<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 14 2005, 11:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 14 2005, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not to mention hypnosis simply doesn't work that way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Except that yes it does... That's almost exactly how it works. The only thing that they don't do there is make him dance naked or something, like 99% of other hypnotists.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 14 2005, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 14 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 14 2005, 11:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 14 2005, 11:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not to mention hypnosis simply doesn't work that way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Except that yes it does... That's almost exactly how it works. The only thing that they don't do there is make him dance naked or something, like 99% of other hypnotists. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's it, I'm wikipedia-ing hypnotism.
Having seen a few hyponotists in action. I have seen them put people abck to their sleep state just by touching their face and maybe saying one word. Im still not believing this, but in theory it is possible.
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Hypnotism is real, this may not be. I've done a bunch of case studies on hypnotism for a Psychology class in high school. Most were about how hypnotists wiether knowingly or not implanted memories into therapy patients. Some were really sick, planting false rape memories into women's minds so that they'd have to come back for more sessions and pay more money. The worst part is that the person absolutely believes them and thinks that the therapist found some long lost memory that they had repressed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Omega Death+Jun 14 2005, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Omega Death @ Jun 14 2005, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hypnotism is real, this may not be. I've done a bunch of case studies on hypnotism for a Psychology class in high school. Most were about how hypnotists wiether knowingly or not implanted memories into therapy patients. Some were really sick, planting false rape memories into women's minds so that they'd have to come back for more sessions and pay more money. The worst part is that the person absolutely believes them and thinks that the therapist found some long lost memory that they had repressed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Has that... really happened? I mean like, is that still done?
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I know it's happened before, as for it happening now a days I don't know. They try to guide people away from using hypnotism in therapy for obvious reasons. In fact that's what I was looking for the information for. My teacher had us look at why hypnotism in therapy is such a bad idea.
<!--QuoteBegin-Omega Death+Jun 14 2005, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Omega Death @ Jun 14 2005, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hypnotism is real, this may not be. I've done a bunch of case studies on hypnotism for a Psychology class in high school. Most were about how hypnotists wiether knowingly or not implanted memories into therapy patients. Some were really sick, planting false rape memories into women's minds so that they'd have to come back for more sessions and pay more money. The worst part is that the person absolutely believes them and thinks that the therapist found some long lost memory that they had repressed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ya, and I've done psych in uni. I'm not saying that it is definately real, I'm just saying there is nothing there on the hypnotism basis to prove it false. Is't that guy like a super famous entertainer hypnotist as well?
One way or another, he knows his stuff, and it looks alot to me like a real hypnotism prank. Could it be faked? Definately. Can I tell from that vid alone? Nope.
<!--QuoteBegin-Comprox+Jun 14 2005, 11:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Comprox @ Jun 14 2005, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Having seen a few hyponotists in action. I have seen them put people abck to their sleep state just by touching their face and maybe saying one word. Im still not believing this, but in theory it is possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And I've seen a psychic read people's minds. He could read their very thoughts, and even manipulate them. Only he turned out to be a skeptic, not a psychic, and revealed the tricks he had used later in the show. All smoke and mirrors. It takes more than a video to convince me.
According to <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis' target='_blank'>Wikipedia</a> (there I go with my trump card again), "many experienced hypnotists claim that they can hypnotize almost anyone. They also claim it is a myth that people with strong will power cannot be hypnotized, as they claim these generally make the best participants. On the other hand, there is a common claim that no one can really be hypnotized against his or her will." So I'll go with the skeptic's usual standpoint: I'll believe it when I see it. And a video that smells strongly of fake is not sufficient proof to me.
Just to clarify: I DO believe that hypnotism exists, just not that it can be forced on an unwilling victim like in this video. Just think of all the ways you could abuse such power. It's not happening.
was he really unwilling lolfighter? :/ He wanted to play the game didn't he? Isn't that in some ways what we want to play games for? To experience some part of the thrill of an unsafe or fantastical world?
<!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Jun 14 2005, 05:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Jun 14 2005, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> was he really unwilling lolfighter? :/ He wanted to play the game didn't he? Isn't that in some ways what we want to play games for? To experience some part of the thrill of an unsafe or fantastical world? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *lays down on couch*
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 14 2005, 10:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 14 2005, 10:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I've seen a psychic read people's minds. He could read their very thoughts, and even manipulate them. Only he turned out to be a skeptic, not a psychic, and revealed the tricks he had used later in the show. All smoke and mirrors. It takes more than a video to convince me.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The exact same guy who made the video this thread is about did that (Derren Brown) over in America, claiming to be a medium when really just using the mental acuity skills he has to pick up on peoples reactions to certain things he says. On his shows he has done must be hundreds of differant "tricks" on people in studio's in setups and on the streets and he openly admits that it doesn't always work on everyone (and often shows the people it failed on at the end of the show whilst the credits are rolling)
His shows been going on for a long time, the amount of people needed to run it, if it was all fake don't you think it would have been leaked by now?
Ooh! We're keeping this one alive? Free postcount++! <!--QuoteBegin-Me+ The old thread--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Me @ The old thread)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find it hard to believe that it's that easy to hypnotise someone.
It didn't occur to me that the gun was simply firing blanks; I thought it might have been BBs or something, which is obviously dangerous for putting out zombies' eyes.
If it were me in there... things would have gone badly, cause I'd have started busting heads when I realised the gun wasn't doing anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The last I heard of how most TV hypnotist shows is that the subjects are pre-hypnotised beforehand (the process of which takes quite a bit more time), and while in that state are told to go into that state again when later told to "sleep". So it would be more of a time-saving device than a trick.
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jun 15 2005, 02:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jun 15 2005, 02:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ooh! We're keeping this one alive? Free postcount++! <!--QuoteBegin-Me+ The old thread--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Me @ The old thread)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find it hard to believe that it's that easy to hypnotise someone.
It didn't occur to me that the gun was simply firing blanks; I thought it might have been BBs or something, which is obviously dangerous for putting out zombies' eyes.
If it were me in there... things would have gone badly, cause I'd have started busting heads when I realised the gun wasn't doing anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The last I heard of how most TV hypnotist shows is that the subjects are pre-hypnotised beforehand (the process of which takes quite a bit more time), and while in that state are told to go into that state again when later told to "sleep". So it would be more of a time-saving device than a trick. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not even... Hypnotism can be done EXTREAMLY rapidly under the right conditions. I'd be interested to see the science behind his flashing vid game trance, but it is reasonably plausable. It isn't as freeky as it looks at first, it would be REALLY difficult to take advantage of someone with hypnotism.
well, from what I learned studying self-hypnosis, hypnosis is just a kind of 'suggestion' to your unconscious. Your unconscious isn't quite as tied up in morals and embarrassment as your consciousness is so it's rather apt to taking playful or 'fun' sounding ones you might not normally do. However it's still a part of you so it won't accept the extremes you wouldn't; ie: most people won't attempt to kill or commit suicide under hypnosis unless they were in some way prone to doing that kind of thing anyways :o
Sadly, "unwilling" isn't clarified very well in that wiki entry. I assumed it to mean "nobody can be hypnotized unless they actively want to," but I admit that it can also mean "nobody can be hypnotized if they are aware of the attempt and are actively resisting." I.e. if somebody doesn't know that somebody is trying to hypnotize them, they might be hypnotized without realizing it. It depends on which part requires activity: Do you actively have to open your mind to hypnosis, or do you actively have to close your mind against it? Is your natural state "can be hypnotized" or is it "cannot be hypnotized?"
I do not claim to be an expert in the field. I have never been hypnotized, and nobody has ever tried to hypnotize me. But the assumption that somebody can force their will on me somehow (aside from being an abhorrent concept to me) sounds to far-fetched for me to readily believe in. It's too close to magic for me to just accept without very concrete proof. Which brings me back to my previous point:
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and yah.
Fake. Hypnotism does not work like that at all.
101% fake for sure.
Except that yes it does... That's almost exactly how it works. The only thing that they don't do there is make him dance naked or something, like 99% of other hypnotists.
Except that yes it does... That's almost exactly how it works. The only thing that they don't do there is make him dance naked or something, like 99% of other hypnotists. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's it, I'm wikipedia-ing hypnotism.
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and yah.
Fake. Hypnotism does not work like that at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you a hypnotist?
Can you say with 100% certainty that it is totally impossible to hypnotise someone with a sequence of flashing lights?
The only part which gives me reason to believe this is fake is they never fully explained how he knocked the guy out the second time.
Has that... really happened? I mean like, is that still done?
Ya, and I've done psych in uni. I'm not saying that it is definately real, I'm just saying there is nothing there on the hypnotism basis to prove it false. Is't that guy like a super famous entertainer hypnotist as well?
One way or another, he knows his stuff, and it looks alot to me like a real hypnotism prank. Could it be faked? Definately. Can I tell from that vid alone? Nope.
And I've seen a psychic read people's minds. He could read their very thoughts, and even manipulate them. Only he turned out to be a skeptic, not a psychic, and revealed the tricks he had used later in the show. All smoke and mirrors. It takes more than a video to convince me.
According to <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis' target='_blank'>Wikipedia</a> (there I go with my trump card again), "many experienced hypnotists claim that they can hypnotize almost anyone. They also claim it is a myth that people with strong will power cannot be hypnotized, as they claim these generally make the best participants. On the other hand, there is a common claim that no one can really be hypnotized against his or her will."
So I'll go with the skeptic's usual standpoint: I'll believe it when I see it. And a video that smells strongly of fake is not sufficient proof to me.
Just to clarify: I DO believe that hypnotism exists, just not that it can be forced on an unwilling victim like in this video. Just think of all the ways you could abuse such power. It's not happening.
He wanted to play the game didn't he? Isn't that in some ways what we want to play games for? To experience some part of the thrill of an unsafe or fantastical world?
He wanted to play the game didn't he? Isn't that in some ways what we want to play games for? To experience some part of the thrill of an unsafe or fantastical world? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*lays down on couch*
--Scythe--
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The exact same guy who made the video this thread is about did that (Derren Brown) over in America, claiming to be a medium when really just using the mental acuity skills he has to pick up on peoples reactions to certain things he says. On his shows he has done must be hundreds of differant "tricks" on people in studio's in setups and on the streets and he openly admits that it doesn't always work on everyone (and often shows the people it failed on at the end of the show whilst the credits are rolling)
His shows been going on for a long time, the amount of people needed to run it, if it was all fake don't you think it would have been leaked by now?
<!--QuoteBegin-Me+ The old thread--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Me @ The old thread)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find it hard to believe that it's that easy to hypnotise someone.
It didn't occur to me that the gun was simply firing blanks; I thought it might have been BBs or something, which is obviously dangerous for putting out zombies' eyes.
If it were me in there... things would have gone badly, cause I'd have started busting heads when I realised the gun wasn't doing anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...ok, fine. I'll contribute <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
The last I heard of how most TV hypnotist shows is that the subjects are pre-hypnotised beforehand (the process of which takes quite a bit more time), and while in that state are told to go into that state again when later told to "sleep". So it would be more of a time-saving device than a trick.
<!--QuoteBegin-Me+ The old thread--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Me @ The old thread)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find it hard to believe that it's that easy to hypnotise someone.
It didn't occur to me that the gun was simply firing blanks; I thought it might have been BBs or something, which is obviously dangerous for putting out zombies' eyes.
If it were me in there... things would have gone badly, cause I'd have started busting heads when I realised the gun wasn't doing anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...ok, fine. I'll contribute <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
The last I heard of how most TV hypnotist shows is that the subjects are pre-hypnotised beforehand (the process of which takes quite a bit more time), and while in that state are told to go into that state again when later told to "sleep". So it would be more of a time-saving device than a trick. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not even... Hypnotism can be done EXTREAMLY rapidly under the right conditions. I'd be interested to see the science behind his flashing vid game trance, but it is reasonably plausable. It isn't as freeky as it looks at first, it would be REALLY difficult to take advantage of someone with hypnotism.
However it's still a part of you so it won't accept the extremes you wouldn't; ie: most people won't attempt to kill or commit suicide under hypnosis unless they were in some way prone to doing that kind of thing anyways :o
It depends on which part requires activity: Do you actively have to open your mind to hypnosis, or do you actively have to close your mind against it? Is your natural state "can be hypnotized" or is it "cannot be hypnotized?"
I do not claim to be an expert in the field. I have never been hypnotized, and nobody has ever tried to hypnotize me. But the assumption that somebody can force their will on me somehow (aside from being an abhorrent concept to me) sounds to far-fetched for me to readily believe in. It's too close to magic for me to just accept without very concrete proof. Which brings me back to my previous point:
I'll believe it when I see it.