fyi some lifeforms, commonly lerks have crap for energy and can't afford to bite the ip, so they save energy for killing marines and flying away. fades might have to do this as well.
although their team should come kill the base while they do this, sometimes they don't though.
<!--QuoteBegin-Lt Patch+Jun 6 2005, 08:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt Patch @ Jun 6 2005, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you let someone get to the point where they can spawncamp the entire team, then you should be questioning the team's approach to the game. The player doing the camping has obviously outclassed/outmanuevered/sneaked past the entire team.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> not necessarily
the rest of the team COULD be killed by the rest of the alien team- it's not hard to babysit 2 IP's Especially since, as far as I can tell, you can bite them once before they even realize they've spawned (yes, computer lag time + human lag time = half dead, freshly spawned marineburger)
Um, guys, we've been through this spawncamping debate before. The end result at the end of that thread was, I believe, that most people think spawncamping is ok as long as it is objective-based. As in, you're spawncamping to give your team more time to manuever to the hive, or you're spawncamping spawning rines in combat so your buddies can continue munching on the cc.
However, that is NOT what this thread is supposed to be about. It's specifically about some "vet" saying that it is ok to just sit around marine spawn (in combat, I think, judging from the rest of the post) and JUST spawncamp rines to be a general asshat. This type of behavior should be looked down upon; it's basically one arrogant idiot's (or a team of arrogant idiots) attempt to show off his ginormous e-c***, which, if I'm not mistaken, is something that the community in general doesn't exactly appreciate.
Notice how hacking is, for the most part, done because the hacker gets such a kick out of killing other defenseless players, over, and over, and over. That's basically what this type of spawncamping amounts to: there's no hope of ever breaking it, because the attacker's focus is never diverted from spawning players, because they're never attacking the hive/cc. This just prolongs the game, as the hive/cc will never die. Oh, that's a load of fun right there. Let's all give that guy a round of applause for demonstrating how much he pwns the other team. Too bad while we were all lauding him for his skill and dexterity, we could have started another game, one in which hopefully the losing team of the previous game wouldn't make the same mistakes.
Basically, my position is that if they're in your base, you deserve what you get. If you can't stop them from camping, oh well and GG. The burden isn't on the attackers to give you a fair chance to fight back.
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edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Electrical Tape+Jun 7 2005, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Electrical Tape @ Jun 7 2005, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As civilian said, its unsportsman like.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Only in the case that the player spawncamping can easily and obviously end the game. In other cases, I view it as a perfectly legitimate tactic.
Spawn camping is perfectly legitimate in NS mode... Not that I cast hate on servers that don't allow it, it can be unsportsmanlike, expecially if a delta level clanner is spawncamping your average pubnub team. But in cases where teams have reasonably equal skill it is a perfect way to beat out your opponents in the numbers game, as one spawncamper can keep a whole team in check for reasonbly long periods of time. It goes too far when a team/player has clearly won the game and they still spawncamp for kills. an onos should not sit over the IP waiting for waves and waves of marines to spawn so he can kill them, he can take out the IP in less then half of his adren useage, he should just do so and get it over with.
CO is different, spawn camping is the ONLY option until onos comes along. No other lifeform really has the beef to sit at the chair and attack it while marines are spawning around them, and only JP marines have a good chance at taking out a hive with whole teams of skulks spawning at thier feet. Wave spawning makes spawncamping tragicly nessicary very often in the game. There really is nothing that can be done about it short of going back to the one by one spawning option, which I think we can all agree is the worst possible option available.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheJim+Jun 9 2005, 05:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheJim @ Jun 9 2005, 05:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I will say this once...
It don't matter what the people say here about spawn camping...
It only matters on the server you play on...
If the server you play on has a rules against spawn camping then you have 2 options which are the following:
Follow the rules or leave the server
It really don't matter what people on these forums say. It only matters what the rules for the server you are playing on say about spawn camping. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. Disagreeing with a rule is not a good reason to disobey it. Be a griefer somewhere else.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
Yeah, the reason I took the time to write my comments was mostly because people were looking to the dev team as to what was intended... Often things come up in game that people can use to their advantage that weren't intended (such as being able to drop chambers on IP's), eventually these things get fixed.. But until they do much confusion arises as to their validity... So I come in occasionally and draft something up to try to get clarification as to the original intent and to help server admins make administration decisions with the "intent" in mind...
I'll be posting this document by the end of day and keeping the thread open for people to poke logic holes in it (as I suspect the majority of people will "understand" what the "intent" of the document is based on the text given, but will also see places where loopholes could be found to justify griefer behaviour)
<!--QuoteBegin-Diablus+Jun 7 2005, 10:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Jun 7 2005, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Honestly its NOT your or your teams fault for Spawncampers. I don't know why a few of you claim that. Ever notice how 1 really good fade can take on a team of 7 Marines armed with level 2-3 weapons and shotguns - HMG's? and not only the fades pushing and distracting the Marines back, you have the other aliens pushing the Marines back. Now its down to the last stand in MS and what happens? Marines end up slowly dying off and the Aliens march on in. Now if they spawncamp you don't have yourself to blame. ITs not your fault your team couldnt handle 1 fade and if you were to IGNORE it, it would only kill the advacing Marines off, or even worse attack base and take out important structures.
Now for the Aliens how is it "your fault" that 1- a few Marines rambo there way into your hive and sit there waiting for you to spawn while your team is doing their jobs of taking down and putting up rt's?
The thing is each side has to win or lose each game. It's not your fault 1 fade can take out your team then move n and cause a spawncamp, and its not your fault aliens have enough rees to go onos, sit in MS and devour / stomp spam camp. If it comes to that the team should have enough decency to end it and let a new round start instead of wasting everyone elses time while they "g3t 0mfg l33t p01ntz"
and the fact that a Vet claimed that first statement isnt suprising. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Who's fault is it for your hive getting spawned camped?
If 1 fade can take on 7 shotgunners, it won't matter if you spawn camp or not, the marine team is going to lose. Its not the aliens fault that the marines get distracted by one fade and every focuses fire (and obviously misses) and gets killed by other aliens. Thats the MARINES fault for not having enough common sense to realize that one fade will NOT kill 7 shotgunners without some help. This would have been evident had you regular a server with some talent.
Your job as the aliens as described in the story line is to cleanse the intruders by eliminating the opposition. How can you do this when your hive is getting attacked? If you let marines into your hive ITS YOUR OWN FAULT. No one else to blame on that one. Your job isn't to build RTs, its to win the game. RTs help you win the game, but if you spread yourself thin and let marines in, thats just stupid <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you let the aliens get those resources to get your 1337 speakness, than thats the MARINES fault, and since you are part of the marines (assuming), than it is partially your fault.
Vets don't exist and your "its NOT my fault, its everyone else's but mine's fault" attitude makes you maladaptive and inefficent. I'm betting you are one of those players that sits at the bottom of the scoreboard crying "BS BS" all the time, but when you get a lucky kill you just sit silent.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it to be posted or linked to here?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is to be Posted.. but meetings and family have conspired to delay me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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although their team should come kill the base while they do this, sometimes they don't though.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
not necessarily
the rest of the team COULD be killed by the rest of the alien team- it's not hard to babysit 2 IP's Especially since, as far as I can tell, you can bite them once before they even realize they've spawned (yes, computer lag time + human lag time = half dead, freshly spawned marineburger)
However, that is NOT what this thread is supposed to be about. It's specifically about some "vet" saying that it is ok to just sit around marine spawn (in combat, I think, judging from the rest of the post) and JUST spawncamp rines to be a general asshat. This type of behavior should be looked down upon; it's basically one arrogant idiot's (or a team of arrogant idiots) attempt to show off his ginormous e-c***, which, if I'm not mistaken, is something that the community in general doesn't exactly appreciate.
Notice how hacking is, for the most part, done because the hacker gets such a kick out of killing other defenseless players, over, and over, and over. That's basically what this type of spawncamping amounts to: there's no hope of ever breaking it, because the attacker's focus is never diverted from spawning players, because they're never attacking the hive/cc. This just prolongs the game, as the hive/cc will never die. Oh, that's a load of fun right there. Let's all give that guy a round of applause for demonstrating how much he pwns the other team. Too bad while we were all lauding him for his skill and dexterity, we could have started another game, one in which hopefully the losing team of the previous game wouldn't make the same mistakes.
Basically, my position is that if they're in your base, you deserve what you get. If you can't stop them from camping, oh well and GG. The burden isn't on the attackers to give you a fair chance to fight back.
Only in the case that the player spawncamping can easily and obviously end the game. In other cases, I view it as a perfectly legitimate tactic.
CO is different, spawn camping is the ONLY option until onos comes along. No other lifeform really has the beef to sit at the chair and attack it while marines are spawning around them, and only JP marines have a good chance at taking out a hive with whole teams of skulks spawning at thier feet. Wave spawning makes spawncamping tragicly nessicary very often in the game. There really is nothing that can be done about it short of going back to the one by one spawning option, which I think we can all agree is the worst possible option available.
It don't matter what the people say here about spawn camping...
It only matters on the server you play on...
If the server you play on has a rules against spawn camping then you have 2 options which are the following:
Follow the rules or leave the server
It really don't matter what people on these forums say. It only matters what the rules for the server you are playing on say about spawn camping.
It don't matter what the people say here about spawn camping...
It only matters on the server you play on...
If the server you play on has a rules against spawn camping then you have 2 options which are the following:
Follow the rules or leave the server
It really don't matter what people on these forums say. It only matters what the rules for the server you are playing on say about spawn camping. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Disagreeing with a rule is not a good reason to disobey it. Be a griefer somewhere else.
I'll be posting this document by the end of day and keeping the thread open for people to poke logic holes in it (as I suspect the majority of people will "understand" what the "intent" of the document is based on the text given, but will also see places where loopholes could be found to justify griefer behaviour)
Now for the Aliens how is it "your fault" that 1- a few Marines rambo there way into your hive and sit there waiting for you to spawn while your team is doing their jobs of taking down and putting up rt's?
The thing is each side has to win or lose each game. It's not your fault 1 fade can take out your team then move n and cause a spawncamp, and its not your fault aliens have enough rees to go onos, sit in MS and devour / stomp spam camp. If it comes to that the team should have enough decency to end it and let a new round start instead of wasting everyone elses time while they "g3t 0mfg l33t p01ntz"
and the fact that a Vet claimed that first statement isnt suprising. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who's fault is it for your hive getting spawned camped?
If 1 fade can take on 7 shotgunners, it won't matter if you spawn camp or not, the marine team is going to lose. Its not the aliens fault that the marines get distracted by one fade and every focuses fire (and obviously misses) and gets killed by other aliens. Thats the MARINES fault for not having enough common sense to realize that one fade will NOT kill 7 shotgunners without some help. This would have been evident had you regular a server with some talent.
Your job as the aliens as described in the story line is to cleanse the intruders by eliminating the opposition. How can you do this when your hive is getting attacked? If you let marines into your hive ITS YOUR OWN FAULT. No one else to blame on that one. Your job isn't to build RTs, its to win the game. RTs help you win the game, but if you spread yourself thin and let marines in, thats just stupid <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you let the aliens get those resources to get your 1337 speakness, than thats the MARINES fault, and since you are part of the marines (assuming), than it is partially your fault.
Vets don't exist and your "its NOT my fault, its everyone else's but mine's fault" attitude makes you maladaptive and inefficent. I'm betting you are one of those players that sits at the bottom of the scoreboard crying "BS BS" all the time, but when you get a lucky kill you just sit silent.
It is to be Posted.. but meetings and family have conspired to delay me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->