
    or problaly the pubs suck too much.

    btw, if u dun want to see any cheaters, go do some single player games, or else just live with it.
  • ProfLiebstromProfLiebstrom Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31292Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Apr 13 2005, 08:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Apr 13 2005, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your assumed cheater, is cautious, knows the map, isn't stupid, is probably a high level clan member aliased.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the guy you think is cheating doesn't notice you, then you probably have a genuine awesome player. If they do notice you, then they are hacking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A genuine awesome player antisipates every possible location you may be hiding.

    Getting 50 / 3 as marine it isn't hard in the publics just now.

    This kind of accusation is a joke, happened to myself and two friends yestarday, just because we were top 3 on marines, we became : cheaters, noobs for spawn camping (2 shoot hive one covers... common practice : Its really very funny how many players expect you to allow them to kill you, simply because you are in the hive room), were skilless (as informed by a guy who's only means of killing was xeno).

    I just don't believe you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    People like that are funny.....calling you a noob because you are killing them......I still don't know how they work that out....
  • TheJimTheJim Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34080Members, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Reeke+Apr 13 2005, 08:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Reeke @ Apr 13 2005, 08:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> believe me, 99% of the time they aint cheating.


    they're just good, im guessing they also jump around like they're on crack? some people are just very good as marine, and hardly ever go alien because they can get massive kill/death ratios because skulks cant do nothing to them, even if the skulk manages to get up close. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Quoted for truth as i know reeke can spot me when i have cloak and am in a dark corner! Basically you can train yourself to see the cloakers even in dark corners!

    I know my admins banned reeke twice because they thought he was wall hacking or whatever and i have unbanned him twice and basically warned all my admins after the 2nd time!

    Basically i told my them that if they don't have a demo for me to see then they can't ban someone who is supposidly cheating and if they do ban without the demo i will revoke their admin and as far as i know since then ppl like reeke haven't been banned yet.

    Anyway im assuming its the same reeke! Sorry if u aint but it is a good example!

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This kind of accusation is a joke, happened to myself and two friends yestarday, just because we were top 3 on marines, we became : cheaters, noobs for spawn camping (2 shoot hive one covers... common practice : Its really very funny how many players expect you to allow them to kill you, simply because you are in the hive room), were skilless (as informed by a guy who's only means of killing was xeno).
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thats not spawn camping in my books, i hate it when ppl accuse a team of 3 of spawn camping when 2 destroy structures and 1 covers, it is a good tactic. But if there was no one destroying structures then thats spawn camping!
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-keep it Gangsta+Apr 13 2005, 09:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (keep it Gangsta @ Apr 13 2005, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well there is of course a simple way of solving this problem. If you suspect someone is cheating, simply take a demo with his steamID, and send it to the server admins.

    ta da! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah G, I saw this 'Shockwave' guy on your servers the other day..... *Grin*

    Golden - He's quite right. Just contact the admins of the server, but be aware I get that one for killing skulks above doorways all the time.

    One little-used feature of the human brain is the memory. I often watch skulks go up above doorways, where they sit for 30-40 seconds, and I still <b>remember</b> watching them go up there when I shoot them. Skulks seem to assume you have goldfish memory, and forget anything not in your LOS. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    - Shockwave
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23688
    yeah its the same reeke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    imo the way rines can do this, it shows how its still marine > skulk even with the free upgrades, a decent rine can track celerty skulks, newbies STILL think there completly invisable when walking around cloaked, focus is useless for skulks after armour 1... silence/carpace are really the only upgrades that can help them in the early game.

    and some rines can pretty much out-maneuver a skulk at close range.
  • CloistCloist Join Date: 2004-02-04 Member: 26041Members
    Half decent players know about skulk hiding places and will check by instinct.
    What DarkFrost is true your accusations and way of thinking are a joke tbh.
  • Mac1OManMac1OMan Join Date: 2004-10-29 Member: 32510Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    yes there is always a reason... you can never fully accuse someone of cheating on this game... when you have motion tracking, or you get to close to there obs... and normaly on public servers an expert owns a noob team... its seriously not that hard to do...
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    gamma boosters. grr. >8*|
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    I use a plugin on my server that allows admins to have total stealth while moving about the map. It only works until your opponent gets motion or soc, but if they absolutely cannot see you yet they attack you, guaranteed they're running an aimbot or wallhacks. This assumes you remain completely silent during your stalking...
  • SandstormSandstorm Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21205Members
    edited April 2005
    Cheating does exist, but there are plenty of false accusations. However, as far as I'm aware, cheaters are far more likely to play Marines and use an aimbot. If a player dominates as an Alien, it is very unlikely they are cheating.

    Edit:
    Depot - It's possible for the plugin to block the blips generated specifically by the Admin, so that Motion and SOF are no longer a concern.
  • GoldenShadowGoldenShadow Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 483Members
    If you think they don't then explain why when I spectated them, they would run right through the map, not looking in any dark corners or above doorways when they go through unless there was an alien ambushing there. Its one thing to know all of the good ambushing spots, its another to know which one the aliens are using.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23688
    mt?
    sound?

    also, an experienced marine will have a good idea of what is going on in the map, and what sections the aliens are most likley to be in due to starting hives, choke points etc.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sandstorm+Apr 13 2005, 09:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandstorm @ Apr 13 2005, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Edit:
    Depot - It's possible for the plugin to block the blips generated specifically by the Admin, so that Motion and SOF are no longer a concern. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Pm me regarding this - I'd be happy to share the plugin with you.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    Personally i am just glad, that most cheaters tend to prefer co over ns <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Maybe it's my choice of servers, but I've only seen 2 cheats in three years of NS.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sandstorm+Apr 13 2005, 09:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandstorm @ Apr 13 2005, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Edit:
    Depot - It's possible for the plugin to block the blips generated specifically by the Admin, so that Motion and SOF are no longer a concern. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Pm me regarding this - I'd be happy to share the plugin with you.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23688
    i havent seen very many cheaters either, very few actually, just seen alot of people that must play ns as rines 24/7 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Soloution to Cheaters?

    Join a good server.

    I have played NS from release (I still suck but that is a different matter). I tend to stick to one or 2 servers (generaly LM) and I have seen one cheater (it was blatent cheating also) who was promptly banned when some one paged an admin in the chan.
  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Wasn't a cheater, it was a clanner ++
  • GoldenGolden Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31169Members, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    Good way to tell if its is cheater is to just watch them play. If they jump like they're on crack, they're probably a good player. If they don't jump AT ALL, I'd put my money on them cheating.
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    Cheating is so rare in NS we should be gratefull. Just wait until NS falls under supported games by Valve. Thats when the trouble will begin.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    I only saw speedhackers in NS always. never anything else, I never saw anything I could not pull off (on a good day). Only speedhacks. (a HA outrunning a celerity blinking fade, not in this life)
  • GoldenShadowGoldenShadow Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 483Members
    speedhacks in NS stand apart from the crowd, but a wallhack or aimbot is more subtle and is always confused with skills because of the in-game features like SOF and motion tracking
  • s1nss1ns Join Date: 2004-03-05 Member: 27148Members
    edited April 2005
    not that hard to go 50/3 as u point out when skulks in pubs just walk at you in a straight line one after another thinking hey it didnt work when i walked towards him and he standing at the end of a long hall maybe it will work this time!
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Apr 13 2005, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Apr 13 2005, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cheating is so rare in NS we should be gratefull. Just wait until NS falls under supported games by Valve. Thats when the trouble will begin. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    qft
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