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V_MAN · May 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">????</div> I never knew the Nazis used B-17s, maybe they rebuilt a crashed one perhaps?

Metalcat · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ May 28 2005, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I never knew the Nazis used B-17s, maybe they rebuilt a crashed one perhaps?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
maybe they stole it

V_MAN · May 2005

Who knows, it's definatly not a post WW2 West German one because of the Swastika.

Google isn't much help either unfortunatly.

Seph_Kimara · May 2005

<a href='http://www.2worldwar2.com/kg200.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.2worldwar2.com/kg200.htm</a>

AlienCow · May 2005

Well...where did you find the picture? Maybe the source explains it..

EDIT: Cool^

Cyndane · May 2005

That is not a B-17, it is a Junker or a Messer-schmitt.

Spellings are off, but I'm sure Nemmy can assist with that german side of things.

Seph_Kimara · May 2005

It's a captured B-17, Cyn.

The Dual propellers and the tailfin give it away.

Sky · May 2005

It's in black and white, duh. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Depot · May 2005

A Meserschmit was a German fighter plane if I'm not mistaken.

AlienCow · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 28 2005, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That is not a B-17, it is a Junker or a Messer-schmitt.

Spellings are off, but I'm sure Nemmy can assist with that german side of things.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Junker-Jus and Messerschmitts were much smaller than B-17s I believe, well certainly the M's. They were fighters rather than bombers (though I think the Junkers had bombs attached, did dive bombing and all that malarkey)

Cyndane · May 2005

Yup, upon actually looking at pictures, the JU-57 was the closest I could find to the B-17, it also has the possiblity of being a modified SUNDERLAND MKIII, or a german knock-off plane.

elitebear · May 2005

you guys are such nerds.

AlienCow · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ May 28 2005, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you guys are such nerds.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Why?

BobTheJanitor · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ May 28 2005, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you guys are such nerds.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Hi! Welcome to the NS forums.

Cagey · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 28 2005, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yup, upon actually looking at pictures, the JU-57 was the closest I could find to the B-17, it also has the possiblity of being a modified SUNDERLAND MKIII, or a german knock-off plane.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
From linked source above...

<b>Allied bombers in Luftwaffe service</b>

During the war, the Luftwaffe downed many allied bombers over german held territory. Others landed because of technical problems. Some of these bombers remained flyable. Initially these captured bombers, such as american B-17s and B-24s and russian Pe-2s and Tupolevs and other aircraft, were flown by the Luftwaffe for studying their capabilities for intelligence and technological analysis. These test-flown bombers were given Luftwaffe markings, like the one in the picture above.

OttoDestruct · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ May 28 2005, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you guys are such nerds.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Says the person with the cute asian chick as his avatar.

Shoebox · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ May 28 2005, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you guys are such nerds.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
well sure.

BlackMage · May 2005

you know, it could be a photoshop

TommyVercetti · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ May 28 2005, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Says the person with the cute asian chick as his avatar.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That's the stupidest comment ever. Anyone can enjoy cute asian chicks, but it takes an aficionado/nerd to discuss a picture of a B-17 captured by the Germans in WW2.

Moquiao · May 2005

ok, so.... why not check the link that guy put up? nobody seems to have commented on it. seems watertight enough to me...

p.s these are forums... devoted to a computer game, which was made ontop of another computer game ?(needs brains basically) what else did you expect? really?

ZeroByte · May 2005

<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B17_kg200.jpg' target='_blank'>Ze Captured B-17 in ze colours of ze luftwaffles</a>

From the Wikipedia <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KG_200' target='_blank'>entry</a>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><b>Long-range reconnaissance</b>

Before the beginning of the war, aerial reconnaisance was usually carried out by relatively unconspicious civilian Lufthansa planes equipped with cameras. This practice was continued throughout the war as long as civilian airlines remained operational; later on, recon missions were most often carried out by Junkers Ju 90s flying at very high altitudes or by flying boats. <b>Due to the lack of German aircraft with sufficient range, some recon missions even used captured American B-17 and B-24 bombers.</b></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

AlienCow · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 28 2005, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ May 28 2005, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Says the person with the cute asian chick as his avatar. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That's the stupidest comment ever. Anyone can enjoy cute asian chicks, but it takes an aficionado/nerd to discuss a picture of a B-17 captured by the Germans in WW2.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I'm not entirely sure what an aficionado is, but I resent being called a nerd and I dont think you need to be one to discuss a picture of a B-17 captured by the Germans in WW2.

Cold_NiTe · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elitebear @ May 28 2005, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you guys are such nerds.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Do you know where you are? Because you may have registered by mistake.

V_MAN · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ May 28 2005, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 28 2005, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That is not a B-17, it is a Junker or a Messer-schmitt.

Spellings are off, but I'm sure Nemmy can assist with that german side of things. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Junker-Jus and Messerschmitts were much smaller than B-17s I believe, well certainly the M's. They were fighters rather than bombers (though I think the Junkers had bombs attached, did dive bombing and all that malarkey)  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Not so, take a look at this beast, it's a Junkers Ju 390 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

It was designed to bomb the US east coast cities and came within 20 miles of long island during a test flight.

Quantum_Moose · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V MAN @ May 28 2005, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ May 28 2005, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 28 2005, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That is not a B-17, it is a Junker or a Messer-schmitt.

Spellings are off, but I'm sure Nemmy can assist with that german side of things. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Junker-Jus and Messerschmitts were much smaller than B-17s I believe, well certainly the M's. They were fighters rather than bombers (though I think the Junkers had bombs attached, did dive bombing and all that malarkey) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Not so, take a look at this beast, it's a Junkers Ju 390 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

It was designed to bomb the US east coast cities and came within 20 miles of long island during a test flight.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Thats frightening...

CMEast · May 2005

Pfft, is it me or are all of you lot paranoid? Elitebear didn't say being a nerd was either good or bad. He could have simply been referring to the depth and breadth of our general knowledge or our impressive ability to discuss all possible parts of a subject instead skipping all the good stuff and just giving an answer...

Be proud of your nerdiness, you need a bit of positive mental geekitude in your lives!

[Edit] Just thought I'd share the horrible image I just had as I pushed post. A Bill Gates excercise video... if I get to have nightmares then so do you.

Maybe chuck in some excercises by Bill Roper or Molyneux as well <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />[/Edit]

BulletHead · May 2005

That is indeed a B17, mark B if I am correct

Powerful twin tail guns
side mounted turrets
foward turrets and front mounted cannon
but, unless it's just camera angle, NO BALL TURRET

That is why I believe it's the B-17b Flying Fortress, captured and re-marked by the Germans

EDIT- my Grandfather flew in a mark c variant <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> He wound up breaking his wrist when he had to help his other side gunner un-jam his weapon, which he did by SLAMMING HIS WRIST HARD INTO THE RECOIL MECHANISM! Oh Em gee...

NeonSpyder · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ May 28 2005, 10:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> EDIT- my Grandfather flew in a mark c variant <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> He wound up breaking his wrist when he had to help his other side gunner un-jam his weapon, which he did by SLAMMING HIS WRIST HARD INTO THE RECOIL MECHANISM! Oh Em gee...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
yes but did he succeed in unjamming the gun?

Chrono · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ May 28 2005, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> EDIT- my Grandfather flew in a mark c variant <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> He wound up breaking his wrist when he had to help his other side gunner un-jam his weapon, which he did by SLAMMING HIS WRIST HARD INTO THE RECOIL MECHANISM! Oh Em gee...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
tell your grandfather i consider him a hero and he deserves a medal if he didnt get one

Leaderz0rz · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ May 28 2005, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> you know, it could be a photoshop  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
what is this photoshop you speak of

AlienCow · May 2005

lol^

And wow at that big-**** Junkers, didn't realise they did bombers too...thats a pretty darn impressive plane for WW2...

When I said I thought they were smaller, I was thinking along the lines of Stuka dive bombers (Ju87), but still...wow.

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