<!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Jun 23 2005, 04:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jun 23 2005, 04:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just for curiosities sake, what is your primary job Aegeri? I believe you've mentioned it in another thread, but I can't remember. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm a microbiologist (hence the avartar <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->) and I work in disease research (though on <i>Mycobacteria</i> spp. in animal models like Deer). I have an interest in STDs though due to their prevalence and general pathogenicity.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you think people would be more apt to put up with being tested if it were part of standard physicals?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Possibly, it's certainly something that could be done.
The current and probably best idea is to develop vaccines that are protective against these organisms. I know of one against HPV (very needed, cervical cancer is terrible) and there has been good work on developing vaccines against chlamydia. Until then, responsible condom use or abstinence are the only ways of avoiding an STD.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 23 2005, 04:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 23 2005, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Jun 23 2005, 05:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jun 23 2005, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just for curiosities sake, what is your primary job Aegeri? I believe you've mentioned it in another thread, but I can't remember.
Do you think people would be more apt to put up with being tested if it were part of standard physicals? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps, but how many people do you know (besides me) who get annual physicals? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't know, I've never really asked people, but I figured it was probably the most common medical experience people have, aside from going to the dentist, and with numbers like that I think it would make sense.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 23 2005, 03:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 23 2005, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='color:red'>The following post is of a very sensitive nature and should be viewed with discretion.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And there, I suppose, is the root of our problems. Lack of knowledge about health is pretty rampant in everything from sleep to food to drugs. Yet, for some reason, large portions of society encourage sexual ignorance. Forget the extremists: Parents don't talk to their children because it is embarassing, children don't talk to their parents because they are afraid of getting in trouble, teachers tend to avoid it...
Even in a fairly permission forum like this one we're near the line, and the mods are producing grey hairs and kittens at an incredible rate. What on earth is wrong with our culture? I was lucky enough to grow up in an environment where a high-school auditorium full of kids could get a presentation on sex and STDs, and some actually had the nerve to ask questions like risks due to oral sex and getting used to condoms (It's like the bra kids, practice makes perfect).
Bonus points if we can all get past the sexual-organ measuring stage of this debate.
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<!--QuoteBegin-minsk+Jun 23 2005, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (minsk @ Jun 23 2005, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And there, I suppose, is the root of our problems. Lack of knowledge about health is pretty rampant in everything from sleep to food to drugs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A lot of those issues are the result (I think) of completely inadequate media portrayal of medical science. If you believed everything you heard on the news, you would think that the scientific community does a complete about face every 6 months on every significant health issue. Everytime someone somewhere has an idea and a PhD the news slobbers all over it without any regard to the actual facts, careful to throw in a lot of "mights" and throwing a question mark at the end of every statement. "Could Advil lead to unexpected kitten pregnancies after a full moon? News at 11." This leads to a general distrust of science among the population ("What do those scientists know anyways?") and you end up with a population dramatically misinformed.
Another serious issue is the lack of qualified health professionals teaching health class in school. All of ours doubled as gym teachers, and quite frankly, didn't know **** about ****.
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edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 01:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, lets throw out my opinion because I do not have male antomy... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cyndane, why are you taking offense? Do you honestly think that someone will learn more about the sensations involved with a bit of anatomy, when they don't posess it? That's like a blind person being ticked off that people don't want to hear their opinion of a painting. Sure, they can take in the texture of the brushstrokes, canvas, the scent of the paint, the weight and heft... but they will not see the picture as someone with eyes would.
Abortion relies on raw anatomy. It is not subjective. The point is not to make the abortion feel good, after all... it's a means to an end. Condoms are similarly so... but they are meant to facilitate the sensation, while still offering protection.
It'd be like me describing how a condom feels while my partner is wearing one. Err... okay, flawed analogy there. But you should get the idea.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not to mention you say I don't have the experience to judge on this matter, well fine then next there is an abortion thread, you men stay out of it, since you have no experience with a uterus and various other womanly duties.
I seriously detest being called inexperienced becuase you think you men are somehow "above" me when it comes to male sexual organ. I'd say I have just as much experience on the sexual side of things as any of you, (save depot maybe).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. At abortion we were talking about freedom of choice and right of an unborn child, not the uterus.
2. We were talking about how men experiences an condom. Which you cant ever now, just like men cant ever know how it feels like to give birth to a baby.
Simple logic.
[Edit] hmz Depot practicly said the same..
Sorry moultano didn't really read those "on-topic" posts, I always have a great urge to claim my right when I'm sure about my point.
I am taking offense because when I mentioned that my partners have almost(only one said he could feel any difference and that was because we were using latex instead of the polyurthane) never mentioned any reduced sensation I was "wrong."
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed.
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edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 05:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am taking offense because when I mentioned that my partners have almost(only one said he could feel any difference and that was because we were using latex instead of the polyurthane) never mentioned any reduced sensation I was "wrong."
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well here we go again . . .
Your experience matters. The issue was how you were casually dismissing all of us as being:
Lazy <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, for those that are claiming condoms decrease the sensitivity, it is more of a cop-out on their part for being lazy and not wanting to spend a little extra money to protect themselves and their partners.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and insulted all of our girlfriends.
And all of this you justified based on hearsay from people you've been involved with? Give me a break.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, for those that are claiming condoms decrease the sensitivity, it is more of a cop-out on their part for being lazy and not wanting to spend a little extra money to protect themselves and their partners. If you truly did care for the person you are enjoying the intimate pleasures with, you would take the time to make sure both of you were protected, from either STDs or pregnancy, either one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imply men who don't like condoms are 1. lazy 2. don't care 3. are greedy
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sorry guys, but if you can't hold it for the whole two minutes it takes to put one of those on, perhaps you should find better partners.
All I am seeing are excuses, I have yet to see anything that suggests other then opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. You suggest we can't get properly aroused 5. U suggest our partners aren't good enough at sex to properly arouse us.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its a cop out, why? There shouldn't be any pressure, if there is pressure in the bedroom you need to find a new partner. Pleasing each other shouldn't result in any pressure.
Pressure tends to lead to horrible sexual experiences, I WOULD know from experience in that reguard.
Statement still stands, they are excuses.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
6. Insult at our partners again.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then you guys are so inexeperienced you have no idea how to block out basic distractions. Sad really. I was hoping depot would at least be experienced enough to know different, but he didn't grow up with condoms being widely used, which would account for that, although they have been around since the 1900s.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
7. Claim we don't have enough experience.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not to mention, just to make sure you don't think I'm just picking you guys, the girl should assist the guy just to make sure in case you guys don't have the dexterity to put it on quickly and easily, that way it becomes part of the foreplay.
I have never had any issues with men putting on condoms, then again perhaps I just have exceptional taste in men who have dexterity, of course I have helped out a few times.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
8. Imply lack of dexterity
Wow you've said alot of insulting things about us men didn't u? And what did we do? We disagreed with your point because of lack of argument. A female cant know if a condom reduses sensitivity because she can't feel it herself. You'd never mentioned the feedback of your partners.
Your own I'm right ur wrong
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unless there is some study I am not aware of, condoms do not decrease sensitivity enough to even warrant notice of it. Of course not all men are built the same in that area so I would guess that the larger then male is the more he may notice it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your word against ours, you didn't even mention your partners like you just said in the last post. Your point would be taken in consideration if you said something like "my partners said it themslves they don't feel any difference" Them not complaining is not a valid argument which you didn't even give.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, lets throw out my opinion because I do not have male antomy... good job hypocrites.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't need to know the male anatomy just need to be able to feel it. What would you say if I said giving birth was a piece of cake?
Also take in consideration that your partners don't feel any difference but we do. Like you said not all men are build the same in that area. If we say we do experience a difference why won't you believe us just because someone else tells you they don't. That's just like hitting some pumped body builder in the stomach and asking him if he felt anything. He said hardly, oh well then every male will hardly feel anything. Note that all males are differently build around the stomach.
[Edit] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well here we go again . . .
Your experience matters. The issue was how you were casually dismissing all of us as being:
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am taking offense because when I mentioned that my partners have almost(only one said he could feel any difference and that was because we were using latex instead of the polyurthane) never mentioned any reduced sensation I was "wrong."
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop taking it personally. You <b>DON'T</b> have male genes, you <b>DON'T</b> have male hormones, you<b> DON"T</b> react like a man to the same situations, and you <b>DON'T</b> have a ****. All of that being said, <span style='color:white'><b>NO</b></span> women is qualified to comment on either the loss of sensitivity due to wearing a condom, or the awkwardness of having to rip that damn foil package open to get to the condom, so you can then fight to get the damn thing on to a more-than-likely failed erection.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 23 2005, 06:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 23 2005, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am taking offense because when I mentioned that my partners have almost(only one said he could feel any difference and that was because we were using latex instead of the polyurthane) never mentioned any reduced sensation I was "wrong."
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop taking it personally. You <b>DON'T</b> have male genes, you <b>DON'T</b> have male hormones, you<b> DON"T</b> react like a man to the same situations, and you <b>DON'T</b> have a ****. All of that being said, <span style='color:white'><b>NO</b></span> women is qualified to comment on either the loss of sensitivity due to wearing a condom, or the awkwardness of having to rip that damn foil package open to get to the condom, so you can then fight to get the damn thing on to a more-than-likely failed erection.
I rest my case. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wouldn't go that far. I could imagine a female sex counselor having very accurate impressions of these things through experience with a multitude of clients, and could probably offer meaningful advice on how to minimize the negative effects.
It was all justified based on the fact I have more experience and you do not. You are all quite young to be discussing sexual practices and unless you were, and pardon the expression, a promiscuous person, while you were still in your teens, I am being more then fair to even consider some of those opinions.
The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.
You moultano, and I am just referring to you in this paragraph was the fact you said only during the first times of exploring each others bodies that you can stay consistantly aroused, if you think relationships dilute into routine sexual encounters you have never had an adult relationship. Those that wish to keep it as good as the first time will always try something different and it doesn't have to be positions, nor endurance, it can just be fun little things, say a little romance before hand. Super extended foreplay, various silks, robes, clothes etc. I am quite concerned that you think a relationship in the bedroom ends up being routine.
I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.
I'd also like to point out that a woman can tell if a condom would reduce sensitivity for her, which I find it does not. Although I have a personal preference towards the polyurethane ones, I am more then happy with any of the others as well, including the female ones.
I would love to move on to more on topic points, but I am growing constiently tired of anything I say being thrown out the window as hogwash. Which has been done numerous times in this forum, by the same people over and over.
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edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 06:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It was all justified based on the fact I have more experience and you do not. You are all quite young to be discussing sexual practices and unless you were, and pardon the expression, a promiscuous person, while you were still in your teens, I am being more then fair to even consider some of those opinions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If the age in your profile is correct, that makes you 24? I'm 21.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> PLEASE try to avoid the condescension. You act like you are personally offended that someone could have trouble with a condom wrapper.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You moultano, and I am just referring to you in this paragraph was the fact you said only during the first times of exploring each others bodies that you can stay consistantly aroused, if you think relationships dilute into routine sexual encounters you have never had an adult relationship. Those that wish to keep it as good as the first time will always try something different and it doesn't have to be positions, nor endurance, it can just be fun little things, say a little romance before hand. Super extended foreplay, various silks, robes, clothes etc. I am quite concerned that you think a relationship in the bedroom ends up being routine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That isn't what I was saying. Your argument was that the mere presence of the person should be more than enough to keep you aroused. I was saying that you have to do more than simply be there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How on earth does it matter anyways?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd also like to point out that a woman can tell if a condom would reduce sensitivity for her, which I find it does not. Although I have a personal preference towards the polyurethane ones, I am more then happy with any of the others as well, including the female ones.
I would love to move on to more on topic points, but I am growing constiently tired of anything I say being thrown out the window as hogwash. Which has been done numerous times in this forum, by the same people over and over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you don't want us to dismiss what you are saying, don't insult us.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 07:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It was all justified based on the fact I have more experience and you do not. You are all quite young to be discussing sexual practices and unless you were, and pardon the expression, a promiscuous person, while you were still in your teens, I am being more then fair to even consider some of those opinions.
The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.
You moultano, and I am just referring to you in this paragraph was the fact you said only during the first times of exploring each others bodies that you can stay consistantly aroused, if you think relationships dilute into routine sexual encounters you have never had an adult relationship. Those that wish to keep it as good as the first time will always try something different and it doesn't have to be positions, nor endurance, it can just be fun little things, say a little romance before hand. Super extended foreplay, various silks, robes, clothes etc. I am quite concerned that you think a relationship in the bedroom ends up being routine.
I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.
I'd also like to point out that a woman can tell if a condom would reduce sensitivity for her, which I find it does not. Although I have a personal preference towards the polyurethane ones, I am more then happy with any of the others as well, including the female ones.
I would love to move on to more on topic points, but I am growing constiently tired of anything I say being thrown out the window as hogwash. Which has been done numerous times in this forum, by the same people over and over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It was all justified based on the fact I have more experience and you do not. You are all quite young to be discussing sexual practices and unless you were, and pardon the expression, a promiscuous person, while you were still in your teens, I am being more then fair to even consider some of those opinions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Again you are speculating, resulting in the condescending attitude that you know more than anyone else because you <i>think</i> you're older or more experienced. For you to make the claims you have thusfar proves to me your own experience is limited at best. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on. It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't. Nothing that you say or do will change this issue. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No <i>might</i> about it, it's a given. Every statement I have made on these 2 issues was based on more experiences than you or anyone on these fora have a right to know. By comparison you have NEVER experienced these 2 problems. Ever.
Let's get back on topic guys and girls. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What is surprising is you took the same attitude towards me depot, that condesending know it all, but in all essences you have proved your self many a time to be quite lacking in lots of knowledge specifically in this forum on a few occasions. While I might not have the male anatomy, I am very familar with how it works, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I am not sexual psychologist, but even I can recogonize when someone has problems and they don't want to admit it.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on. It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then they need some form of sexual counseling to assist them with issues of losing their arousals so fast. I find it is far easier to turn a guy on then off, as I'm sure a few would agree with.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No might about it, it's a given. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing is ever given online, because you have no idea of the background of with whom you are speaking to, therefore you have no call to say it is a given, in any circumstance.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 08:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What is surprising is you took the same attitude towards me depot, that condesending know it all, but in all essences you have proved your self many a time to be quite lacking in lots of knowledge specifically in this forum on a few occasions. While I might not have the male anatomy, I am very familar with how it works, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I am not sexual psychologist, but even I can recogonize when someone has problems and they don't want to admit it.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on. It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then they need some form of sexual counseling to assist them with issues of losing their arousals so fast. I find it is far easier to turn a guy on then off, as I'm sure a few would agree with.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No might about it, it's a given. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing is ever given online, because you have no idea of the background of with whom you are speaking to, therefore you have no call to say it is a given, in any circumstance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What is surprising is you took the same attitude towards me depot, that condesending know it all, but in all essences you have proved your self many a time to be quite lacking in lots of knowledge specifically in this forum on a few occasions. While I might not have the male anatomy, I am very familar with how it works, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I am not sexual psychologist, but even I can recogonize when someone has problems and they don't want to admit it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If I were you I wouldn't even raise the issues of lacking in the knowledge department, as first of all that's personal, and secondly I find myself correcting you numerous times on a daily basis on these fora. What's worse is you never admit when you're wrong, which is frequently. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on. It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then they need some form of sexual counseling to assist them with issues of losing their arousals so fast. I find it is far easier to turn a guy on then off, as I'm sure a few would agree with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Again you're less than qualified to make such a statement. Your attempts to belittle the male for issues beyond his control are sad. An educated guess would say most males experience these 2 issues. Ever find a guy who LIKES condoms? I mean for other than making water balloons out of? Me either. And "a few" is probably correct. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No might about it, it's a given. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing is ever given online, because you have no idea of the background of with whom you are speaking to, therefore you have no call to say it is a given, in any circumstance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you're 24, and I'm 57, it's a given. But not only am I speaking from experience, you're not a male, so you're in the dark. Completely.
Forgive Cyndane for her constant attempts at derailing this thread, her condescending nature, and failing to acknowledge she's not a man and therefore unqualified as to what we're experieicing.<b> Let's get back on topic now.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If I were you I wouldn't even raise the issues of lacking in the knowledge department, as first of all that's personal, and secondly I find myself correcting you numerous times on a daily basis on these fora. What's worse is you never admit when you're wrong, which is frequently. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I correct you on a regular basis, but you never admit it, because you need to have one more snide comment or some smart **** remark, I am done letting it go this time.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Again you're less than qualified to make such a statement. Your attempts to belittle the male for issues beyond his control are sad. An educated guess would say most males experience these 2 issues. Ever find a guy who LIKES condoms? I mean for other than making water balloons out of? Me either. And "a few" is probably correct. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets see.. I have had more sex with men then you have, so I can make quite a fair call in this reguard.
1. Men who can't control their arousals(under intimate conditions) do have issues, see any basic sexual psychologist and ask them. 2. I have seen guys enjoy wearing them for a couple of reasons; a) Reduce STI/STD transmissions b) Reducing pregnancy possiblity c) They can last longer if it does reduce sensitivity which can be much more pleasurable for both parties, especially if any additional lubrication is required there are massive supplies of those at any department store.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're 24, and I'm 57, it's a given. But not only am I speaking from experience, you're not a male, so you're in the dark. Completely <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It isn't a given, you have no idea how intensive my sexual background is. When you make assiane assumptions like that you end of lookingl ike a fool.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Forgive Cyndane for her constant attempts at derailing this thread, her condescending nature, and failing to acknowledge she's not a man and therefore unqualified as to what we're experieicing. Let's get back on topic now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Forgive Depot for his constant attempts to belittle me and my expertise in areas that are far beyond his comprehension. He fails to realize that age does not make one wise, but experience does, and he as pointed out he is quite immature for someone who is supposed to be 57. Lets get back on topic now.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 08:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If I were you I wouldn't even raise the issues of lacking in the knowledge department, as first of all that's personal, and secondly I find myself correcting you numerous times on a daily basis on these fora. What's worse is you never admit when you're wrong, which is frequently. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I correct you on a regular basis, but you never admit it, because you need to have one more snide comment or some smart **** remark, I am done letting it go this time.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Again you're less than qualified to make such a statement. Your attempts to belittle the male for issues beyond his control are sad. An educated guess would say most males experience these 2 issues. Ever find a guy who LIKES condoms? I mean for other than making water balloons out of? Me either. And "a few" is probably correct. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets see.. I have had more sex with men then you have, so I can make quite a fair call in this reguard.
1. Men who can't control their arousals(under intimate conditions) do have issues, see any basic sexual psychologist and ask them. 2. I have seen guys enjoy wearing them for a couple of reasons; a) Reduce STI/STD transmissions b) Reducing pregnancy possiblity c) They can last longer if it does reduce sensitivity which can be much more pleasurable for both parties, especially if any additional lubrication is required there are massive supplies of those at any department store.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're 24, and I'm 57, it's a given. But not only am I speaking from experience, you're not a male, so you're in the dark. Completely <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It isn't a given, you have no idea how intensive my sexual background is. When you make assiane assumptions like that you end of lookingl ike a fool.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Forgive Cyndane for her constant attempts at derailing this thread, her condescending nature, and failing to acknowledge she's not a man and therefore unqualified as to what we're experieicing. Let's get back on topic now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Forgive Depot for his constant attempts to belittle me and my expertise in areas that are far beyond his comprehension. He fails to realize that age does not make one wise, but experience does, and he as pointed out he is quite immature for someone who is supposed to be 57. Lets get back on topic now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice try no cigar. Did you even see my recommendation to read "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus". It would help you so much to better understand the emotional side of a man and how/why they differ so from women. This would probably go a long way in educating you on why these 2 issues regarding condoms exist. Until you admit they exist and accept this, you will not be able to deal with these problems.
It's irrelevant how many men you've had relations with, you're STILL not a man and are not capable of feeling a male's emotions and physical prowness, or lack thereof.
It's also irrelevant how much sexual experience you've had, as it's mathematically impossible for you to make up 33 years, that's a given. Everyone knows you hate to lose, and everyone knows you love to argue ... just in case you thought people don't know your game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your attempts to derail this thread with your non-sensical theories will soon come to an end, count on it.
<!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Jun 23 2005, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Jun 23 2005, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jesus **king christ I wish I was a mod right now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I apologize Moultano.
On topic:
State or government funded agencies to regulate STI/STD testing would be excellent, however someone did bring up the point that how are you to enforce that someone get mandatory screenings.
I know quite a few people that do not go in for yearly checkups, I mayself am not one of the, but that is because of the issues I've had with my health in the past, which wasn't STI/STD related.
Are we done with the resumes now? Thank you muchly. I was going to make some crack about the two old fogies getting carried away, but given I'm most likely older than Cyndane that would have been unfortunate.
I think the entire tangent can be summed up as: 1) Self-control and confidence have a great impact on performance 2) Figuring out how to open a condom should be part of pre-training
Unless there is something else lurking in there, you may as well sit down and agree.
The thread is now open. Please, keep it on subject, if anything happens like had happened earlier, the punishment will be a rather long temp ban from the Discussion forum.
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I'm a microbiologist (hence the avartar <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->) and I work in disease research (though on <i>Mycobacteria</i> spp. in animal models like Deer). I have an interest in STDs though due to their prevalence and general pathogenicity.
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Do you think people would be more apt to put up with being tested if it were part of standard physicals?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Possibly, it's certainly something that could be done.
The current and probably best idea is to develop vaccines that are protective against these organisms. I know of one against HPV (very needed, cervical cancer is terrible) and there has been good work on developing vaccines against chlamydia. Until then, responsible condom use or abstinence are the only ways of avoiding an STD.
Do you think people would be more apt to put up with being tested if it were part of standard physicals? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps, but how many people do you know (besides me) who get annual physicals? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't know, I've never really asked people, but I figured it was probably the most common medical experience people have, aside from going to the dentist, and with numbers like that I think it would make sense.
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And there, I suppose, is the root of our problems. Lack of knowledge about health is pretty rampant in everything from sleep to food to drugs. Yet, for some reason, large portions of society encourage sexual ignorance. Forget the extremists: Parents don't talk to their children because it is embarassing, children don't talk to their parents because they are afraid of getting in trouble, teachers tend to avoid it...
Even in a fairly permission forum like this one we're near the line, and the mods are producing grey hairs and kittens at an incredible rate. What on earth is wrong with our culture? I was lucky enough to grow up in an environment where a high-school auditorium full of kids could get a presentation on sex and STDs, and some actually had the nerve to ask questions like risks due to oral sex and getting used to condoms (It's like the bra kids, practice makes perfect).
Bonus points if we can all get past the sexual-organ measuring stage of this debate.
[edit: grammar FTW]
A lot of those issues are the result (I think) of completely inadequate media portrayal of medical science. If you believed everything you heard on the news, you would think that the scientific community does a complete about face every 6 months on every significant health issue. Everytime someone somewhere has an idea and a PhD the news slobbers all over it without any regard to the actual facts, careful to throw in a lot of "mights" and throwing a question mark at the end of every statement. "Could Advil lead to unexpected kitten pregnancies after a full moon? News at 11." This leads to a general distrust of science among the population ("What do those scientists know anyways?") and you end up with a population dramatically misinformed.
Another serious issue is the lack of qualified health professionals teaching health class in school. All of ours doubled as gym teachers, and quite frankly, didn't know **** about ****.
Cyndane, why are you taking offense? Do you honestly think that someone will learn more about the sensations involved with a bit of anatomy, when they don't posess it? That's like a blind person being ticked off that people don't want to hear their opinion of a painting. Sure, they can take in the texture of the brushstrokes, canvas, the scent of the paint, the weight and heft... but they will not see the picture as someone with eyes would.
Abortion relies on raw anatomy. It is not subjective. The point is not to make the abortion feel good, after all... it's a means to an end. Condoms are similarly so... but they are meant to facilitate the sensation, while still offering protection.
It'd be like me describing how a condom feels while my partner is wearing one. Err... okay, flawed analogy there. But you should get the idea.
I seriously detest being called inexperienced becuase you think you men are somehow "above" me when it comes to male sexual organ. I'd say I have just as much experience on the sexual side of things as any of you, (save depot maybe).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. At abortion we were talking about freedom of choice and right of an unborn child, not the uterus.
2. We were talking about how men experiences an condom. Which you cant ever now, just like men cant ever know how it feels like to give birth to a baby.
Simple logic.
[Edit] hmz Depot practicly said the same..
Sorry moultano didn't really read those "on-topic" posts, I always have a great urge to claim my right when I'm sure about my point.
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed.
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well here we go again . . .
Your experience matters. The issue was how you were casually dismissing all of us as being:
inexperienced
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Lazy
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, for those that are claiming condoms decrease the sensitivity, it is more of a cop-out on their part for being lazy and not wanting to spend a little extra money to protect themselves and their partners.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and insulted all of our girlfriends.
And all of this you justified based on hearsay from people you've been involved with?
Give me a break.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, for those that are claiming condoms decrease the sensitivity, it is more of a cop-out on their part for being lazy and not wanting to spend a little extra money to protect themselves and their partners. If you truly did care for the person you are enjoying the intimate pleasures with, you would take the time to make sure both of you were protected, from either STDs or pregnancy, either one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imply men who don't like condoms are
1. lazy
2. don't care
3. are greedy
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sorry guys, but if you can't hold it for the whole two minutes it takes to put one of those on, perhaps you should find better partners.
All I am seeing are excuses, I have yet to see anything that suggests other then opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. You suggest we can't get properly aroused
5. U suggest our partners aren't good enough at sex to properly arouse us.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Its a cop out, why? There shouldn't be any pressure, if there is pressure in the bedroom you need to find a new partner. Pleasing each other shouldn't result in any pressure.
Pressure tends to lead to horrible sexual experiences, I WOULD know from experience in that reguard.
Statement still stands, they are excuses.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
6. Insult at our partners again.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then you guys are so inexeperienced you have no idea how to block out basic distractions. Sad really. I was hoping depot would at least be experienced enough to know different, but he didn't grow up with condoms being widely used, which would account for that, although they have been around since the 1900s.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
7. Claim we don't have enough experience.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not to mention, just to make sure you don't think I'm just picking you guys, the girl should assist the guy just to make sure in case you guys don't have the dexterity to put it on quickly and easily, that way it becomes part of the foreplay.
I have never had any issues with men putting on condoms, then again perhaps I just have exceptional taste in men who have dexterity, of course I have helped out a few times.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
8. Imply lack of dexterity
Wow you've said alot of insulting things about us men didn't u? And what did we do? We disagreed with your point because of lack of argument. A female cant know if a condom reduses sensitivity because she can't feel it herself. You'd never mentioned the feedback of your partners.
Your own I'm right ur wrong
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unless there is some study I am not aware of, condoms do not decrease sensitivity enough to even warrant notice of it. Of course not all men are built the same in that area so I would guess that the larger then male is the more he may notice it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your word against ours, you didn't even mention your partners like you just said in the last post. Your point would be taken in consideration if you said something like "my partners said it themslves they don't feel any difference" Them not complaining is not a valid argument which you didn't even give.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, lets throw out my opinion because I do not have male antomy... good job hypocrites.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't need to know the male anatomy just need to be able to feel it. What would you say if I said giving birth was a piece of cake?
Also take in consideration that your partners don't feel any difference but we do. Like you said not all men are build the same in that area. If we say we do experience a difference why won't you believe us just because someone else tells you they don't. That's just like hitting some pumped body builder in the stomach and asking him if he felt anything. He said hardly, oh well then every male will hardly feel anything. Note that all males are differently build around the stomach.
[Edit] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well here we go again . . .
Your experience matters. The issue was how you were casually dismissing all of us as being:
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QFT
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop taking it personally. You <b>DON'T</b> have male genes, you <b>DON'T</b> have male hormones, you<b> DON"T</b> react like a man to the same situations, and you <b>DON'T</b> have a ****. All of that being said, <span style='color:white'><b>NO</b></span> women is qualified to comment on either the loss of sensitivity due to wearing a condom, or the awkwardness of having to rip that damn foil package open to get to the condom, so you can then fight to get the damn thing on to a more-than-likely failed erection.
I rest my case.
Obviously my personal experiences do not mean anything to anyone here, but yours do because your male? Wow... double standards ftw.
I am almost never in any way offended but to brush aside me like I was worthless, I'm sure even you men would feel the same if the situations were reversed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop taking it personally. You <b>DON'T</b> have male genes, you <b>DON'T</b> have male hormones, you<b> DON"T</b> react like a man to the same situations, and you <b>DON'T</b> have a ****. All of that being said, <span style='color:white'><b>NO</b></span> women is qualified to comment on either the loss of sensitivity due to wearing a condom, or the awkwardness of having to rip that damn foil package open to get to the condom, so you can then fight to get the damn thing on to a more-than-likely failed erection.
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I wouldn't go that far. I could imagine a female sex counselor having very accurate impressions of these things through experience with a multitude of clients, and could probably offer meaningful advice on how to minimize the negative effects.
That said, can we PLEeeaze get back on topic.
The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.
You moultano, and I am just referring to you in this paragraph was the fact you said only during the first times of exploring each others bodies that you can stay consistantly aroused, if you think relationships dilute into routine sexual encounters you have never had an adult relationship. Those that wish to keep it as good as the first time will always try something different and it doesn't have to be positions, nor endurance, it can just be fun little things, say a little romance before hand. Super extended foreplay, various silks, robes, clothes etc. I am quite concerned that you think a relationship in the bedroom ends up being routine.
I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.
I'd also like to point out that a woman can tell if a condom would reduce sensitivity for her, which I find it does not. Although I have a personal preference towards the polyurethane ones, I am more then happy with any of the others as well, including the female ones.
I would love to move on to more on topic points, but I am growing constiently tired of anything I say being thrown out the window as hogwash. Which has been done numerous times in this forum, by the same people over and over.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
PLEASE try to avoid the condescension. You act like you are personally offended that someone could have trouble with a condom wrapper.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You moultano, and I am just referring to you in this paragraph was the fact you said only during the first times of exploring each others bodies that you can stay consistantly aroused, if you think relationships dilute into routine sexual encounters you have never had an adult relationship. Those that wish to keep it as good as the first time will always try something different and it doesn't have to be positions, nor endurance, it can just be fun little things, say a little romance before hand. Super extended foreplay, various silks, robes, clothes etc. I am quite concerned that you think a relationship in the bedroom ends up being routine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That isn't what I was saying. Your argument was that the mere presence of the person should be more than enough to keep you aroused. I was saying that you have to do more than simply be there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How on earth does it matter anyways?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd also like to point out that a woman can tell if a condom would reduce sensitivity for her, which I find it does not. Although I have a personal preference towards the polyurethane ones, I am more then happy with any of the others as well, including the female ones.
I would love to move on to more on topic points, but I am growing constiently tired of anything I say being thrown out the window as hogwash. Which has been done numerous times in this forum, by the same people over and over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you don't want us to dismiss what you are saying, don't insult us.
On with the discussion.
The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.
You moultano, and I am just referring to you in this paragraph was the fact you said only during the first times of exploring each others bodies that you can stay consistantly aroused, if you think relationships dilute into routine sexual encounters you have never had an adult relationship. Those that wish to keep it as good as the first time will always try something different and it doesn't have to be positions, nor endurance, it can just be fun little things, say a little romance before hand. Super extended foreplay, various silks, robes, clothes etc. I am quite concerned that you think a relationship in the bedroom ends up being routine.
I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.
I'd also like to point out that a woman can tell if a condom would reduce sensitivity for her, which I find it does not. Although I have a personal preference towards the polyurethane ones, I am more then happy with any of the others as well, including the female ones.
I would love to move on to more on topic points, but I am growing constiently tired of anything I say being thrown out the window as hogwash. Which has been done numerous times in this forum, by the same people over and over.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It was all justified based on the fact I have more experience and you do not. You are all quite young to be discussing sexual practices and unless you were, and pardon the expression, a promiscuous person, while you were still in your teens, I am being more then fair to even consider some of those opinions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again you are speculating, resulting in the condescending attitude that you know more than anyone else because you <i>think</i> you're older or more experienced. For you to make the claims you have thusfar proves to me your own experience is limited at best.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The statements of your inexperience were quite justified. As evidenced by your "hard to open wrappers", perhaps I just have more hand-eye coordination during the "heat of the moment" (when I decided to put them on my said partner) but that is sad when you have issues opening something that is already pre-cut for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on. It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't. Nothing that you say or do will change this issue.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I conceeded that depot might more experience, but even that is up for debate as I have no idea how he was when he was younger nor how active he is now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No <i>might</i> about it, it's a given. Every statement I have made on these 2 issues was based on more experiences than you or anyone on these fora have a right to know. By comparison you have NEVER experienced these 2 problems. Ever.
Let's get back on topic guys and girls. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on.
It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't.
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Then they need some form of sexual counseling to assist them with issues of losing their arousals so fast. I find it is far easier to turn a guy on then off, as I'm sure a few would agree with.
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No might about it, it's a given.
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Nothing is ever given online, because you have no idea of the background of with whom you are speaking to, therefore you have no call to say it is a given, in any circumstance.
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What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on.
It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't.
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Then they need some form of sexual counseling to assist them with issues of losing their arousals so fast. I find it is far easier to turn a guy on then off, as I'm sure a few would agree with.
<!--QuoteBegin-depot+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (depot)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
No might about it, it's a given.
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Nothing is ever given online, because you have no idea of the background of with whom you are speaking to, therefore you have no call to say it is a given, in any circumstance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What is surprising is you took the same attitude towards me depot, that condesending know it all, but in all essences you have proved your self many a time to be quite lacking in lots of knowledge specifically in this forum on a few occasions. While I might not have the male anatomy, I am very familar with how it works, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I am not sexual psychologist, but even I can recogonize when someone has problems and they don't want to admit it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I were you I wouldn't even raise the issues of lacking in the knowledge department, as first of all that's personal, and secondly I find myself correcting you numerous times on a daily basis on these fora. What's worse is you never admit when you're wrong, which is frequently.
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What is sad is that you're attempting to belittle any male that has fought to open a condom in the heat of passion and keep an erection so he can put it on.
It's a real problem that more men have experienced then haven't.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then they need some form of sexual counseling to assist them with issues of losing their arousals so fast. I find it is far easier to turn a guy on then off, as I'm sure a few would agree with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again you're less than qualified to make such a statement. Your attempts to belittle the male for issues beyond his control are sad. An educated guess would say most males experience these 2 issues. Ever find a guy who LIKES condoms? I mean for other than making water balloons out of? Me either. And "a few" is probably correct.
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No might about it, it's a given.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing is ever given online, because you have no idea of the background of with whom you are speaking to, therefore you have no call to say it is a given, in any circumstance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're 24, and I'm 57, it's a given. But not only am I speaking from experience, you're not a male, so you're in the dark. Completely.
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Forgive Cyndane for her constant attempts at derailing this thread, her condescending nature, and failing to acknowledge she's not a man and therefore unqualified as to what we're experieicing.<b> Let's get back on topic now.</b>
If I were you I wouldn't even raise the issues of lacking in the knowledge department, as first of all that's personal, and secondly I find myself correcting you numerous times on a daily basis on these fora. What's worse is you never admit when you're wrong, which is frequently.
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Actually I correct you on a regular basis, but you never admit it, because you need to have one more snide comment or some smart **** remark, I am done letting it go this time.
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Again you're less than qualified to make such a statement. Your attempts to belittle the male for issues beyond his control are sad. An educated guess would say most males experience these 2 issues. Ever find a guy who LIKES condoms? I mean for other than making water balloons out of? Me either. And "a few" is probably correct.
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Lets see.. I have had more sex with men then you have, so I can make quite a fair call in this reguard.
1. Men who can't control their arousals(under intimate conditions) do have issues, see any basic sexual psychologist and ask them.
2. I have seen guys enjoy wearing them for a couple of reasons;
a) Reduce STI/STD transmissions
b) Reducing pregnancy possiblity
c) They can last longer if it does reduce sensitivity which can be much more pleasurable for both parties, especially if any additional lubrication is required there are massive supplies of those at any department store.
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If you're 24, and I'm 57, it's a given. But not only am I speaking from experience, you're not a male, so you're in the dark. Completely
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It isn't a given, you have no idea how intensive my sexual background is. When you make assiane assumptions like that you end of lookingl ike a fool.
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Forgive Cyndane for her constant attempts at derailing this thread, her condescending nature, and failing to acknowledge she's not a man and therefore unqualified as to what we're experieicing. Let's get back on topic now.
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Forgive Depot for his constant attempts to belittle me and my expertise in areas that are far beyond his comprehension. He fails to realize that age does not make one wise, but experience does, and he as pointed out he is quite immature for someone who is supposed to be 57. Lets get back on topic now.
If I were you I wouldn't even raise the issues of lacking in the knowledge department, as first of all that's personal, and secondly I find myself correcting you numerous times on a daily basis on these fora. What's worse is you never admit when you're wrong, which is frequently.
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Actually I correct you on a regular basis, but you never admit it, because you need to have one more snide comment or some smart **** remark, I am done letting it go this time.
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Again you're less than qualified to make such a statement. Your attempts to belittle the male for issues beyond his control are sad. An educated guess would say most males experience these 2 issues. Ever find a guy who LIKES condoms? I mean for other than making water balloons out of? Me either. And "a few" is probably correct.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lets see.. I have had more sex with men then you have, so I can make quite a fair call in this reguard.
1. Men who can't control their arousals(under intimate conditions) do have issues, see any basic sexual psychologist and ask them.
2. I have seen guys enjoy wearing them for a couple of reasons;
a) Reduce STI/STD transmissions
b) Reducing pregnancy possiblity
c) They can last longer if it does reduce sensitivity which can be much more pleasurable for both parties, especially if any additional lubrication is required there are massive supplies of those at any department store.
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If you're 24, and I'm 57, it's a given. But not only am I speaking from experience, you're not a male, so you're in the dark. Completely
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It isn't a given, you have no idea how intensive my sexual background is. When you make assiane assumptions like that you end of lookingl ike a fool.
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Forgive Cyndane for her constant attempts at derailing this thread, her condescending nature, and failing to acknowledge she's not a man and therefore unqualified as to what we're experieicing. Let's get back on topic now.
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Forgive Depot for his constant attempts to belittle me and my expertise in areas that are far beyond his comprehension. He fails to realize that age does not make one wise, but experience does, and he as pointed out he is quite immature for someone who is supposed to be 57. Lets get back on topic now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice try no cigar. Did you even see my recommendation to read "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus". It would help you so much to better understand the emotional side of a man and how/why they differ so from women. This would probably go a long way in educating you on why these 2 issues regarding condoms exist. Until you admit they exist and accept this, you will not be able to deal with these problems.
It's irrelevant how many men you've had relations with, you're STILL not a man and are not capable of feeling a male's emotions and physical prowness, or lack thereof.
It's also irrelevant how much sexual experience you've had, as it's mathematically impossible for you to make up 33 years, that's a given. Everyone knows you hate to lose, and everyone knows you love to argue ... just in case you thought people don't know your game. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your attempts to derail this thread with your non-sensical theories will soon come to an end, count on it.
I apologize Moultano.
On topic:
State or government funded agencies to regulate STI/STD testing would be excellent, however someone did bring up the point that how are you to enforce that someone get mandatory screenings.
I know quite a few people that do not go in for yearly checkups, I mayself am not one of the, but that is because of the issues I've had with my health in the past, which wasn't STI/STD related.
I think the entire tangent can be summed up as:
1) Self-control and confidence have a great impact on performance
2) Figuring out how to open a condom should be part of pre-training
Unless there is something else lurking in there, you may as well sit down and agree.