Cal Needs More Teams

MrGunnerMrGunner Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11757Members, Constellation
in General Competitive Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Offseason means help out nub teams</div> It's that time again. After quite a frustrating season of matches for many of the Omega teams it would be nice to have a solid season of teams that don't dissintegrate before/just after their first match. The farm teams were the surprising thing this season as well as the number of delta caliber players moving down to play in Omega. Sure none of them were the best players in Delta but you can't disregard the impact they made in Omega.

So I was thinking since it is now shortly going to be off season there is no better time to encourage the creation of new Omega clans and help them out a bit. I would like to hear suggestions from you fine folk as to what we can do to not only get more teams playing this season, but to help them stay in competetive play.

I personally would be willing to enlarge my ventrillo server to host voice for any teams that need it if need be, and a server to scrim on. I'm not sure if Dirm or whoever fixed the scrim server bot up yet for #findscrimns but more servers for it would be cool.
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  • ZephorZephor Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11547Members, Constellation
    Actually, we need more delta teams. All the omega teams can't be in delta and 2 teams need to be moved down.
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  • MrGunnerMrGunner Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11757Members, Constellation
    Hopefully if we groom the Omega players enough we can steal them for Delta and make more teams. Delta has been just a constant shuffle of players back and forth for quite a few seasons with the better teams (Terror and Exigent) having the largest quantity that have stuck with them. I would put up either of their rosters against a "dream team" of the top Delta players from other clans and still put my money on Terror or Exigent. Plus they keep picking up more of the better players as clans die/reshuffle, like God or Pneumatic.

    The only way to really make more teams for Delta that would stand a chance would be to draft all the rosters or shuffle them around and no one would want to do that. Either that or wait a couple more seasons for better players to emerge.
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  • spysnipedisspysnipedis Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31356Members
    Yo, help out aeRO.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    One of the problems is that omega has become too high level in terms of how compeditive it is. Farm teams that stand a chance in the omega ranks are far and few between, and it is compeditive to the point that omega level teams are wary of recruiting pub players because most pub players can't hold a candle to many of the nubbier omega level players. Seems like the delta teams don't have enough quality players these days to self support that side of the league either... but I don't know much about that problem. Cwag has been trying to put together a new delta team for next season, and from what I've heard it's a pretty frustrating experiance.

    I'd love to see a cal draft tourny held sometime just for the fun of it. That would be an experiance to say the least.
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  • RazRaz Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13570Members
    Well one of the things that hurts is too much drama. One thing I thought I would NEVER see is Refract on the ropes, but guess what, it's happened.

    Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down.
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  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Everybody wants to say it. Just break up terror and exi. It would be like anti-trust monopoly laws, where winning is market share.

    On a serious note, farm teams and mentors seem to be the best way to do things.
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  • TheAdjTheAdj He demanded a cool forum title of some type. Join Date: 2004-05-03 Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Raz+Jun 20 2005, 06:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raz @ Jun 20 2005, 06:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well one of the things that hurts is too much drama. One thing I thought I would NEVER see is Refract on the ropes, but guess what, it's happened.

    Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    QFT.

    I do believe this is one of the things that makes it intimidating for upcoming players, knowing people can watch you on HLTV. Add in all the Flayra and Nem smurfs and it's pretty annoying. Just having text off for HLTV helps out a lot, that way they can talk trash on IRC instead of on the HLTV recording.
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  • tankefugltankefugl One Script To Rule Them All... Trondheim, Norway Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    I agree that the "drama" and mockery has a very intimidating effect on both new competitive players and existing ones. And it is also one of the most annoying things when spectating a HLTV match.

    Helping new players while cutting down on the mockery of both seasoned and new players alike could help a lot.

    But then, there are those who enjoy behaving badly and will probably mock this opinion too.
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  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    Much mockery directed at you tankefugl!
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  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Jun 20 2005, 09:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Jun 20 2005, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree that the "drama" and mockery has a very intimidating effect on both new competitive players and existing ones. And it is also one of the most annoying things when spectating a HLTV match.

    Helping new players while cutting down on the mockery of both seasoned and new players alike could help a lot.

    But then, there are those who enjoy behaving badly and will probably mock this opinion too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, I think that a lot of it comes down to certain positions carrying more weight than others. Comm, fade, and to lesser extents pressure marine and lerk, are all positions that have more influential effects on the game than others. There is a small group of people that do these positions near perfectly and then there is the rest of the world.

    Its really easy to point out when a fade or a comm messes up, but nobody ever notices the capper that dies all game without getting nodes up, or the gorge that dies before the 3rd chamber gets dropped.

    So yeah, its harder to step into the spotlight positions because you're scrutinized like that. People wonder why there is a shortage of good comms. Its because its too damn nerve wracking to get in the chair.
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  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    I almost miss those days of being nervous playing the good teams :/

    In my opinion Delta is about to either take a huge blow or some how keep the 10 teams they have now. Because in my honest eyes only really 5 teams truely belong there.
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  • tankefugltankefugl One Script To Rule Them All... Trondheim, Norway Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+Jun 20 2005, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ Jun 20 2005, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Much mockery directed at you tankefugl! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Damn you, mockingbird!
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  • ZephorZephor Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11547Members, Constellation
    edited June 2005
    If you guys really get your feelings hurt from a bunch of random people making fun of you I really dont think any sort of sport or competitive play is for you. *Cough Ron Artest*

    Unsupportive clans really does hurt ns though. Next time you play a team that you completely roll over, tell them what they did wrong even if they dont want to hear it. And please for the love of god dont ever sit there and spawn camp them in their hive. If you do get a spawncamp going by yourself just walk out of the hive and make the game more fun for the other teams.
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  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Its not that feelings get hurt really, its that people don't like failing. And you have to fail a whole lot at ns before you stop failing at all, even just once and a while. Some positions have bigger senses of success and failure than others because of their disproportionate impact on the outcome of the game.

    People only don't want to get in those spots if they can't have the success that comes along with doing them well. That success only comes after countless countless failures.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    its really cool to have the mandatory hltv **** that consume a keyboard per match just with the OLOLOL FADEDOWN spam, but its also one of the reasons this community is a retarted one.

    especially when they mock a team they wont play because theyre afraid of losing. rofl.
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  • kalimxskalimxs Join Date: 2005-04-30 Member: 50543Members
    edited June 2005
    forget it
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Join Date: 2004-06-23 Member: 29481Members, Constellation
    edited June 2005
    more farm teams
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  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    edited June 2005
    Disabling HLTV chat is one way of solving <i>some</i> of the problems <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • GoDlolGoDlol Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33703Members
    edited June 2005
    When playing a match I personally never think or want to think about how many people are watching or what they are saying if you get your mind off the game you start to make stupid mistakes. But for newer teams hltvs can mess with the minds of players simply because they are constantly thinking if i screw up everyone is going to laugh and it will huant me for a few weeks. I was helping fae for the last few weeks and I think they really improved under my watch, but they asked me what people were saying about them on the hltv and I simply said it doesnt matter.

    You dont need to disable the chat, it can be done by a user, let the tards talk **** about all the people that are better then them because they have no skill of their own, it is what they live for.
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  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    Hey, I never get mocked on HLTV, and tbh it sucks... only e-cool people and a few exceptions gets mocked on hltv.
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  • kalimxskalimxs Join Date: 2005-04-30 Member: 50543Members
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-2 of Eight+Jun 20 2005, 01:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2 of Eight @ Jun 20 2005, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Disabling HLTV chat is one way of solving <i>some</i> of the problems <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    no its rather fine as is

    its not like anyone watches omega matches anyway honestly
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  • MrGunnerMrGunner Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11757Members, Constellation
    I like to think about it as a big close knit community where, while there are **** that demean people for no good reason, most people are just fooling around and don't really think that someone is a horrible player just because they got telefragged or died as fade within 20 seconds *cough Duo cough*.

    There is absolutely no reason to take any of that stuff seriously. I mean if I get knifed in a match or something I would expect everyone to laugh at me because that would be hilarious and I know I'll be laughing.
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  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    edited June 2005
    Arc said it was 45 seconds. Atleast I got a few jper's before we died :O
    Plus it was my first game alllllll day <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • slipknotkthxslipknotkthx Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 11016Members, Constellation
    Duo is cut.
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'm fine with most of it, I just don't like the BS. I'd still be in the scene if every clan that I go to breaks up because of bad leadership.
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  • nInnIn Join Date: 2004-09-20 Member: 31826Members
    I posted a similar thread on the cal forums. I would like to get a meeting set up with the top omega/ delta teams together on a vent channel to discuss branching out and making new farm teams. That way CAL could make a 3rd division, of just new teams.

    But at this point no one has replied to me on IRC so, I doubt that it will happen. I tried!
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  • RazRaz Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13570Members
    Terror's farm team can be called Mild Discomfort
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  • Avatar_of_WarAvatar_of_War Join Date: 2004-10-26 Member: 32456Members
    trepidation would be better. also, you learn to ignore the fact people are speccing you. i was worried about sucking playing my first full match as a motw. now i realize ill suck with or without specs, so i just play.
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  • phunktionphunktion Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22883Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    i think teams that enter cal on ther own accord are mostly likely to fail.
    so when next season when teams pop that you never heard of make an effort to offer them some help and mentoring. farms teams are the way to go offering more support, but some would probally like to keep there own identity.

    helping new teams get over the intial hurdle of basic knowledge and pointing out faulty strategy goes far.

    alos there's alot of servers outhere with regulars.. let talk to some of them an affer them ventrilo space and some mentoring to compete in cal.
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  • RiotingNerdRiotingNerd Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20896Members
    one of the biggest difference between ns and cs is that the ns community is based on extreme hatred. honestly, go on an HLTV for a good cs match, if someone aces the other team its like OMG AWESOME KILLZ LIEK WOW! on ns, noone ever says WOW LEET SHOTGUNNING OF THAT FADE OMG WICKED SWEET FADE KILL! instead its LOLOL NUB FADE TBH GG NUB DOWN GAME OVER GGGGG NUB FADE





    wheres the <3
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