Hey There, All You Medical Types!

RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
edited May 2005 in Off-Topic
I've been sorta wondering this for awhile, but it's never been enough of a problem to spend ours searching for.

When I've been lazy for a few weeks/months, thusly falling out of cardiovascular shape, and then start to get back into running again, I naturally find the first few runs pretty hard. I push myself, of course. But the worst part comes after the run, when I have uncontrollable hiccups for sometimes an hour or more.

Anyone know why? These damn things get in the way of breathing, and I tell ya, it's pretty annoying. I have a sneaking suspicion that it has to do with my running down the road with my mouth wide open like a raging lunatic, but alas, I have no anatomic or biological knowledge of any kind.

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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    Need someone to scare you? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    I've never heard of this, and I am an ex-distance runner. I do recall you're supposed to breathe IN through your nose and exhale through your mouth when running. Try that and see if it helps, and keep those wheels spinnin'! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+May 29 2005, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ May 29 2005, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Need someone to scare you? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, I wish it were that easy. These are the hiccups sent by Lucifer himself. They do not scare, they do not wash away with water, and they absolutely WILL NOT STOP, until I am DEAD. (/termnator)

    But, yeah, none of the conventional stuff works to get rid of them. They're persistant, I tell ya.

    I've tried to breath in through the nose before... I just don't get enough air!
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <a href='http://kidshealth.org/kid/talk/qa/hiccup.html' target='_blank'>What Causes Hiccups?</a>

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Hic!" You've just hiccuped for what seems like the tenth time since you finished your big dinner. Wonder where these funny noises are coming from? The part to blame is your diaphragm (say: die-uh-fram). This is a dome-shaped muscle at the bottom of your chest, and all hiccups start here.

    The diaphragm almost always works perfectly. It pulls down when you inhale to help pull air into the lungs, and it pushes up when you exhale to help push air out of the lungs. But sometimes the diaphragm becomes irritated, and when this happens, it pushes up in a jerky way that makes your breath come out differently from how it normally does. When this irregular breath hits your voice box, you're left with a big hiccup.

    Some things that irritate the diaphragm are eating too quickly or too much, an irritation in the stomach or the throat, or feeling nervous or excited. Almost all cases of the hiccups last only a few minutes. Some cases of the hiccups can last for days or weeks, but this is very unusual, and it's usually a sign of another medical problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rob+May 29 2005, 03:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ May 29 2005, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+May 29 2005, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ May 29 2005, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Need someone to scare you?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, I wish it were that easy. These are the hiccups sent by Lucifer himself. They do not scare, they do not wash away with water, and they absolutely WILL NOT STOP, until I am DEAD. (/termnator)

    But, yeah, none of the conventional stuff works to get rid of them. They're persistant, I tell ya.

    I've tried to breath in through the nose before... I just don't get enough air! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't have a reason why you get them, but in the hopes of helping get rid of them, I share this tidbit.

    Whenever I get hiccups. I find that none of the common solutions get rid of them. But, when I concentrate on my breathing and that little doohickey that causes hiccups (diaphram I think) and concentrate on it being normal. If I do that for 5 minutes or so, they're gone. They're actually gone right after I start concentrating, but if I lose focus then they come back.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
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  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-T h e m+May 29 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (T h e m @ May 29 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rob+May 29 2005, 03:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ May 29 2005, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+May 29 2005, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ May 29 2005, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Need someone to scare you?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, I wish it were that easy. These are the hiccups sent by Lucifer himself. They do not scare, they do not wash away with water, and they absolutely WILL NOT STOP, until I am DEAD. (/termnator)

    But, yeah, none of the conventional stuff works to get rid of them. They're persistant, I tell ya.

    I've tried to breath in through the nose before... I just don't get enough air! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't have a reason why you get them, but in the hopes of helping get rid of them, I share this tidbit.

    Whenever I get hiccups. I find that none of the common solutions get rid of them. But, when I concentrate on my breathing and that little doohickey that causes hiccups (diaphram I think) and concentrate on it being normal. If I do that for 5 minutes or so, they're gone. They're actually gone right after I start concentrating, but if I lose focus then they come back. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ah, yes. I'm no stranger to using my mind to force my body to do things. Like I said, I get these after running when out of shape, and that means the entire process of running is a mental game where I keep telling myself to breath slower, lest I panic and gasp uselessly.

    These are way different than average hiccups. They are violent and frequent ( three or more a second sometimes), and initally, happen nearly every breath I take. After about an hour, they've calmed to the point that the usual methods can put them down, though.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+May 29 2005, 05:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ May 29 2005, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+May 29 2005, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ May 29 2005, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Need someone to scare you?  <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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    lmfao
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    lol. Looks like someone needs to get a new picture.
    Thats three years old. I'll get a new one if you want. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Supernorn+May 29 2005, 02:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Supernorn @ May 29 2005, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol. Looks like someone needs to get a new picture <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you hate Rob that much to blind him for life?
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Still, Rosa kato has a healing effect.
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    <img src='http://www.asia-fashion.de/ao-dai/aodai03.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    Nice dress Pjofksy
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rob+May 29 2005, 02:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ May 29 2005, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've been sorta wondering this for awhile, but it's never been enough of a problem to spend ours searching for.

    When I've been lazy for a few weeks/months, thusly falling out of cardiovascular shape, and then start to get back into running again, I naturally find the first few runs pretty hard. I push myself, of course. But the worst part comes after the run, when I have uncontrollable hiccups for sometimes an hour or more.

    Anyone know why? These damn things get in the way of breathing, and I tell ya, it's pretty annoying. I have a sneaking suspicion that it has to do with my running down the road with my mouth wide open like a raging lunatic, but alas, I have no anatomic or biological knowledge of any kind. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sounds like you've got a case of the <span style='font-size:30pt;line-height:100%'>NANITES!!</span>












    What?
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    i've always found that holding my breath works for me, hold it for about a minute or two and your hiccups should stop, i don't know the reason why, but i geuss i could explain it as a diagphram "reset".


    yeah.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Supernorn+May 29 2005, 02:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Supernorn @ May 29 2005, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nice dress Pjofksy <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I especially like how that's not me
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    The diaphragm is basically a muscle and it seems you haven't been using it enough. I'd suggest doing some jumping jacks or other less stressful cardio activities between runs.

    Also, make sure you aren't slouching too much when you're running. I know when I get back out there, my lower back starts to give early and I start leaning forward. This will cramp your chest up and make it harder to breathe.


    <insert inane and fashionably witty retort here>
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spooge+May 29 2005, 07:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ May 29 2005, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, make sure you aren't slouching too much when you're running.  I know when I get back out there, my lower back starts to give early and I start leaning forward.  This will cramp your chest up and make it harder to breathe.


    <insert inane and fashionably witty retort here><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A very good point. A good runner will make an extra effort to be aware of his posture, even if he's "hit the wall". Back straight, shoulders back, talk your heartrate down ... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Black_ViperBlack_Viper Join Date: 2003-12-08 Member: 24157Members
    edited May 2005
    Make sure you do what depot said about breathing in through nose, and out through the mouth, but take a few big deep breaths every so often(Me every 5) to get the CO2 out of the lungs. Make sure you drink H20 before the run, then gator aid after.
    <span style='font-size:6pt;line-height:100%'>(When i run i do math in my head to help not think about the pain of running, i figure that after im done with my 2-3 mile run ive solved the quantum theorem!!!)</span>

    For the burping, after you catch your breath, ex-hail all the air in your lungs, and try to hold it as long as you can. For me thats about 10 secs flat. With your body searching for air it seems longer, and gets harder and harder the longer/harder you run.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    There's a lot to be said about breathing rhythym while running. This worked for me: Take each breath at a count of four. In other words as you inhale and exhale it should be at a rate of 1..2..3..4. Does that make sense? Also be sure you are keeping your head up and chest out. Alot of people have a habit of dropping thier head as they tire.

    Tell you somehting else, I never ran without my heart rate monitor, ever. Once you find what your MHR (maximum heart rate) is you want to keep your heart rate at 80 to 85% of that. I had an extremely high MHR for my age (207bpm, measured not calculated) so i frequently ran at 165 to 180bpm. If you push TO hard it's of course difficult to control your breathing.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Rob! I need to keep you alive so you can put off working on Terminus Discord more. I can't help with the whole "medical" side of things but I can cure hiccups. Nobody believes me, but it <i>works</i> and on my honor as a marine (I'm not a marine) I pledge to you that you can cure hiccups. Here's what you do:

    You concentrate REALLY hard on the next hiccup. Find your own way for doing this; I sort of say in my mind "Next hiccup... now!" over and over. If you concentrate hard, it never comes. Do this enough, though, and it becomes unconscious. That's right; for about a year now, whenever I get the hiccups, I hiccup once and then my brain cures them for me.

    I don't know how it works. My cousin who is smart says that it's because you bring an unconscious nerve firing into your conscience, but he knows as much about it as I do so that's just commom sense talking. I don't really care why it works but it does.

    And check the TD forums.
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Thanks for the suggestions all! The diaphram workout thing seems to make alot of sense...

    But for me, a heart rate monitor sort of defeats my purpose. I don't usually run for fitness or anything. I try to see how much punishment I can take, and how far I can force my mind to drive my body. It's really hard without any motivation. I suppose my ultimate goal is to learn how to turn my adrinaline on and off like a switch. Ah well...

    Thanks again.
  • arcticaarctica Shindiggery innit Join Date: 2005-02-18 Member: 41646Members
    edited May 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rob+May 29 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ May 29 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thanks for the suggestions all!  The diaphram workout thing seems to make alot of sense...

    But for me, a heart rate monitor sort of defeats my purpose.  I don't usually run for fitness or anything.  I try to see how much punishment I can take, and how far I can force my mind to drive my body.  It's really hard without any motivation.  I suppose my ultimate goal is to learn how to turn my adrinaline on and off like a switch.  Ah well...

    Thanks again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Release of adrenaline is a physical response to excitement/fear/danger, hence "flight or fight." Though that'd be interesting if one managed to control it, to at least a degree.

    However, concerning running, that goes into aerobic and anaerobic stuff. Adrenaline can play a big part concerning energy, if you're running from the devil, but otherwise it falls seperately. Physiology is fun.

    e/ typo fixin'
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