About Time

SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
edited June 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">and it`s flowing</div> I just read the old classic book "Flatland, A romance in many Dimensions", It got me thinking of times flowing once again and fourth dimension. I reached somewhat outcome but I need to ask this one question: Did time start flowing when Big Bang exploded or before it?

I will try to translate my Ideas to english then Might need bit working though...


EDIT: Make some proofs also for your opinion, just something don`t need to be long. Just make it longer than one word!
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    edited June 2005
    Look at it like a derivitive in calculus. Time is infinite. Try to take the derivitive of infinity to find.. 42 (i.e. i have no idea what youre trying to find).... can't be done... (unless youre one of those freaks who take way upper level calculus... but this is calc 1)

    *edit*

    Actually I should say, its like trying to take the limit of infinitiy as x approaches infinity.
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Yes I understand and have thought the infnite-time but thinking bit more I Found out that It was actually 0 that blew up in the beginning.
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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    I was about to say "time didn't exist before life because..." but then I realised time must always have existed. From the beginning.
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Jun 13 2005, 08:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Jun 13 2005, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was about to say "time didn't exist before life because..." but then I realised time must always have existed. From the beginning. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But before big bang there was <u><b>nothing</b></u> So when did the time come in? Answer the question please! I know that time is infnite but still it had to start sometime "nothing pops out of nothing" Is the principle.
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Why couldnt there have been time before the big bang? Is <b><u>"something"</b></u> a prerequisite for time?
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Yes there has to be something because even time has been coming from somewhere.
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Pshh! Says who?
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Because one of the main principles is "nothing came out of nowhere"
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SLizer+Jun 13 2005, 12:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SLizer @ Jun 13 2005, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because one of the main principles is "nothing came out of nowhere" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And you can't create matter, or destroy it. The universe has always existed, and time has always existed with it. Theres no 'At X, time began.'
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    But Universe has also came from somewhere? To this I found that the zero helps. Zero is existing and is not existing same time, this avoids the problem do you agree?
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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    Yeh seriously, don't over complicate things or search for things that aren't there. Time has always existed. How can there have been <b>nothing</b> before the big bang? And if there was how do you know?
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Jun 13 2005, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Jun 13 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeh seriously, don't over complicate things or search for things that aren't there. Time has always existed. How can there have been <b>nothing</b> before the big bang? And if there was how do you know? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is exactly why I pity mathemeticians / scientists that do stupid crap like this. Evewn if you do find the answer, who cares? Its not like you've advanced the human race at all, and quite frankly I think its a waste of time (har har irony) to do this crap when you've only got one life to live. Go have fun and get laid for god sake.
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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+Jun 13 2005, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Jun 13 2005, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow+Jun 13 2005, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow @ Jun 13 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeh seriously, don't over complicate things or search for things that aren't there. Time has always existed. How can there have been <b>nothing</b> before the big bang? And if there was how do you know? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is exactly why I pity mathemeticians / scientists that do stupid crap like this. Evewn if you do find the answer, who cares? Its not like you've advanced the human race at all, and quite frankly I think its a waste of time (har har irony) to do this crap when you've only got one life to live. Go have fun and get laid for god sake. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Tbh I think I solved the puzzle with time to spare. So i'm off to get laid. Oh...wait...
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  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    If you really wish to get technical, there was no time before there was intelligent life. Since nothing else on this planet measure time (before life) there was no reason to have it.

    Thusly, time is relative if you are animal, or not.

    :-)

    Philosophy > Physics/Mathematics
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Yes the whole Problem is that it is just something that we have given name "time" because we dont understand it properly :/
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  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    You're so asking the wrong group of people.
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Argh, back up a few steps, folks.

    The Big Bang marks the advent of all natural law. To ask whether time existed before it is therefore a bit like asking whether the sky tastes green <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And Cyn, what you are getting at is the existence of an ordered chronology. Cause and effect, the phenomenon we formalize into time, gets on happily without us.
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  • RatonetwothreetwooneRatonetwothreetwoone Join Date: 2004-03-23 Member: 27504Members
    meh... who really cares like.. someone else said .. dont feel like scrolling down...

    but yeah.. imo the big bang is ****, creation is ****, its all ****... theres no point in even coming here asking us where time began.. NO on KNOWS how the world BEGAN, no one knows how the universe began, and no one knows what happens after death... you can have a religion and base it solely on faith.. since every argument about religion being **** comes down to the christian or whatever saying "well, one needs faith."

    OR you can base it on some retarded scientists who say "oh life came from a big explosion and some little goddam organisms got excited and evolved.." you cant explain where the hell protiens come from.. theyre just about the goddam building blocks of life and they damn well cant survive in some spawning pool of laemness...

    anyway.. hopefully up there in that mumbo jumbo you can find my explaination as to how time began...
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    rat, I have no idea what you took there, but please, use half the dosage next time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Mm those **** kinda ruined your post <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • RatonetwothreetwooneRatonetwothreetwoone Join Date: 2004-03-23 Member: 27504Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 13 2005, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 13 2005, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> rat, I have no idea what you took there, but please, use half the dosage next time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hmmm i suspected walker brothers of slipping something into my apple pancake

    <_<

    >_>
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    It's really no use. We simply cannot get our brains around the whole "infinite" deal. Our minds aren't equipped to do it. It'd simply look big, and flat.
    I suppose it would get filtered out by our brains so that we wouldn't go insane, if we got a chance to look at infinity...
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Align too true <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I WANT SOMETHING TO ERASE DA FILTER!
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Ahh Im now to overwhelmed by this whole thing beeing thinking it whole day, Time to go play NS and refresh!
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  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    TIME IS A WORD, time is a word we use to count seocounds, hours, days and sofourth.
    If someone had actually been living before big bang, he or she could have counted secounds too. Its JUST A WORD.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    So how does that explain anything?
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  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 13 2005, 11:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 13 2005, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And Cyn, what you are getting at is the existence of an ordered chronology. Cause and effect, the phenomenon we formalize into time, gets on happily without us. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "Time" as you name it would but it wasn't called time, it wasn't called anything untill some form of life decided to calculate is biology to match a certain "time".

    Therefor, there is no "time", unless you actually try to measure it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Which we do.
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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Align+Jun 13 2005, 06:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Jun 13 2005, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So how does that explain anything? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It doesn't.

    What the hell relevance does the existence of a word, "time", have to do with the meaning and existence of time itself!? People got old and died before they could communicate any more than "Ug, Oog, Och, Aye, Noo". Obviously the Scottish haven't evolved much from there, but they are affected by time just like the rest of us.
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  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    Wrong aliencow, as soon as some form of life began to use day/night as a cycle that marked the usage of time.

    The word itself has no meaning, therefore, there was no time before life. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 13 2005, 06:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 13 2005, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wrong aliencow, as soon as some form of life began to use day/night as a cycle that marked the usage of time.

    The word itself has no meaning, therefore, there was no time before life. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Meh meh meh, thinks shes clever does she? Day and night existed before any form of life used them. I don't even know what I'm arguing about any more! Leave me be!
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