If you really want to try Linux without worrying about buggering anything up, I'd say try <a href='http://www.knoppix.org/' target='_blank'>Knoppix</a> - boot-off-the-CD type Linux, so you don't even need to install it.
While we're at it, Fedora Core 2 had narry a complaint when I installed it on a spare machine a month or two. Just booted into the installer, followed the wizard and off it went.
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What's this about blue screens in windows, since I have w2k and xp(modded) I've never seen one , 98 is a different story, got way better wth 98SE though.
Skipped ME because, well that's the one and only evil Windows there is...
In other words, I might try this on me old Pentium66 or PentiumII300. Now If I only can remember where I put that old 66mhz thingy o.O
they is coming on to me, like medicated baby-heads with the candies and their small bodies with the big heads. I musts not see this evil peguin, it causes the stigmata of the eye.
I wasn't worried it would kill my compy, i just didn't have much disk space back then, so I revitalized a pentium MMX 200 compy and loaded an efficient version of linux, im gonna play with it as a webserver for a few months, and when I upgrade my desktop im gonna use some of the old components to make me a game server.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 22 2005, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 22 2005, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Does it support NTFS? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> NTFS support in ALL distros of linux is sketchy.
For the most part anything with a relitively new kernel can either use NTFS strait away or can get some packages and use it, maybe with the possible exception of boot-from-cd distros (im not really sure).
But yeah, other than that NTFS support for Linux is sorta sketchy =X But then again....I couldn't be bothered to install any other Linux distros because I didn't partition my disk =X
10 copis ordered, 8 x86 and 2 AMD64 in case I decide to upgrade in the near future and can't live without this. The last nix I installed was SuSE 7.summat a few years ago and despite liking it it's lack of 3d support for my gfx card made baby jesus and myself cry. Time for another go it sees.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+May 21 2005, 09:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ May 21 2005, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Zaggy+May 21 2005, 09:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zaggy @ May 21 2005, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still have to see an OS destroying my PC....althought its possible to overclock stuff the software way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Screw up lilo as it writes to your MBR like me, it literally destroyed my HD's geometry. I had to do a low level format (The type that causes the HD to revert to a time before it was used)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ever heard of <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->fdisk /mbr<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> ?
That would let you boot back into Windoze, then you could just bust out whatever partitioning hax you use and start over.
Sounds intriguing. I was thinking of trying FC3 on my notebook at home since I've been using it at work but I may try this out. My main concerns is that I want to be able to play Guild Wars and map for HL/HL2.
Im not going to lie to you, if ALL you want to do is game, Linux is NOT for you. It can be a huge hassle to properly set up cedega, 10x worse if you've never touched unix before.
Also, I said FIXMBR doesn't repair disk geometry errors, for that you need to either run a low level full format or find a disk utility from your HD's manufacturer
Well I also do some coding work <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. If I used linux at home, I'd just like to be able to run some of my games since I would prefer to not worry about duel booting my system.
CommunistWithAGun: That's not something you'd want to do. NTFS ext3 etc. are different structures for organising information (formats) on a disk. If you write to an NTFS partition, treating it like an ext3 parition it won't work and will corrupt it.
What you probably mean is that it would be illegal to either write an NTFS driver for linux or <a href='http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/doc/Architecture.html.pl#law' target='_blank'>use one from windows</a>.
Ubuntu runs on macs too (G3, G4, G5 inc iBooks and Powerbooks)
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 23 2005, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 23 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, so nobody has answered my question yet. Let me rephrase it: Does <i>Ubuntu</i> support NTFS? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, not out of the box
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 24 2005, 04:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 24 2005, 04:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because running a third party app on an operating system that can't read from or write to my hard drive is the easiest thing in the world. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well if you dont want to put the effort into installing a program under linux you probably wont get very far anyway
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If having to do things that are literally impossible is a regular occurence in Linux like you say it is, then you're right, I'm not willing to put the effort in.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 24 2005, 04:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 24 2005, 04:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If having to do things that are literally impossible is a regular occurence in Linux like you say it is, then you're right, I'm not willing to put the effort in. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, literally impossible, its no different than windows except of hammering the next button your typing in 2-3 commands.
<!--QuoteBegin-2ply+May 21 2005, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2ply @ May 21 2005, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Depending on what card you have, the FPS might not be comparable to Windows if you emulate via cedega.
ATI has horrible Linux drivers, as I know firsthand, although it seems they are trying to catch up with nVidia finally.
nVidia has awesome Linux driver. Most people report having a higher FPS on Linux with the nVidia drivers than on Windows. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is TOTALY untrue. The ATI drivers for Linux work really well for me. I have no idea whats wrong with your computer.
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<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+May 24 2005, 03:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ May 24 2005, 03:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+May 24 2005, 04:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ May 24 2005, 04:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If having to do things that are literally impossible is a regular occurence in Linux like you say it is, then you're right, I'm not willing to put the effort in. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, literally impossible, its no different than windows except of hammering the next button your typing in 2-3 commands.
dpkg -i programlocation/name.deb
OR If its an rpm, use alien to convert it to deb.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Explain to me how this command will allow Ubuntu to install your app that will allow it to use NTFS... from an NTFS partition, in 200 worlds or less. Hell, while you're at it, explain to me how I will be able to install Ubuntu in the first place, considering that it can't write to NTFS.
Step 1.) Partition magic 8 or newer, make new drive out of free space Step 2.)Install ubuntu Step 3.) Choose one of the programs that allow NTFS writes Step 4.) Install using dpkg -i
I also wanted to make sure that my last few posts to you pulse were not meant to be insulting <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+May 24 2005, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ May 24 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Get Knoppix or Gnoppix which comes with QTParted to repartition your NTFS drives.
Make an Ext3 partition for Ununtu, and run all of your Linux Apps off of that.
To be able to access your Windows files from Linux, you'd most likley need to rebuild the kernel with NTFS support.
Don't expect to install your software to the NTFS partition (Why one would want to is beyond me...)
You could copy over your music collection, documents various files, that's what it's usefull for. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Kekkee I did the smart thing and use a second harddrive thats a FAT32 format to store all my music. Much easier just doing that than bothing installing NTFS crap.
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While we're at it, Fedora Core 2 had narry a complaint when I installed it on a spare machine a month or two. Just booted into the installer, followed the wizard and off it went.
Skipped ME because, well that's the one and only evil Windows there is...
In other words, I might try this on me old Pentium66 or PentiumII300. Now If I only can remember where I put that old 66mhz thingy o.O
they is coming on to me, like medicated baby-heads with the candies and their small bodies with the big heads. I musts not see this evil peguin, it causes the stigmata of the eye.
Stability and free-ness rox.
NTFS support in ALL distros of linux is sketchy.
But yeah, other than that NTFS support for Linux is sorta sketchy =X
But then again....I couldn't be bothered to install any other Linux distros because I didn't partition my disk =X
Screw up lilo as it writes to your MBR like me, it literally destroyed my HD's geometry. I had to do a low level format (The type that causes the HD to revert to a time before it was used)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ever heard of <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->fdisk /mbr<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> ?
That would let you boot back into Windoze, then you could just bust out whatever partitioning hax you use and start over.
Also, I said FIXMBR doesn't repair disk geometry errors, for that you need to either run a low level full format or find a disk utility from your HD's manufacturer
In fact theres a few open source projects that allow writing to and from NTFS
<a href='http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/freesupport' target='_blank'>http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/support...ons/freesupport</a>
CommunistWithAGun: That's not something you'd want to do. NTFS ext3 etc. are different structures for organising information (formats) on a disk. If you write to an NTFS partition, treating it like an ext3 parition it won't work and will corrupt it.
What you probably mean is that it would be illegal to either write an NTFS driver for linux or <a href='http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/doc/Architecture.html.pl#law' target='_blank'>use one from windows</a>.
Ubuntu runs on macs too (G3, G4, G5 inc iBooks and Powerbooks)
No, not out of the box
Edit: And I already wasted their time and money by ordering a CD. Oh well.
Well if you dont want to put the effort into installing a program under linux you probably wont get very far anyway
lol, literally impossible, its no different than windows except of hammering the next button your typing in 2-3 commands.
dpkg -i programlocation/name.deb
OR If its an rpm, use alien to convert it to deb.
ATI has horrible Linux drivers, as I know firsthand, although it seems they are trying to catch up with nVidia finally.
nVidia has awesome Linux driver. Most people report having a higher FPS on Linux with the nVidia drivers than on Windows. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is TOTALY untrue. The ATI drivers for Linux work really well for me. I have no idea whats wrong with your computer.
lol, literally impossible, its no different than windows except of hammering the next button your typing in 2-3 commands.
dpkg -i programlocation/name.deb
OR If its an rpm, use alien to convert it to deb.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Explain to me how this command will allow Ubuntu to install your app that will allow it to use NTFS... from an NTFS partition, in 200 worlds or less. Hell, while you're at it, explain to me how I will be able to install Ubuntu in the first place, considering that it can't write to NTFS.
Step 2.)Install ubuntu
Step 3.) Choose one of the programs that allow NTFS writes
Step 4.) Install using dpkg -i
I also wanted to make sure that my last few posts to you pulse were not meant to be insulting <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Make an Ext3 partition for Ununtu, and run all of your Linux Apps off of that.
To be able to access your Windows files from Linux, you'd most likley need to rebuild the kernel with NTFS support.
Don't expect to install your software to the NTFS partition (Why one would want to is beyond me...)
You could copy over your music collection, documents various files, that's what it's usefull for.
Make an Ext3 partition for Ununtu, and run all of your Linux Apps off of that.
To be able to access your Windows files from Linux, you'd most likley need to rebuild the kernel with NTFS support.
Don't expect to install your software to the NTFS partition (Why one would want to is beyond me...)
You could copy over your music collection, documents various files, that's what it's usefull for. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kekkee I did the smart thing and use a second harddrive thats a FAT32 format to store all my music. Much easier just doing that than bothing installing NTFS crap.