<!--QuoteBegin-Thaldarin+May 6 2005, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ May 6 2005, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rellix+May 6 2005, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ May 6 2005, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Olmy+May 6 2005, 03:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Olmy @ May 6 2005, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Conservatives made a significant comeback too, which is worrying. At least Michael Howard is stepping down, maybe they will vote in someone who is rubbish again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Did anyone else see the newspaper that morphed Howards face into Thatchers over 6 picutres?
Im telling you hes Thatcher in disquise! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They also portrayed him as Dracula, I think it was on the cover of Wednesdays Mirror.
Personally Lib Dem was the party I wanted, although they some how lost seats. I was talking with some tutors and parents today and it seemed alot of them that used to be Labour switched to Conservative. A few wanted to vote Lib Dem but didn't do so because they wanted Labour out of government so much that they went with the currently bigger party.
On a side note... Gordon Brown for Tory Leader <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What are you talking about? The Lib Dems didn't lose seats, they gained them. They now have 62 seats, the highest their party has ever had for decades.
Even more impressive is that they got 23% of the vote. If proportional representation was in effect they would have much more than a mere 60 odd seats.
This year I found it particularly tough because no, one party appealed to me wholly. I voted Lib Dem but I cringe at their motion to do away with tuition fees.
We have enough people at University as it is, a lot of whom drop out or switch degrees because they haven't properly thought it through. We need to have some way of making sure that people who want to work for their degrees should be at University, one of those ways is top-up fees, another would be more tougher entry requirements. The problem is that many Universities have just turned into enterprises, getting in as many students as possible. Portsmouth Uni, for example, as had an influx of some 8000 in the last few years and is expecting a lot more to come, yet at the same time their typical offer is of 3 Cs <b>and lower</b>. A C is "average", surely University should be made up of intellectuals or at least those who show greater ability, not the sub-average.
I fear that if tuition fees were abolished, there would be even more people at University, the students would be less prepared to work for higher grades and the average grades would get lower. Then the standard of University degree would have to be fiddled to create a new (lower) average grade and the British higher education system would lose its good reputation for producing people who can apply themselves to learning new skills in whichever business they go into.
<!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+May 6 2005, 11:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ May 6 2005, 11:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We have enough people at University as it is, a lot of whom drop out or switch degrees because they haven't properly thought it through. We need to have some way of making sure that people who want to work for their degrees should be at University, one of those ways is top-up fees, another would be more tougher entry requirements. The problem is that many Universities have just turned into enterprises, getting in as many students as possible. Portsmouth Uni, for example, as had an influx of some 8000 in the last few years and is expecting a lot more to come, yet at the same time their typical offer is of 3 Cs <b>and lower</b>. A C is "average", surely University should be made up of intellectuals or at least those who show greater ability, not the sub-average.
I fear that if tuition fees were abolished, there would be even more people at University, the students would be less prepared to work for higher grades and the average grades would get lower. Then the standard of University degree would have to be fiddled to create a new (lower) average grade and the British higher education system would lose its good reputation for producing people who can apply themselves to learning new skills in whichever business they go into. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good god, no.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+May 6 2005, 05:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ May 6 2005, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Thaldarin+May 6 2005, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ May 6 2005, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rellix+May 6 2005, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ May 6 2005, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Olmy+May 6 2005, 03:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Olmy @ May 6 2005, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Conservatives made a significant comeback too, which is worrying. At least Michael Howard is stepping down, maybe they will vote in someone who is rubbish again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Did anyone else see the newspaper that morphed Howards face into Thatchers over 6 picutres?
Im telling you hes Thatcher in disquise! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They also portrayed him as Dracula, I think it was on the cover of Wednesdays Mirror.
Personally Lib Dem was the party I wanted, although they some how lost seats. I was talking with some tutors and parents today and it seemed alot of them that used to be Labour switched to Conservative. A few wanted to vote Lib Dem but didn't do so because they wanted Labour out of government so much that they went with the currently bigger party.
On a side note... Gordon Brown for Tory Leader <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What are you talking about? The Lib Dems didn't lose seats, they gained them. They now have 62 seats, the highest their party has ever had for decades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He probably meant they lost a couple of their seats to other parties. Not sure which ones, if they did infact lose any at all.
[edit] Crispy, thats some pretty flawed reasoning. You're saying we should introduce tuition fees to discourage some people from going to uni who wouldn't work hard? Heres the thing, tuition fees are most likely to discourage students with little financial support, rather than lazy people. Why should your right to go to uni/college be based upon how much money you have? I do agree however, that too many people are going to university at the moment, that labour's 50% target is rediculous and pompous. Sorry for the OT. Oh wait..
Theres an interesting local independent candidate by the name of Holme where I live, he's a facist religious zealot, really interesting stuff. Among other things he believes that if you reject God you will become a homosexual. He's been charged many a time with breaching the peace and the like <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Gotta love the crazy ones.
I've never been into politics but I've always been fascinated with the intense and often pointless rivalry. Interestingly enough, our school did a mock election on wednesday. When the BNP beat Labour you just know that some people aren't taking it seriously.
Well the Labour majority is down to 66 seats and even those are held by the anti new-labour, left wing, old Labour Mp's. A lot of Blair's old support has now gone, so a lot of his more radical bills will not pass, thank god. Above all, he will have to work closely with Gordon Brown as they have campaigned together but not actually governed together before...it should be about 18 months before Blair hands power over to Gordon.
<!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+May 6 2005, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ May 6 2005, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We have enough people at University as it is, a lot of whom drop out or switch degrees because they haven't properly thought it through. We need to have some way of making sure that people who want to work for their degrees should be at University, one of those ways is top-up fees, another would be more tougher entry requirements. The problem is that many Universities have just turned into enterprises, getting in as many students as possible. Portsmouth Uni, for example, as had an influx of some 8000 in the last few years and is expecting a lot more to come, yet at the same time their typical offer is of 3 Cs <b>and lower</b>. A C is "average", surely University should be made up of intellectuals or at least those who show greater ability, not the sub-average.
I fear that if tuition fees were abolished, there would be even more people at University, the students would be less prepared to work for higher grades and the average grades would get lower. Then the standard of University degree would have to be fiddled to create a new (lower) average grade and the British higher education system would lose its good reputation for producing people who can apply themselves to learning new skills in whichever business they go into.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So becuase I was swayed by my teachers; high A Level grades and enthusiasm for a degree worth all the hard work thus making a bad descion in choosing a degree course that I loved at school but soon learned to hate (Physics), had a nervous break down in trying to keep up with it and then in the end deciding to transfer to the Chemistry department this time last year, where not only have I had a much more fun time, but the time and effort I put into my studies is being rewarded with good marks so far (should be a first come the exams at the end of the month), I should be forced into huge debt to pay top up fees?
I have a brother going to university next year and another joining the 6th Form. My dad works 13 hours a day, <b>everyday</b> of the week in his own business to support his family and allow us to get the education needed so that we don't have to work as long hours as he does. Yet becuase he has two sons at university and (hopefully) a third in 2 years time he has to work even longer hours to make sure his sons don't get into huge debt by having to pay top up fees?
People make mistakes in choosing their degree. Many of my friends have. It's called learning from life and it's why universities exist - to learn. I agree some University courses are stupid and pointless and that the commercialisation of them is bad, but don't lump people who choose worth while courses, making a mistake in doing so, who then decide to change to something a little different in order to still go further in their education, with the group who just go there to put off getting a real job.
Just becuase some people want to go to university doesn't mean their families are made of money and can be pumped vigourously for it.
(Admin's note: If you want to discuss deeper about tution fees, there's a shiny Discussion forum right below this one. And expect me to chime in, we're currently protesting against their implementation in Germany.)
Bah, Labour. Did anyone see how nearly every single Comedy program involved someone making fun of the fixed postal votes? Dead ringers, have I got News for You? etc...
To be honest I think A great deal of people voted for Lib Dem this time around and we good measure. Conservative seems to be more bothered with slagging people off and Labour just ignore their policies (Labour, giving power to the working class).
Lib dem seems the perfect middle for me. I believe in a better Britain but i don't want to have my life taxed away just because I come from a richer family and I most certainly disagree with a Conservative government
Remember these are just opinions from one bloke, don't get offended if the oppose your views
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Did anyone else see the newspaper that morphed Howards face into Thatchers over 6 picutres?
Im telling you hes Thatcher in disquise! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They also portrayed him as Dracula, I think it was on the cover of Wednesdays Mirror.
Personally Lib Dem was the party I wanted, although they some how lost seats. I was talking with some tutors and parents today and it seemed alot of them that used to be Labour switched to Conservative. A few wanted to vote Lib Dem but didn't do so because they wanted Labour out of government so much that they went with the currently bigger party.
On a side note... Gordon Brown for Tory Leader <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about? The Lib Dems didn't lose seats, they gained them. They now have 62 seats, the highest their party has ever had for decades.
This year I found it particularly tough because no, one party appealed to me wholly. I voted Lib Dem but I cringe at their motion to do away with tuition fees.
We have enough people at University as it is, a lot of whom drop out or switch degrees because they haven't properly thought it through. We need to have some way of making sure that people who want to work for their degrees should be at University, one of those ways is top-up fees, another would be more tougher entry requirements. The problem is that many Universities have just turned into enterprises, getting in as many students as possible. Portsmouth Uni, for example, as had an influx of some 8000 in the last few years and is expecting a lot more to come, yet at the same time their typical offer is of 3 Cs <b>and lower</b>. A C is "average", surely University should be made up of intellectuals or at least those who show greater ability, not the sub-average.
I fear that if tuition fees were abolished, there would be even more people at University, the students would be less prepared to work for higher grades and the average grades would get lower. Then the standard of University degree would have to be fiddled to create a new (lower) average grade and the British higher education system would lose its good reputation for producing people who can apply themselves to learning new skills in whichever business they go into.
I may return again for another rant.
I fear that if tuition fees were abolished, there would be even more people at University, the students would be less prepared to work for higher grades and the average grades would get lower. Then the standard of University degree would have to be fiddled to create a new (lower) average grade and the British higher education system would lose its good reputation for producing people who can apply themselves to learning new skills in whichever business they go into. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good god, no.
Tuition fees are bad, and reek of privatisation.
Did anyone else see the newspaper that morphed Howards face into Thatchers over 6 picutres?
Im telling you hes Thatcher in disquise! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They also portrayed him as Dracula, I think it was on the cover of Wednesdays Mirror.
Personally Lib Dem was the party I wanted, although they some how lost seats. I was talking with some tutors and parents today and it seemed alot of them that used to be Labour switched to Conservative. A few wanted to vote Lib Dem but didn't do so because they wanted Labour out of government so much that they went with the currently bigger party.
On a side note... Gordon Brown for Tory Leader <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about? The Lib Dems didn't lose seats, they gained them. They now have 62 seats, the highest their party has ever had for decades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He probably meant they lost a couple of their seats to other parties. Not sure which ones, if they did infact lose any at all.
[edit] Crispy, thats some pretty flawed reasoning. You're saying we should introduce tuition fees to discourage some people from going to uni who wouldn't work hard? Heres the thing, tuition fees are most likely to discourage students with little financial support, rather than lazy people. Why should your right to go to uni/college be based upon how much money you have? I do agree however, that too many people are going to university at the moment, that labour's 50% target is rediculous and pompous. Sorry for the OT. Oh wait..
Can't beat them... doing wheel spins outside the paraliiment... awesome!
Gotta love the crazy ones.
I've never been into politics but I've always been fascinated with the intense and often pointless rivalry. Interestingly enough, our school did a mock election on wednesday. When the BNP beat Labour you just know that some people aren't taking it seriously.
I fear that if tuition fees were abolished, there would be even more people at University, the students would be less prepared to work for higher grades and the average grades would get lower. Then the standard of University degree would have to be fiddled to create a new (lower) average grade and the British higher education system would lose its good reputation for producing people who can apply themselves to learning new skills in whichever business they go into.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So becuase I was swayed by my teachers; high A Level grades and enthusiasm for a degree worth all the hard work thus making a bad descion in choosing a degree course that I loved at school but soon learned to hate (Physics), had a nervous break down in trying to keep up with it and then in the end deciding to transfer to the Chemistry department this time last year, where not only have I had a much more fun time, but the time and effort I put into my studies is being rewarded with good marks so far (should be a first come the exams at the end of the month), I should be forced into huge debt to pay top up fees?
I have a brother going to university next year and another joining the 6th Form. My dad works 13 hours a day, <b>everyday</b> of the week in his own business to support his family and allow us to get the education needed so that we don't have to work as long hours as he does. Yet becuase he has two sons at university and (hopefully) a third in 2 years time he has to work even longer hours to make sure his sons don't get into huge debt by having to pay top up fees?
People make mistakes in choosing their degree. Many of my friends have. It's called learning from life and it's why universities exist - to learn. I agree some University courses are stupid and pointless and that the commercialisation of them is bad, but don't lump people who choose worth while courses, making a mistake in doing so, who then decide to change to something a little different in order to still go further in their education, with the group who just go there to put off getting a real job.
Just becuase some people want to go to university doesn't mean their families are made of money and can be pumped vigourously for it.
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To be honest I think A great deal of people voted for Lib Dem this time around and we good measure. Conservative seems to be more bothered with slagging people off and Labour just ignore their policies (Labour, giving power to the working class).
Lib dem seems the perfect middle for me. I believe in a better Britain but i don't want to have my life taxed away just because I come from a richer family and I most certainly disagree with a Conservative government
Remember these are just opinions from one bloke, don't get offended if the oppose your views
I'll post my reply in the discussions forum.