Video Gamers May Have Quicker Eyes

ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Video game players may spend a lot of time on the couch, but when they're ready to go out they can find their keys quicker than the rest of us, a study suggests.

Researchers found that gamers who devote much of their free time to Grand Theft Auto and Super Mario may be able to scan their environment and spot the target of their search more quickly than non-gamers can.

In experiments with college students who were either hard-core video game players or novices, the researchers found that players were quicker to detect target objects on a busy computer screen than their peers were.

The findings, published in the journal Acta Psychologica, suggest that the vigilant watchfulness video games require makes for quicker visual processing.

Gamers' brains don't appear to have any specialized search strategy, they're just faster, explained lead study author Dr. Alan Castel, a post-doctorate fellow in psychology at Washington University in St. Louis.

Specifically, both groups of students were similar when it came to the search principle of "inhibition of return." According to Castel, this means that when people look for their keys, they look in one place, and if the keys aren't there, they will look in a number of other spots before giving the original location a second go-around.

In the experiments, he told Reuters Health, video gamers used the same search strategy as non-gamers did. "They just executed it faster," he said.

What this means for real life is uncertain. The advantage video game players held over their peers was on the order of 100 milliseconds, Castel noted.

<b>It's possible, though, that a gamer's speedier visual processing could make the difference between, for example, crashing a car and averting an accident</b>, according to Castel.

That doesn't mean, however, that people should take up video games to improve their driving records. That 100-millisecond advantage could take a lot of playing time, Castel said; gamers in his study played 6 days a week, on average, for about 2 hours each day.

Video games have been much criticized for their violent content and for contributing to couch-potato lifestyles. This study, Castel noted, doesn't judge video games as "good" or "bad." It just suggests they feed a very particular expertise.

The main research interest, according to Castel, is in whether video games, through effects on visual processing, attention and movement, can be useful in rehabilitating the brain--after a stroke, for instance, or in cases of age-related memory loss. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>"This study, Castel noted, doesn't judge video games as "good" or "bad." It just suggests they feed a very particular expertise."</b>

Imagine how much NS feeds that "very particular expertise," especially commanders.

I'd love to see how many parts of the brain are active when someone's commanding or leading a heavy train assault in a make-or-break attempt at a hive.
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  • R_A_CR_A_C Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16273Members
    This is the best article on video games in a long time. That's really all I have to say.
  • KGB_GaralKGB_Garal Join Date: 2005-06-09 Member: 53476Members
    I've read something like that before.. It's kinda weird though because just yesterday I almost hit some lady that turned infront of me trying to make a u-turn from the wrong lane.. but luckily I saw her plenty early and stopped with plenty of room to spare. Anyways the article does make a lot of sense.. too bad most people are hell bent on bashing video games ;p
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited July 2005
    I'm probably about to restate something the full scientific article points out, but now we have to figure out whether the games are making gamers eyes/brains/whatever more responsive, or if it's that people with more responsive eyes/brains/whatever are more likely to enjoy (and thus play more of) such games.
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Think there have been quite a few studies suggesting the same thing. Wonder if we will ever get a discount on car insurance because of this....hell woman get discounts for being woman in the UK....
  • KGB_GaralKGB_Garal Join Date: 2005-06-09 Member: 53476Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->woman get discounts for being woman in the UK....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They do here too.. And the best part is women are generally much worse drivers from my experiences.
  • Deus_Ex_MachinaDeus_Ex_Machina Join Date: 2004-07-01 Member: 29674Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-KGB Garal+Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KGB Garal @ Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->woman get discounts for being woman in the UK....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They do here too.. And the best part is women are generally much worse drivers from my experiences. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, but women don't race trains.
  • KGB_GaralKGB_Garal Join Date: 2005-06-09 Member: 53476Members
    They should pass a law so that if someone dies doing something stupid, like racing a train, the insurance company doesn't have to pay for it ;p WTB cheaper insurance damn it.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Deus Ex Machina+Jul 3 2005, 12:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Deus Ex Machina @ Jul 3 2005, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-KGB Garal+Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KGB Garal @ Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->woman get discounts for being woman in the UK....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They do here too.. And the best part is women are generally much worse drivers from my experiences. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, but women don't race trains. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nah, they park their cars over the tracks, get out, stand on the roof and say "If you don't stop this train RIGHT THIS SECOND Daniel, you will NOT get dinner toni-".
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Deus Ex Machina+Jul 2 2005, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Deus Ex Machina @ Jul 2 2005, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-KGB Garal+Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KGB Garal @ Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->woman get discounts for being woman in the UK....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They do here too.. And the best part is women are generally much worse drivers from my experiences. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, but women don't race trains. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No way in hell they have the skill to.
  • Splinter_SteveSplinter_Steve Join Date: 2005-03-20 Member: 45881Members
    In a counter-story, the negligent parent association of america has deemed that gamers can also spot things like drug dealers, liberal propaganda, and satan faster. This is conclusively a big part of the drug, lost ethics, and NS's dying community problems.

    Sorry, it's like 4:30 in the morning and I'm bitter at the anti-gaming morons, but we all are, right?

    Awesome article, it makes a lot of sense even though it's not conclusive.
  • Steel_TrollSteel_Troll Join Date: 2004-02-12 Member: 26455Members
    I bet NS players have even faster vision + reflexes due to the fast movement of lerks, skulks and fades. IMO there are sometimes when i feel i'm playing by instinct and just sort of know wher to flip and shoot with my shottie, those are some of the best feeling kills ever.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Playing lots of NS keeps one ... young and sharp! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Splinter Steve?+Jul 3 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Splinter Steve? @ Jul 3 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In a counter-story, the negligent parent association of america has deemed that gamers can also spot things like drug dealers, liberal propaganda, and satan faster. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I personally have quite a bit of trouble picking out satan in a lineup.
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mouse+Jul 3 2005, 12:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mouse @ Jul 3 2005, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Splinter Steve?+Jul 3 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Splinter Steve? @ Jul 3 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In a counter-story, the negligent parent association of america has deemed that gamers can also spot things like drug dealers, liberal propaganda, and satan faster. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I personally have quite a bit of trouble picking out satan in a lineup. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Look for the guy in the nice suit
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    Didn't we already know this for a fact since like... Quake 2 came out?
  • KGB_GaralKGB_Garal Join Date: 2005-06-09 Member: 53476Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Jul 3 2005, 05:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Jul 3 2005, 05:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Didn't we already know this for a fact since like... Quake 2 came out? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Lol.. coming from the guy with the Quake sig.. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> But yea I'm pretty sure I've heard stuff like this a good while ago.. I think the first I heard about it was around when MoH:AA came out.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Deus Ex Machina+Jul 2 2005, 10:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Deus Ex Machina @ Jul 2 2005, 10:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-KGB Garal+Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KGB Garal @ Jul 2 2005, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->woman get discounts for being woman in the UK....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They do here too.. And the best part is women are generally much worse drivers from my experiences. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, but women don't race trains. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bet me! I was in my friends car, and <b>she</b> saw a train coming from the west, the gates started closing and she turned east, going twice the speed limit for a couple blocks, turned as the gates from that street were closing, and scared the pance off me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Crazy women drivers.
  • CyberPitzCyberPitz Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31301Members, Constellation
    I'm proof of the article being false. I'm a hardcore gamer, and just about daily I search for about 30 minutes looking for my shoes, which are right in the middle of the floor <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    It's possible, though, that a gamer's speedier visual processing could make the difference between, for example, crashing a car and averting an accident, according to Castel.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    this i have previously attributed to saving my life on the road one day. It was like out of a video game. Going 80 on a highway at night. Van in front of me slams on their breaks, so do i naturally. My breaks are not stoping me fast enough, a collision is eminent. I view to my right lane and there is debree everywhere, so that isn't a turning option. I get closer to the van, so i duck into the median with no clue what was there. Hit the median, car whiplashes back almost into the van but i pull it back in time. I look, oh god ther eis a car parked in the median with people in front of it. Crap. Still not stoping fast enough. I did the insane, i speed up, got in front of the fan, jerked back into the highway. Zoomed off. Now this was all in a time from of like 5 seconds.

    i think i literally shouted WTH when i was done, but from that moment on i knew my gaming had SOMETHING to do with those insane reflexes and quick thinking. I attribute my years of gaming ot having partially helped me live past that day unscathed.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi+Jul 3 2005, 01:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Jul 3 2005, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [...]
    i think i literally shouted WTH when i was done, but from that moment on i knew my gaming had SOMETHING to do with those insane reflexes and quick thinking. I attribute my years of gaming ot having partially helped me live past that day unscathed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And I attribute your going 80mph on the highway to raising my insurance prices <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    (no insult intended, Ken, and nice work on saving your skin there)
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    I can also attest to this <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    An umbrella next to my PC almost fell. Now, if I were some normal person I would turn my head around and actually confirm that the umbrella is falling.
    To a person who has gamed however, they can just move their eyes toward mentioned umbrella. This is most likely, in the case of FPS gamers, due to the constant contraction of the ocular muscles. This results in the muscles being much more efficient.

    Now if combined with improved hand-eye coordination (again likely through games <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) the person JUST might be able to catch the umbrella, with just taking a quick glance for a split second.

    Not to boast about it or anything, but that was exactly what I did. Quick peek around the corner, and catch it.

    But then again, there's a downside to everything. For one thing, my eyeballs move too fast to actually look around slowly. It's always the uber twitchy eyeball movement I have. A person from my school who just watches anime all day (an anime crackhead to be exact <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) could move his eyes MUCH more slowly.
  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    heh it was a 70mph zone so yeah i was speeding a little <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    edited July 2005
    Meh, I read an article in the "Discovery" magazine (Never heard of it until I saw it at the airport) the study suggests that games enhance the thinking process. Combining various elements such as logic, navigation, and finesse in games lead to an excercise of the mind. Basically, gamers can process more information effieciently.

    So besides pin-pointing objects effectively, think about the kind of stuff your doing when your commanding. Your are required to monitor, think, and plan out. Then, when the **** hits the fan, you need to react with lighting speed, and determine alternate choices accordingly. Not to mention a slew of other things such as resource and time management.

    A long way from the "ADD inflicted idiot hyper child that craves extreme violence" isn't it?

    EDIT: The negative side to this article is that gamers tend to um, "hook on" much like a high. Also, I don't know if this happens to some people, but stuff from games tend to "phase" in to my life. I caught myself actually bunny hopping once, also I tried to "switch" my weapon to a knife...
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Given that computer games have largely developed as an extension of training simulations, I'm inclined to respond with a considered...


    <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Well DUH.</span>

    Next news item, practicing a musical instrument makes your performance better. And running increases your aerobic capacity. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Jul 4 2005, 01:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Jul 4 2005, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Given that computer games have largely developed as an extension of training simulations, I'm inclined to respond with a considered...


    <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Well DUH.</span>

    Next news item, practicing a musical instrument makes your performance better. And running increases your aerobic capacity. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, I'm sure there are more pointless directions we could go with research. We'll know we've hit rock bottom when we start seeing seriously-funded, seriously-run research into whether consuming alcoholic drinks makes men think women are more attractive than when sober.
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    Well, you know, people are stupid. That is why
    parents think that video games are super massive
    violent hyper gore simulators for children that are
    supposedly "ADD inflicted" and "have no self control."
  • SuitePeeSuitePee Join Date: 2004-11-18 Member: 32857Members
    Heh,video games also invoke greater mental capacity. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Memory-wise. All to do with learning AI patterns and even multi-player patterns.
    And btw Manhunt never did get banned......
    But yes,funny how video games are blamed for everything. Soap operas are much worse and much more real-life based.

    It's the person inside,not what he/she plays on.
    People just like their scapegoats..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-SuitePee+Jul 4 2005, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuitePee @ Jul 4 2005, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Heh,video games also invoke greater mental capacity. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Memory-wise. All to do with learning AI patterns and even multi-player patterns.
    And btw Manhunt never did get banned......
    But yes,funny how video games are blamed for everything. Soap operas are much worse and much more real-life based.

    It's the person inside,not what he/she plays on.
    People just like their scapegoats..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks to Manhunt I now know of numerous ways to kill people with common everyday items.
  • BadMouthBadMouth It ceases to be exclusive when you can have a custom member titl Join Date: 2004-05-21 Member: 28815Members
    i just read that there is this kid who has to go through shock therapy cos he's addicted to the internet. Spent four whole days at an internet cafe.
  • MetalcatMetalcat Join Date: 2004-08-11 Member: 30528Members
    well then he is a giant idiot
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