Is This Legal?

Alcapwn · June 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">My ISP blocking BT packets...?</div> <a href='http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,12687503~mode=flat~days=9999' target='_blank'>My ISP blocking BT packets!</a>

What the hell? I knew i was having problems with BT (i use Bittornado) i checked the good ole BBR forums, and sure enough, theres a 14 page discusssion on my ISP blocking bt packets. Does anyone know a way around this? So far, nobody has found a surefire way around it. This is total crap!

Depot · June 2005

Sux to be you man. That's just plain horrible. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' />

Cold_NiTe · June 2005

Thank god comcast doesn't seem to care what I download.

Not that they need to... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

Depot · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Jun 26 2005, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Thank god comcast doesn't seem to care what I download.

Not that they need to... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
QFT! I have them too, with 4mbit down and 375kbps up ... w00h00!

Cold_NiTe · June 2005

375KBPS UP?!? @__@ THEY CAP ME AT 40!!!

Jesus CHRIST.

Gadzuko · June 2005

Well, it's perfectly legal, they are a private company and it is their service... I'd advise taking care of business in good capitalist fashion and switch ISPs if at all possible.

Breakthrough · June 2005

Rogers for me... 5mbps download, 800kbps upload. Don't care what you do with it.

Canada FTW <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Sucks to have OOL though, switch to another ISP if you need torrents that bad...

Cereal_KillR · June 2005

Well your ISP has the right to change the terms of service as they see fit, but they can't use the "we're preventing you from haxxoring the internets" excuse, because BT is a very legal program, as are most P2P programs. It's not the program that's illegal nor its use, it's using it to download bad files.

That said, try contacting them and seeing what their reason is for their action.

Thansal · June 2005

hrmmm

I was actualy getting a simmilar problem before...

I jsut changed my ports and I can suddenly use BT again..

so <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

AnarkiThreeXSix · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Jun 26 2005, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 375KBPS UP?!? @__@ THEY CAP ME AT 40!!!

Jesus CHRIST. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i think he means the 375KBPS sorta equals ~40kBPS which is what i have also.. gotta watch for the kapital k's!

the bt blocking is just dumb -_- i blame the **AA <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

ah yeah, and some isps monitor it by ports... like thansal said.. i never use bt with default ports since it doesnt matter which ports it uses...

Crono5 · June 2005

Yeah, bits aren't bytes, they like to measure speeds in bits so you get all hyped up and buy it

"3 MBPS DOWNSTREAM!? ZOMG" when in reality it's 0.375 megabytes down. That happened to me once D:

8 bits in a byte.

EDIT: Er... Back on topic... That's pretty iffy right there, are they the only broadband ISP in your area? I'd switch pretty quickly if I were in your position, especially considering I don't normally use BT for illegal things (game demos and preview videos X: )

Supernorn · June 2005

That sucks man. I remember when my ISP blocked the Steam ports. Couldnt play any game online until I switched.

Trevelyan · June 2005

They could be blocking some other software and are inadvertantly blocking BT.

Yeah go talk to them, then flip them the bird when they tell you they aren't changing it.

Oh don't forget... Us forumites smoke while we flip the bird. t('.')y=~

DOOManiac · June 2005

I was gonna say 'switch isp's then I noticed that it was Cox, which is MY isp. :( :(

And they have a complete monopoly over broadband here in Oklahoma. It's either go w/ Cox for cable speed, or go w/ the sometimes SLOWER than 56K DSL service...

I want a T1. :(

Alcapwn · June 2005

It isnt cox, its cablevision's OOL...

Changing ports doesent work (they already tested it in that thread) it seems like CV is sending fake packets too the clients that makes it seem like the upload/download is done, and making the torrent terminate itself...

As soon as <a href='http://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/channels/Fios/HighSpeedInternetForHome.asp' target='_blank'>Verizon FIOS</a> hits my block, im going to make every effort to convince my parents to switch (shouldnt be too hard, they hate my cable company, we pay over $140 in service for them for digital cable, phone, and internet).

Cereal_KillR · June 2005

What kind of person in a sane condition calls their company Cox?

TommyVercetti · June 2005

Suscom cable, really nice company out of Pennsylvania. They just now moved into NY and are buying up all of RCN's old stuff. So far, they have been awesome. I got a free cable upgrade (Cinemax, HBO, etc.) and my internet speed got bumped up to 5mbps up 1.5mbps down, free of charge. However, their tech support is positively overwhelmed with all the new terrtitory they've been taking.

Alcapwn · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jun 26 2005, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Suscom cable, really nice company out of Pennsylvania. They just now moved into NY and are buying up all of RCN's old stuff. So far, they have been awesome. I got a free cable upgrade (Cinemax, HBO, etc.) and my internet speed got bumped up to 5mbps up 1.5mbps down, free of charge. However, their tech support is positively overwhelmed with all the new terrtitory they've been taking.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Get ready for cablevision to come and eat them up...

...no seriously, cablevision has some dirty tricks up its sleeve. Just look at what they did too the west side stadium (Do you know one of the two people who voted it down had his son as an executive in CV?) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

TommyVercetti · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 26 2005, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jun 26 2005, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Suscom cable, really nice company out of Pennsylvania. They just now moved into NY and are buying up all of RCN's old stuff. So far, they have been awesome. I got a free cable upgrade (Cinemax, HBO, etc.) and my internet speed got bumped up to 5mbps up 1.5mbps down, free of charge. However, their tech support is positively overwhelmed with all the new terrtitory they've been taking. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Get ready for cablevision to come and eat them up...

...no seriously, cablevision has some dirty tricks up its sleeve. Just look at what they did too the west side stadium (Do you know one of the two people who voted it down had his son as an executive in CV?) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
In that case I might have to pull out the 'ol AK and do some convincing.

Amplifier · June 2005

If they are just blocking the ports you can change the port you are using for bit torrent.

Alcapwn · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amplifier @ Jun 26 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If they are just blocking the ports you can change the port you are using for bit torrent.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
But its not that simple, there dropping the packets along the line, it doesent matter what port i use.

CommunistWithAGun · June 2005

Switch ISPs, or threaten them. I called verizon online for dropping my BT packets, I said "Why are my packets being dropped, its only bit torrent" "We dont know what your talking about" "Okay then I want to cancel my account" "One moment" I ended up talking to a rep saying "This is terrible!" ever since my connection was doubled and unlocked BT <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

SoulSkorpion · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 27 2005, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amplifier @ Jun 26 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If they are just blocking the ports you can change the port you are using for bit torrent. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But its not that simple, there dropping the packets along the line, it doesent matter what port i use.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
What, they're sniffing the packets to see if they <i>are</i> bittorrent and are dropping them if so? I find that difficult to believe.

Alcapwn · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jun 26 2005, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 27 2005, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amplifier @ Jun 26 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If they are just blocking the ports you can change the port you are using for bit torrent. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But its not that simple, there dropping the packets along the line, it doesent matter what port i use. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
What, they're sniffing the packets to see if they <i>are</i> bittorrent and are dropping them if so? I find that difficult to believe.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Did you read the link in my first post?

You dont have to read all of it, but long story short, <i>yup</i> there sniffing out the packets and dropping them.

Alcapwn · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 26 2005, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Switch ISPs, or threaten them. I called verizon online for dropping my BT packets, I said "Why are my packets being dropped, its only bit torrent" "We dont know what your talking about" "Okay then I want to cancel my account" "One moment" I ended up talking to a rep saying "This is terrible!" ever since my connection was doubled and unlocked BT <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I wish it was that simple, the only other viable ISP in my area is Verizon DSL, and i dont want to make the major downgrade in speed (i would be going from 10/2 to 3/.768) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

FIOS is coming, though.

SoulSkorpion · June 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 27 2005, 12:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jun 26 2005, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 27 2005, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Amplifier @ Jun 26 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If they are just blocking the ports you can change the port you are using for bit torrent. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But its not that simple, there dropping the packets along the line, it doesent matter what port i use. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
What, they're sniffing the packets to see if they <i>are</i> bittorrent and are dropping them if so? I find that difficult to believe. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Did you read the link in my first post?

You dont have to read all of it, but long story short, <i>yup</i> there sniffing out the packets and dropping them.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
No I didn't.

I'll shut up now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

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