Super Volcano.

Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
edited April 2005 in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">It's in the park!</div> The beauty of America's Yellowstone National Park masks one of the rarest and most destructive forces on Earth - a supervolcano. A new question is begged: 'What if Yellowstone erupted?'
The occurrence of a super-eruption would have severe environmental effects and might threaten global civilisation. Discuss.

Supr Edit: (if the yellowstone volcano erupted, Australia would only experience a 7 degree temperature change, but volcanic ash would not cause a major climate problem, apart from rain pattern alteration. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

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  • HandmanHandman Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Members
    lets hope it doesnt errupt. Do you have any sites with info bout this, it sounds interesting,
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yea, I saw a show about it on National Geographic. Terrible stuff; 60 mile instant-kill radius, 1,000 mile radius in which you can die from inhaling the ash (which happens to cause a nasty disease that makes the bones grow very fast), and the rest of the world would basically suffer the eqivalent of a nuclear winter without the fallout. They said they don't know if it will erupt in 0 or 100,000 years, but it will. However, one of the people on the show said that the magma chamber was only about 10% full of a certain type of magma that is needed to cause a real catastrophic eruption. Still, they said the ground in Yellowstone actually rose a few feet in the past 70 years, and some trails had to be closed because it was simply getting too hot.
  • LinkLink Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1510Members
    Whilst discussion is by all means valid, all the discussion in the world, or come to that, any human effort, cannot stop it should it decide to erupt.

    Whether it wipes out a surrounding area, or causes massive global environmental change isn't all that relative, if it happens, we can't change it.

    In terms of discussion, I think the prevalent objective must be an attempt to discover when it will erupt, and possibly, ideas on how to stem the death it reaps
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Here's a discovery.com feature on it:

    <a href='http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/under/under.html' target='_blank'>http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/super...nder/under.html</a>
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    I could be talking rubbish here as I don't know the exact science but would it be possible do reduce the pressure? Cause small eruptions now so that large ones don't take place?

    I'm not sure why I'm asking you guys, it's a rhetorical question really <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    I wouldn't worry about it. There's nothing we can do.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    Yet another reason we need to get off this planet pronto :p

    I must admit the idea of siphoning off magma/pressure occurred to me too but do we know enough or more importantly have the tech to do it? I'd imagine that drilling/digging/whatever would be rendered impossible due to the insane levels of heat and even if we can then what's to stop it going out of control?
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    In that same National Geographic show someone proposed venting it with drills, but there is no technology to drill deep enough and even if we managed to it would be a "pinprick."
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    not to mention the sudden lowering of pressure is what causes this thing to blow so spectacularly.

    And that Discovery channel thing said the volcano was overdue to explode... by a few tens of thousands of years if I remember correctly. (Judging by the geological layers of surrunding terrain)
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Private Coleman+Apr 22 2005, 07:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Apr 22 2005, 07:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Supr Edit: (if the yellowstone volcano erupted, Australia would only experience a 7 degree temperature change, but volcanic ash would not cause a major climate problem, apart from rain pattern alteration. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, considering the eruption of Krakatoa affected weather patterns worldwise, causing the "Year without a Summer" in Europe, and taking into account how much larger this volcano is compared to Krakatoa....yeah, I'd say the world would experience considerably more turbulence than just some rain pattern alteration.

    Also, let us not forget what area this volcano will hit the hardest: the American midwest. The part of the country where all of the grain is grown. The grain that we export at very cheap prices to other countries that can't grow their own food. When Yellowstone blows, all that farmland is going to be blanketed in ash, turning it into a wasteland. Global food production will take a noticeable hit. Between this, and the fact that another "year without summer" would kill crops worldwide, I believe that there will be a mass famine and general starvation in many 3rd world countries, and economic havoc in all developed countries.

    So....anyone got a drill? <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • HandmanHandman Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So....anyone got a drill? marine.gif<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I got a shovel and a pick.

    Didn't someone just recently reach a record depth for drilling? I'll try to find it when I get back from a review session for a final everyone is going to fail, go me.

    Couldn't venting it potentially weaken the crust around the area and just accelerate its erruption?
  • RobertoRoberto Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14591Members, Constellation
    ash is great for growing, too bad the sun won't be shining there for a bit.
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    blow the sunuvabitch early! Induce a small eruption via a large detonation in the magma chamber!
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    Yes, it is kinda depressing knowing that I live only a few hundred miles away.

    On the bright side if it does blow up I won't have to go to work that day. :-)

    IRC... drilling could very easily provoke it to erupt with even more violence then it would on its own. Its like when you shake up a bottle of soda, poke it with a pin and it will start shooting out quite nicely for a long time, but it does weaken the entire plastic around it. If you had some baking soda and vinegar in there.. it cracks the surrounding plastic, and occasionally puts a hole in it.

    Yeah... no one go near there with a drill pls. :-)
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    I remember seeing somthing, that a smaller (still really big) volcano, anmed Tamboro, erupted somewhere in southeast Aisia on an island somewhere in 1815, in 1816, the global temperature dropped and the world was a nasty place. Crops failed, people starved, yea... The last comparable volcano was about 74,000 years ago, and caused <i>dramatic</i> temperature drops, not no sissy little Tambora drop.

    Yellowstone has erupted in the past too, and even it's smallest eruption was 5 times larger than the Tambora eruption.

    <a href='http://www.dandantheweatherman.com/Bereklauw/yearnosummer.html' target='_blank'>readme</a>

    I'm glad I'm only a couple hundred miles from Yellowstone, maybe I could die faster that way, then the rest of the world can suffer! mwahahaha
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    edited April 2005
    The giant volcano is obviously nature's counterbalance to <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92321' target='_blank'>Global Warming</a>!


    Whether or not explosions actually relieve tectonic pressure is inconclusive (although most results point to transferring the stress around the plate instead of dssipating it...even with earthquakes). Probably just better off letting it go on how it wants <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .

    Then again, it probably wont happen in our lifetime (I demand more cool stuff while I'm alive <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). Or, maybe it's a part of that "Benedict XVI is the last pope before the devil-pope and subsequent apocalypse" thing...from the PopeThread <span style='font-size:6pt;line-height:100%'>™</span>

    Personally, I'm still waiting for that volcano to pop up in LA...


    [edit: in other news, much like my "Battle of Hastings" post, this post number is brought to you by British ships capturing American sailors and subsequently starting a war which resulted in a burned capital building and lots of lost battles.]
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    It shows no signs of going off. No need to worry our heads off.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Apr 22 2005, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Apr 22 2005, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It shows no signs of going off. No need to worry our heads off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The ground in the Yellowstone caldera has been measured to be rising, swelling with the pressure. Geologically, we're overdue for an eruption. While the probability of the eruption coming in our lifetimes is probably pretty small, given how long geological processes take, I would say that that eruption is coming in at most 200 years. Plenty of time to prepare; of course, it could always blow sooner.
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    I'm sure its been rising for a long time now, ever since it last erupted. As we all know heat likes to go up and when you have 5000C of magma (tempature guess <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) under ground I think we should expect the ground to go up a bit.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    But that's the thing, the rate at which it's rising is increasing. Apparently people measure these things quite frequently, and they have been doing it for long enough to tell that the volcano is definitely getting more and more active.
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Apr 22 2005, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Apr 22 2005, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm glad I'm only a couple hundred miles from Yellowstone, maybe I could die faster that way, then the rest of the world can suffer! mwahahaha <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, you're in the "slow and painful but certain death" zone. Where the ash gets into your bloodstream from your lungs and makes your bones grow fast enough to hurt really, really bad while you get only enough oxygen to live on...

    So yea, it's gonna suck more than the really really cold winter I'm gonna have to put up with. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    Actually when you inhale the ash it would be like nails stabbing through your lungs. And it is unclear whether or not the volcano will give off Fluorine gas F<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>2</span> which causes abnormal bone growth.

    Another point of interest is that the bible marks the end of the world with a blood red moon and destruction by fire, both of which would be apparent in the case of eruption.
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Apr 22 2005, 03:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Apr 22 2005, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ash is great for growing, too bad the sun won't be shining there for a bit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is probably why the midwest is so furtile to begin with. I mean, the air currents have something to do with it, but it makes alot of sense to me that when this thing erupts it lays furtile ground down all around the midwest that we can use for growing after the sky clears. Kind of like a reverse trojan horse, though...
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