Best Control Method For Games:

DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">keyboard/mouse or game controllers?</div> personally, I think there's very few games that can be controlled better with a gamepad or joystick than with a keyboard/mouse. for instance I refuse to play any console FPS til it comes out on the computer... playing RTS games with a controller is also a horror... the only things that come to mind joysticks and controllers are good for are flight sims and platformers, and even that's negotiable.

I'm just wondering why console companies are still shipping consoles with controllers instead of mice and keyboards (or maybe some kinda mini-keyboard)... is it because a controller is just so much cheaper to manufacture? or are kids to dumb to know how to use a mouse?
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  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Platformers are pretty much gamepad-only in my book.

    Other than that, yeah, Keyboard/Mouse rules.
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  • Amped1Amped1 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13287Members
    I've found that it's a 50/50 split if you categorize games based on their camera type. Give me a heads up if you see anything wrong this this:

    <b>Overhead Camera</b> - Seen in RTS games, Simulations, and Adventure (Mouse).

    <b>Third Person Camera</b> - Mostly seen in Adventure/RPG (Controller).

    <b>First Person Human Camera</b> - Mainly first person shooters (Mouse).

    <b>First Person Vehicle Camera</b> - Simulations and some first person shooters (Controller).
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Argh, not this debate again. There is a very simple answer: It depends on the game and on individual preference.

    I wouldn't want to play GGX2 without my dual shock controller, for example, while the thought of a first-person shooter controlled by a gamepad is abhorrent to me.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Completely depends on the game. I mean, I wouldn't ever want to use, say, a PlayStation controller if I were to play an ordinary FPS, but I would hate having to use keyboard/mouse in a racing game, or in a top-down standard RPG.
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  • Crono5Crono5 Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Members
    Keyboard/mouse works basically on any game with some sort of fixed, controllable camera (FPS games - Fixed in eyes, RTS games - Fixed up top, etc). For any game where the camera changes a alot/automatically, like Mario 64, or Jet Set Radio, keyboard/mouse setup would be horrible. Also, it wouldn't work well in Resident Evil 4 because the turning speed of each weapon is different, and it'd feel weird on a mouse, because it'd just feel like you're never moving it fast enough.

    So basically, keyboard/mouse only works with computer games (which are games that normally rely on the accuracy of the mouse, and not the buttons of the keyboard). =X

    This is why it doesn't work with fighters, because they don't rely on mouse accuracy, all your left with is fumbling with the keyboard keys.

    The only company I know of that was actually smart enough to sell a keyboard/mouse combo for the FPS games on their console was Sega, though I think Sony did a half-assed keyboard for Everquest on PS2 (has a D-Pad on the left of the keyboard, normal controller buttons on the right, IIRC).

    And I'm not saying none of those above game types aren't viable PC games, you'd just need to buy a gamepad (and I have like, 4... A shame no games really get much out of them nowadays, and those that do are available on consoles).

    In other, off-topic news, did anyone get Trizeal, and if you did, would you recommend it?
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  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Gamepad for fightning games kthx. KOF98 <3. Marvel vs SNK 2 <3.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--QuoteBegin-Amped!+Jun 21 2005, 06:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amped! @ Jun 21 2005, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Overhead Camera</b> - Seen in RTS games, Simulations, and Adventure (Mouse).

    <b>Third Person Camera</b> - Mostly seen in Adventure/RPG (Controller,<i> Mouse</i>).

    <b>First Person Human Camera</b> - Mainly first person shooters (Mouse).

    <b>First Person Vehicle Camera</b> - Simulations and some first person shooters (Controller,<i> Steering wheel with peddles</i>). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fixed <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Note on 3rd person:
    gta3 and above or Max Payne kind of games work just as well if not better with mouse+keyboard combo.

    Note 2:
    Battlefield planes fly way better with a joystick to <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Jun 21 2005, 09:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Jun 21 2005, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> personally, I think there's very few games that can be controlled better with a gamepad or joystick than with a keyboard/mouse.  for instance I refuse to play any console FPS til it comes out on the computer... playing RTS games with a controller is also a horror... the only things that come to mind joysticks and controllers are good for are flight sims and platformers, and even that's negotiable. 

    I'm just wondering why console companies are still shipping consoles with controllers instead of mice and keyboards (or maybe some kinda mini-keyboard)... is it because a controller is just so much cheaper to manufacture?  or are kids to dumb to know how to use a mouse? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So basically what you're saying is that games that are designed to be played with a keyboard/mouse work better with a keyboard/mouse than a gamepad.

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    ...



    Yeah.
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  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Football games = controller

    But they generally suck.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crono5+Jun 21 2005, 07:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5 @ Jun 21 2005, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For any game where the camera changes a alot/automatically, like Mario 64 [stuff] kb+mouse = bad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually I think it could work quite well, if you made "change camera view" the second mouse button. Yes, I know this is a straight rip of how GW(and certainly many others) does it, but that shouldn't influence the usefulness of the control scheme.

    I could definitely have fun playing Mario 64 with kb and mouse.
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  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    I must say I'm pretty attached to my mouse 'n keyboard, then again, I hardly ever play with consoles.

    Halo with controller/gamepad ftw! (ugh)
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