Technically, explosions with fire wouldn't even happen in space, just like there's no sound in space. No air mean no oxygen to feed fires, which would immediatley extinguish them if they managed to exit the ships hull.
<!--QuoteBegin-Testament+Apr 15 2005, 12:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Apr 15 2005, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Technically, explosions with fire wouldn't even happen in space, just like there's no sound in space. No air mean no oxygen to feed fires, which would immediatley extinguish them if they managed to exit the ships hull. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <_< isnt that common sense?
but we are talking about star wars here .... a distant galaxy, long long time ago, with space filled with oxygen .... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
yeah... its very possible that a explosion can happen in space... you have a fire burning as long the fire is supplied with oxygen.. only you wont hear anything about it... its not entirely true that a flame stops to burn when it leaves a ships hull... when the flame can get out ,the oxygen can get out too and fuels the flame
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edited April 2005
For a split second yes, but you would barely be able to see it. Of course, we all know the reason for explosion fireballs and sound in space is that it would be boring without it.
enough energy + matter = gas & heat. I'd suppose that a huge ball would have enough oxygen, hydrogen, and other material to make a large explosion, even in space. And probably for longer than a split second.
Wouldn't the explosion consume all the oxygen in the blink of an eye? With no other source of oxygen other than a small ammount released into space, it wouldn't be much of an explosion, or at least not one that would last long.
for all the not chemistry advanced people of you: fires don´t have to be fueled by gasous oxygen. There are many oxidants out there, wich are providing the needed oxygen, without transmitting it over the gas phase. Many nowaday explosive work that way, adn some experimental fuel do aswell.
And of couse there are reaction types, wich produce a lot of energy (e.g. light and heat) without needing oxygen at all.
So fireballs in space are completly and easily possible.
no sound though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> well, basically there is a sound, but since the density of the medium (very low) it travels at very low speeds, so you would be hit by the explosion before you wound hear it (and the sound would be very faint, if at all noticable by the human ear)
<!--QuoteBegin-Testament+Apr 14 2005, 10:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Apr 14 2005, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Technically, explosions with fire wouldn't even happen in space, just like there's no sound in space. No air mean no oxygen to feed fires, which would immediatley extinguish them if they managed to exit the ships hull. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm what do you think all those things inside the deathstar were breathing? Water?
Its a moon for all we know it could have been on the other side of the planet that it was orbiting when the debre was flying around.
What was powering the Death Star? I remember the power core, what's saying it's not atomic or somthing? I havn't watched RotJ in a couple of years, but that makes sence.
An atomic explosion in space, surrounded by gases and metals like Oxygen, iron, nitrogen etc would produce a visable explosion in space for a bit, much the same way the sun does, if only for a short while then would disapate very quickly.
If that was the case, the energy needed to run a station of that size would need to be really powerfull, and the resulting explotion, especially from within the center of the thing possibly would destroy the fragments, or make them really small.
However, they could die of radiantion poisioning <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Apr 14 2005, 09:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Apr 14 2005, 09:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What was powering the Death Star? I remember the power core, what's saying it's not atomic or somthing? I havn't watched RotJ in a couple of years, but that makes sence.
An atomic explosion in space, surrounded by gases and metals like Oxygen, iron, nitrogen etc would produce a visable explosion in space for a bit, much the same way the sun does, if only for a short while then would disapate very quickly.
If that was the case, the energy needed to run a station of that size would need to be really powerfull, and the resulting explotion, especially from within the center of the thing possibly would destroy the fragments, or make them really small.
However, they could die of radiantion poisioning <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's powered by a hypermatter reactor.
And sheena, the Death Star couldn't do that since the superlaser took forever to recharge.
Obviously the atmospheric friction will burn down most of the remnants so that once they hit the ground, they're no bigger than the head of a Chihuahua.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jasp+Apr 14 2005, 04:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jasp @ Apr 14 2005, 04:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Correct me if im wrong, but was thier not a big party on the planet at the end of the film? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps that party actually took place in Heaven.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+Apr 14 2005, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ Apr 14 2005, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->for all the not chemistry advanced people of you: fires don´t have to be fueled by gasous oxygen. There are many oxidants out there, wich are providing the needed oxygen, without transmitting it over the gas phase. Many nowaday explosive work that way, adn some experimental fuel do aswell.
And of couse there are reaction types, wich produce a lot of energy (e.g. light and heat) without needing oxygen at all.
So fireballs in space are completly and easily possible.
no sound though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> well, basically there is a sound, but since the density of the medium (very low) it travels at very low speeds, so you would be hit by the explosion before you wound hear it (and the sound would be very faint, if at all noticable by the human ear)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Space ships are not made of explosives (well, we can only hope). If their fuel cells were to explode, you wouldn't see a fireball, although you would probably get to see the ship explode. So far the closest thing to a good argument for fireballs in space has been Caboose's, and that is a special case.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its a moon for all we know it could have been on the other side of the planet that it was orbiting when the debre was flying around.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you suggesting that they put the shield <i>through</i> the planet? That seems pretty farfetched to me.
Observation: The movie only has to make sense if that means that Ewoks get killed. Anything else, like for example the presence of MAGIC (only it's not magic, it's FORCE, so it makes sense!), is PERFECTLY acceptable. But if an Ewok survives due to just the slightest flaw in logic, then surely it must be assumed that that Ewok did not survive after all. Suck it up, people. At least you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that Jar-Jar Binks is probably dead of old age or something in Ep. 4.
<!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Apr 14 2005, 10:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Apr 14 2005, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Obviously the atmospheric friction will burn down most of the remnants so that once they hit the ground, they're no bigger than the head of a Chihuahua.
No point discussing this subject. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Honestly, you can't discount an entire webpage which has pages and pages of analysis and evidence without READING it first. Of course the stuff burns up; it becomes dust which triggers a nuclear winter.
Won't they have a bunch of oxygen <b>stored</b> though? Even if they have air recyclers(because its sci-fi), they'd want some backup air. Quite a lot of it in fact, being a space station and all...
The problem is, all the oxygen would be in the same general area, and while I am fairly stupid, I'd assume that because of that, it would all get consumed into one gigantic explosion that petered out quickly because there was no oxygen being sucked in. It was already where the explosion was, being consumed almost instantly.
You're critising a giant sphere of metal which fires BIG flipping LASER BEAMS that destroy entire planets whilst people who can control a mysterious force which can seemingly do anything inculding "fire" flipping LIGHTENING OUT OF THEIR flipping HANDS as well as using SWORDS MADE OUT OF "LASERS".
Like my simple little points stated, it is just a movie. Things don't have to make sense. It is for sheer enjoyment, and was not meant to be picked apart and analyzed.
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<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Apr 14 2005, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Apr 14 2005, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Observation: The movie only has to make sense if that means that Ewoks get killed. Anything else, like for example the presence of MAGIC (only it's not magic, it's FORCE, so it makes sense!), is PERFECTLY acceptable. But if an Ewok survives due to just the slightest flaw in logic, then surely it must be assumed that that Ewok did not survive after all. Suck it up, people. At least you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that Jar-Jar Binks is probably dead of old age or something in Ep. 4. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The only good Ewok is a dead Ewok!
<!--QuoteBegin-Jimmeh+Apr 14 2005, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Apr 14 2005, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just enjoy the movie for **** sake. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But but but criticizing things fills the void in my life!
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<_< isnt that common sense?
but we are talking about star wars here .... a distant galaxy, long long time ago, with space filled with oxygen .... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
its very possible that a explosion can happen in space... you have a fire burning as long the fire is supplied with oxygen.. only you wont hear anything about it...
its not entirely true that a flame stops to burn when it leaves a ships hull... when the flame can get out ,the oxygen can get out too and fuels the flame
Also it would have burned up in the atmosphere regardless of how close it is. For it to really destroy the planet, it would have to be huge.
Ambassador, it would help if you were to read the article linked to in the first post.
fires don´t have to be fueled by gasous oxygen.
There are many oxidants out there, wich are providing the needed oxygen, without transmitting it over the gas phase.
Many nowaday explosive work that way, adn some experimental fuel do aswell.
And of couse there are reaction types, wich produce a lot of energy (e.g. light and heat) without needing oxygen at all.
So fireballs in space are completly and easily possible.
no sound though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
well, basically there is a sound, but since the density of the medium (very low) it travels at very low speeds, so you would be hit by the explosion before you wound hear it (and the sound would be very faint, if at all noticable by the human ear)
Umm what do you think all those things inside the deathstar were breathing? Water?
Its a moon for all we know it could have been on the other side of the planet that it was orbiting when the debre was flying around.
An atomic explosion in space, surrounded by gases and metals like Oxygen, iron, nitrogen etc would produce a visable explosion in space for a bit, much the same way the sun does, if only for a short while then would disapate very quickly.
If that was the case, the energy needed to run a station of that size would need to be really powerfull, and the resulting explotion, especially from within the center of the thing possibly would destroy the fragments, or make them really small.
However, they could die of radiantion poisioning <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
An atomic explosion in space, surrounded by gases and metals like Oxygen, iron, nitrogen etc would produce a visable explosion in space for a bit, much the same way the sun does, if only for a short while then would disapate very quickly.
If that was the case, the energy needed to run a station of that size would need to be really powerfull, and the resulting explotion, especially from within the center of the thing possibly would destroy the fragments, or make them really small.
However, they could die of radiantion poisioning <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's powered by a hypermatter reactor.
And sheena, the Death Star couldn't do that since the superlaser took forever to recharge.
No point discussing this subject.
Perhaps that party actually took place in Heaven.
fires don´t have to be fueled by gasous oxygen.
There are many oxidants out there, wich are providing the needed oxygen, without transmitting it over the gas phase.
Many nowaday explosive work that way, adn some experimental fuel do aswell.
And of couse there are reaction types, wich produce a lot of energy (e.g. light and heat) without needing oxygen at all.
So fireballs in space are completly and easily possible.
no sound though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
well, basically there is a sound, but since the density of the medium (very low) it travels at very low speeds, so you would be hit by the explosion before you wound hear it (and the sound would be very faint, if at all noticable by the human ear)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Space ships are not made of explosives (well, we can only hope). If their fuel cells were to explode, you wouldn't see a fireball, although you would probably get to see the ship explode. So far the closest thing to a good argument for fireballs in space has been Caboose's, and that is a special case.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its a moon for all we know it could have been on the other side of the planet that it was orbiting when the debre was flying around.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you suggesting that they put the shield <i>through</i> the planet? That seems pretty farfetched to me.
Suck it up, people. At least you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that Jar-Jar Binks is probably dead of old age or something in Ep. 4.
No point discussing this subject. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Honestly, you can't discount an entire webpage which has pages and pages of analysis and evidence without READING it first. Of course the stuff burns up; it becomes dust which triggers a nuclear winter.
Quite a lot of it in fact, being a space station and all...
A.
flipping.
Movie.
You're critising a giant sphere of metal which fires BIG flipping LASER BEAMS that destroy entire planets whilst people who can control a mysterious force which can seemingly do anything inculding "fire" flipping LIGHTENING OUT OF THEIR flipping HANDS as well as using SWORDS MADE OUT OF "LASERS".
Just enjoy the movie for **** sake.
2. It is not real
3. IT'S A MOVIE
Like my simple little points stated, it is just a movie. Things don't have to make sense. It is for sheer enjoyment, and was not meant to be picked apart and analyzed.
Suck it up, people. At least you can comfort yourselves with the knowledge that Jar-Jar Binks is probably dead of old age or something in Ep. 4. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The only good Ewok is a dead Ewok!
But but but criticizing things fills the void in my life!