the Typhoon, while HINDERED by a lack of satelites, is fully capable of tracking it's targets without them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
the Typhoon, while HINDERED by a lack of satelites, is fully capable of tracking it's targets without them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In all sense of practicality, it would be rendered useless without it's satellites. Yes, it could still run, but that's about it. Don't make me show you what all it needs satellites for....
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jul 15 2005, 06:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jul 15 2005, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It only rEALLY needs it for launching ICBM's
it can use it's last known location + logs of dautum, speed, and heading to calculate where it is and keep track via map co-ordinates and active sonar <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Satellite radio, satellite navigation, satellite for the ICBMs ... the short list says satellites PWN the Typhoon class. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> My satellites just made your Typhoon class "just another sub".
That still wasn't your initial reasoning for why... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Jul 15 2005, 06:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Jul 15 2005, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That still wasn't your initial reasoning for why... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed it was, he just forced me to explain in greater detail. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Next image please?
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jul 15 2005, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jul 15 2005, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Depot is just being a stubborn old man again, as usual.
Can't have satellites without these babies. :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you can, they just dont work very well on the ground
however, their radio works without satelites as well (SSIX bouys, ELF, HF, VHF, Sub to Sub Comms, inter sub radio, ect).
ICBM's can navigate via pre-programmed input, terrain mapping technology, and gyrostabilization technology. They won't be as accurate, but they'll get the job done (eg, WITH satelites, a Tomohawk will hit the target window of the target floor of the target building, without satelites, it'll hit the building)
Navigation can be done as I said before.... maps, last known location, and bearing/rate/distance calculations.
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 15 2005, 08:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 15 2005, 08:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jul 15 2005, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jul 15 2005, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Depot is just being a stubborn old man again, as usual.
However...
Can't have satellites without these babies. :-) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you can, they just dont work very well on the ground<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes I can be stubborn when I'm right. ;)
Metalcat, it's not a satellite on the ground. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A free-flying object that orbits the Earth, another planet, or the sun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->An object that revolves around a planet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A body that revolves around a larger body.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->An earth-orbiting device used for receiving and transmitting signals<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> BulletHead, again, without the satellites it's just another sub. Yes it runs and can even attack. But it most certainly has lost it's edge. ;)
Phoenix, Arizona > Phoenix spacecraft, as any human has the ability to enjoy all it has to offer, including it's excellent climate.
This I do not know - I merely quoted the 1st six definitions I came across amigo. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 15 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 15 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This I do not know - I merely quoted the 1st six definitions I came across amigo. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well you got to admit they still call them sattelites when they are on the ground
<!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 15 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 15 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 15 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 15 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This I do not know - I merely quoted the 1st six definitions I came across amigo. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well you got to admit they still call them sattelites when they are on the ground <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Whatever you wanna call em sweety! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 15 2005, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 15 2005, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metalcat+Jul 15 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Metalcat @ Jul 15 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 15 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 15 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This I do not know - I merely quoted the 1st six definitions I came across amigo. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well you got to admit they still call them sattelites when they are on the ground <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Whatever you wanna call em sweety! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i find it disturbing a man at the age of you call me sweety
just kidding, that just sounds like your avoiding the question <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Depot, it has the advantage of being DURABLE, POWERFUL, QUIET, and FAST.
It has excelent sonar abilities. It fires torpedos that are BIGGER and FASTER than even our Mark 48 ADCAP. Only we can trick them with countermeasures.
It can launch anti-ship cruise missiles.
It's not JUST another sub...
it has been proven that even TWO Mark 48 ADCAPs will NOT take out a Typhoon. The first impact will DENT, not rupture, the OUTER hull. The second will puncture it even if it only exploads nearby, the pressure wave will be enough. THEN you have the water BETWEEN the two layers, which acts as a layer of armor. And THEN you have the INNER hull to worry about. Even with it's two MAIN ballast tanks ruptured, it has enough reserve ballast to surface!
There IS a counter- the Mark 50, who's designation I forget. It utilizes a SHAPED charge, and is a direct counter to the Typhoon, the Akula II, the Alfa, and the Alfa II. All of which have SOLID TITANIUM exterior hulls. The shaped charge directs the explosion down into a sort of IMPLOSION.
I'm not doing anything Metalcat, I have given my justifications. Let the chips fall where they may, I really don't care. It's the largest sub in the world, perhaps even the greatest, but take away it's satellite communications and it was PWNd... not disabled, just handicapped. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*grins* He gave his justification and I rebuted him. And he knows I was right XD
Depot, it would still be more powerful than any other sub out there <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 15 2005, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 15 2005, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not doing anything Metalcat, I have given my justifications. Let the chips fall where they may, I really don't care. It's the largest sub in the world, perhaps even the greatest, but take away it's satellite communications and it was PWNd... not disabled, just handicapped. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yet still its not, satellites only adds to its awesomeness
Bullethead, why is all images you post right now tripod.com?
*edit* Love you BulletHead. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Bullethead quit spamming here and go refute me in discussions <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(Wink) My non-corporal form hovers above you.
*Edit*
Tripod no longer allows direct hot-linking to images.
Angelfire used to, then lycos bought them.(I also used to have 100MB hosting space with angelfire.. till they downgraded to 50, then 20.) <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
this looks cooler about the tripod picture <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Is this the image we are to beat?
this looks cooler about the tripod picture <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is this the image we are to beat? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i dont get it, its like better than imageshack for some unsaid reason
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the Typhoon, while HINDERED by a lack of satelites, is fully capable of tracking it's targets without them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
the Typhoon, while HINDERED by a lack of satelites, is fully capable of tracking it's targets without them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In all sense of practicality, it would be rendered useless without it's satellites. Yes, it could still run, but that's about it. Don't make me show you what all it needs satellites for....
it can use it's last known location + logs of dautum, speed, and heading to calculate where it is and keep track via map co-ordinates and active sonar
it can use it's last known location + logs of dautum, speed, and heading to calculate where it is and keep track via map co-ordinates and active sonar <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Satellite radio, satellite navigation, satellite for the ICBMs ... the short list says satellites PWN the Typhoon class. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> My satellites just made your Typhoon class "just another sub".
Indeed it was, he just forced me to explain in greater detail. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Next image please?
However...
<img src='http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Saturn-V-liftoff-2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Can't have satellites without these babies. :-)
However...
<img src='http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Saturn-V-liftoff-2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Can't have satellites without these babies. :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
you can, they just dont work very well on the ground
They use more than just that
however, their radio works without satelites as well (SSIX bouys, ELF, HF, VHF, Sub to Sub Comms, inter sub radio, ect).
ICBM's can navigate via pre-programmed input, terrain mapping technology, and gyrostabilization technology. They won't be as accurate, but they'll get the job done (eg, WITH satelites, a Tomohawk will hit the target window of the target floor of the target building, without satelites, it'll hit the building)
Navigation can be done as I said before.... maps, last known location, and bearing/rate/distance calculations.
Any other reasons I can rebute?
Also-
<img src='http://www.nf.au.dk/~startrek/sfaab/pictures/phoenix2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Phoenix > Space Shuttle
However...
Can't have satellites without these babies. :-) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you can, they just dont work very well on the ground<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I can be stubborn when I'm right. ;)
Metalcat, it's not a satellite on the ground.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A free-flying object that orbits the Earth, another planet, or the sun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->An object that revolves around a planet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A body that revolves around a larger body.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->An earth-orbiting device used for receiving and transmitting signals<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BulletHead, again, without the satellites it's just another sub. Yes it runs and can even attack. But it most certainly has lost it's edge. ;)
Phoenix, Arizona > Phoenix spacecraft, as any human has the ability to enjoy all it has to offer, including it's excellent climate.
<img src='http://www.goarinvestigations.com/images/phoenix-skyline.GIF' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
well you got to admit they still call them sattelites when they are on the ground
well you got to admit they still call them sattelites when they are on the ground <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whatever you wanna call em sweety! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
well you got to admit they still call them sattelites when they are on the ground <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whatever you wanna call em sweety! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i find it disturbing a man at the age of you call me sweety
just kidding, that just sounds like your avoiding the question <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It has excelent sonar abilities. It fires torpedos that are BIGGER and FASTER than even our Mark 48 ADCAP. Only we can trick them with countermeasures.
It can launch anti-ship cruise missiles.
It's not JUST another sub...
it has been proven that even TWO Mark 48 ADCAPs will NOT take out a Typhoon. The first impact will DENT, not rupture, the OUTER hull. The second will puncture it even if it only exploads nearby, the pressure wave will be enough. THEN you have the water BETWEEN the two layers, which acts as a layer of armor. And THEN you have the INNER hull to worry about. Even with it's two MAIN ballast tanks ruptured, it has enough reserve ballast to surface!
There IS a counter- the Mark 50, who's designation I forget. It utilizes a SHAPED charge, and is a direct counter to the Typhoon, the Akula II, the Alfa, and the Alfa II. All of which have SOLID TITANIUM exterior hulls. The shaped charge directs the explosion down into a sort of IMPLOSION.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Depot, it would still be more powerful than any other sub out there <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyway
<img src='http://soflabob.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/multi_wild.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
This image loooks cooler
yet still its not, satellites only adds to its awesomeness
Bullethead, why is all images you post right now tripod.com?
<img src='http://laurent.bares.free.fr/accueil/liens/autres/IMG%20logo/imageshack.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
*edit* Love you BulletHead. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
didn't know it was...
But it works, doesn't it?
(Wink) My non-corporal form hovers above you.
*Edit*
Tripod no longer allows direct hot-linking to images.
Angelfire used to, then lycos bought them.(I also used to have 100MB hosting space with angelfire.. till they downgraded to 50, then 20.) <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.imageshack.us' target='_blank'><img src='http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4975/multiwild7nh.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>
this looks cooler about the tripod picture
<a href='http://www.imageshack.us' target='_blank'><img src='http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4975/multiwild7nh.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>
this looks cooler about the tripod picture <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is this the image we are to beat?
<a href='http://www.imageshack.us' target='_blank'><img src='http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4975/multiwild7nh.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>
this looks cooler about the tripod picture <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is this the image we are to beat? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i dont get it, its like better than imageshack for some unsaid reason