I like how the packaging itself says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the IGA... or the data they'll be taking from my system... you have to open it to find out.
EA can go to hell. First and last game I'll ever buy from them.
You just have to update Punkbuster I believe. Sonic, if you're not going to be helpful, you could at least be truthful. Do you really think EA has gone out of its way to make the game not work?
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1570630:date=Oct 20 2006, 08:56 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Oct 20 2006, 08:56 AM) [snapback]1570630[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You just have to update Punkbuster I believe. Sonic, if you're not going to be helpful, you could at least be truthful. Do you really think EA has gone out of its way to make the game not work? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd say they have. Maybe not the game specifically, but hey, they intentionally broke Windows, didn't they? There are ways around security flaws that don't involve <i>uninstalling a critical windows patch.</i>
MonkfishSonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed!Join Date: 2003-06-03Member: 16972Members
<!--quoteo(post=1570648:date=Oct 20 2006, 08:33 PM:name=Cereal_KillR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cereal_KillR @ Oct 20 2006, 08:33 PM) [snapback]1570648[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Heh there's a critical patch to be uninstalled at somepoint? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just updating PB and it's all better now! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1570636:date=Oct 20 2006, 10:06 AM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Oct 20 2006, 10:06 AM) [snapback]1570636[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'd say they have. Maybe not the game specifically, but hey, they intentionally broke Windows, didn't they? There are ways around security flaws that don't involve <i>uninstalling a critical windows patch.</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hah. That's not EA in any way, shape, or form. That exact same security update broke Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Dungeon Siege II on my computer. It's Microsoft's fault, just like EA said. You people need to stop accusing these guys of lying at every turn. Sometimes, it's actually possible for a company you don't like to be right, and for you to be wrong.
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<!--quoteo(post=1570674:date=Oct 20 2006, 07:54 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Oct 20 2006, 07:54 PM) [snapback]1570674[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Hah. That's not EA in any way, shape, or form. That exact same security update broke Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Dungeon Siege II on my computer. It's Microsoft's fault, just like EA said. You people need to stop accusing these guys of lying at every turn. Sometimes, it's actually possible for a company you don't like to be right, and for you to be wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rofl, %100 correct.
People need to stop crucifying EA. You do know that all IGA does is collect your IP address, right?
Its not checking up on what your surfing or anything like that. Quit overeacting.
MonkfishSonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed!Join Date: 2003-06-03Member: 16972Members
Now it isn't? but what about in the near future? This is just the foothold. The test. To these big companies video games are just another medium of entertainment to exploit and corrupt, to force adverts upon us when we just want to sit down and play a game. They dont care if you like it or not, to them it's just more cash rolling in. Sooner or later this is going to be the norm and you wont be saying that then, will you?
Wah wah toehold wah wah tip of the wedge wah wah slippery slope wah wah.
The internet will always provide that which is needed by the likes of us when we come across undesireable features in games. Some clever person somewhere will make a crack that undoes whatever EA did and do it undetectably. You can be sure of that.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1570674:date=Oct 20 2006, 04:54 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Oct 20 2006, 04:54 PM) [snapback]1570674[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Hah. That's not EA in any way, shape, or form. That exact same security update broke Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Dungeon Siege II on my computer. It's Microsoft's fault, just like EA said. You people need to stop accusing these guys of lying at every turn. Sometimes, it's actually possible for a company you don't like to be right, and for you to be wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would have loved to see EA specify this fact. Too bad they haven't in the three seperate press releases I've heard. If that security patch broke more than their own game I can be okay with it.
And if you want my reasons to get mad at EA, lets try this: Non-Support of past-release games once they hit a less-than-50%-of-initial-sales point, buying development studios just so they can close them down, and generally restricting their own developer's creativity(a 'common rule' they have, according to a few friends of mine that work for them in various divisions, is 3 'true' retail games(aka usual sellers), then you can move on and make your own style of thing, but, oh wait- just remember that no matter what, the property is theirs. And yes, I realise this isn't always the case, but it is a majority of the time).
I'm not overreacting one bit, either. They may 'just' be doing that, but with a description that vague, it could be vastly more, to almost any extent they like. And really, who are any of us to say if they are or aren't? Considering their honesty level in the past(promising patches to fix UI issues in BF2, persistence of lag issues in the same game, repeated lies for how long online services for many of their games last, and general crappyness and deceitful policies in customer service), I don't think we have any reason to not at least assume a little more than they say.
And may I note, that you have full legal right to return the item at any time to a store, as the game doesn't feature an offline mode, and on top of that doesn't say a word about IGA or its software on the box- stuffing it into the "technical issue" realm.
But, I digress:
I bought it. I wanted to play with my roomie. I'm enjoying myself. I don't like EA's practices, but the game is fun.
AbraWould you kindlyJoin Date: 2003-08-17Member: 19870Members
actually it dosn't just collect your IP. The little paper i got read: "...registrere din IP-adresse og andre anonyme informationer ("reklamedata"). translation; Will register your IP-adress and other anonymous informations ("ad-data"). The only thing i am a little concernd about is the "other anonymous informations" part.
but then again, do i care? no. Do i play the game and throw out the paper? Yes.
I'm mostly annoyed with the fact that they force down in-game ads down your throat. I'm one of these guys who were quite annoyed at the Sony Ericsson PDA, giant AXE billboard or a zoom-in on Sam Fischer's Airwaves in the Splinter Cell series. I guess that some people DO drink from Ubisoft mugs in secret service agencies and that some terrorists DO play Prince of Persia, but it's honestly something that feels out of place when it's shoved in your face.
This just screams "hey, not only we're ripping you off by selling a BF2 mod for more than the original, we're also getting money from publicists because we can! Don't like to download ads? Don't play the game."
Planetside has these. People disable them by blocking the IP range of the ad provider. Easily done, and you don't need to even touch the game to do it. Just a few entries in the hosts file.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited October 2006
Ohhhh??? I wasnt the only one annoyed at the unskipable EA logos? But it fits EA's vampire business scheme with buying up popular game-studios, then fit everything imaginable profitturning into the game to maximize gains, while compromising quality and consumer service, to buy up the next studio. We have to have bend over cause the majority just doesnt care.
To the people defending the fatal number of flaws in EA games, how can you accuse US for crucifying EA when they have A ###### TRACK RECORD
F-A-C-E it people, EA is as much a developer house as it's a relentless cash machine who's only purpose is to test how <i>far</i> it can go.
Because they do it at the expense of acceptable customer service. It's a "you bought it, it's not our problem anymore, deal with it yourself" logic that just doesn't work with me.
But hey, if some people are ready to buy a new Sims game every other month, I really don't see why they'd stop. I just know that I for one won't get their games.
MonkfishSonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed!Join Date: 2003-06-03Member: 16972Members
<!--quoteo(post=1570740:date=Oct 21 2006, 07:19 PM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Oct 21 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1570740[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm confused, whats wrong with a company in a captalistic society looking for a way to make more money? Since its not spyware I'm not worried. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing wrong with it, just the way they go about it with their unethical business practices and the "if you dont like it, piss off" attitude.
I just downloaded the demo and it really surprised me with its mediocrity. I immediately picked up all the controls, vehicles and maps. Nothing new from Bf2 apart from the upgrade system (not in the demo) and the titan game mode.
With that said, I still might buy it. I kinda like the little tweaks they did to it, like spawning in special deplyoable stations or vehicles instead of magically appearing next to squad leaders. The problems from bf2 are still there however.
1. Explosives. Effin hate them. The engineers roocket launcher is not there for killing people. It's for vehicles. If it you copy a class from the last game at least make the gun a LITTLE different. I swear it's like they didn't even bother remodelling it. No nades in the demo luckily, but I can imagine it's gonna be just like BF2. Super spam, deathlotto see who gets lucky and doesn't die from a nade.
2. Idiots. The game (or games, since I might aswell be writing this rant about bf2) is so much fun when people know how to play, it should be illegal. Alas, most of the time however people just TK in the titan because they want the gunship, or generally ignore everyone else on the server.
3. EA. 'Nuff said.
2142 would have made a kickass expansion, instead of all that failure that is called special forces.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--quoteo(post=1570740:date=Oct 21 2006, 07:19 AM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Oct 21 2006, 07:19 AM) [snapback]1570740[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm confused, whats wrong with a company in a captalistic society looking for a way to make more money? Since its not spyware I'm not worried. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's wrong when they begin to sacrifice the base tennets of product quality. I also think everytime with the next EA release the consumers would finally be fed up, but it has yet to show.
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
edited October 2006
It's also a shame how if you see where things are going and you stop and say "whoa, I don't know about this" and take a stand over a gradual change, nobody looks at the big picture and you get called paranoid, an extremist, etc.
I will bet everyone on earth an e-cookie that this same thing will happen again next time they raise the bar. A few of us will go "no, screw you EA; we're not going there" and the rest will go "What's the big deal? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> " and buy the game anyway.
I know it isn't that much of a deal when we could be on the brink of NUCLEAR WAR, but hey; you shouldn't abandon all your fronts if the news tells you to, and this is something I can hopefully influence.
Did you take similar stands against banner ads, TV commercials, movie trailers, magazine ads, billboards, radio ads, and everything else? Or do you only care once they start doing it in computer games? I'm not sure why one is more horrific than another, but then, I might just lack your special insights into the nature of evil.
I watched TV in my younger days. The TV itself had cost me money (well, back then it was my parents). Of course, this was because designing, engineering and manufacturing a TV isn't free. So obviously you pay for it. Some of the channels I watched were ad-free. These were the ones that the license we paid was financing. We paid for those channels. Nothing is free. Some of the channels I watched were indeed free. But nothing is free. Obviously, those channels had to get revenue from somewhere. So they had ads. Nothing is free. Maybe you don't pay in money, but instead you pay in wasted time and being advertised to.
Anyone who plays BF2142 continually pays for it by being advertised to. By playing the game and providing an audience for the advertisement, you are providing EA with a steady stream of revenue.
So why do you have to buy BF2142? Why can it not be downloaded for free from EA's very own homepage? Why do you have to pay full retail price for it and then have to endure advertisement anyway? In the name of profit at the expense of the consumer.
You have to buy it because EA can make a lot more money that way. You don't have to like it, and you certainly aren't forced to buy the game, but that's the choice they've made. It makes perfect business sense. I have to buy magazines and newspapers and I pay for cable TV and Internet, but I still get plenty of ads from all of those.
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
<!--quoteo(post=1570767:date=Oct 21 2006, 09:27 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Oct 21 2006, 09:27 PM) [snapback]1570767[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Did you take similar stands against banner ads, TV commercials, movie trailers, magazine ads, billboards, radio ads, and everything else? Or do you only care once they start doing it in computer games? I'm not sure why one is more horrific than another, but then, I might just lack your special insights into the nature of evil. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't happy about it, but I wasn't in a position to do anything about it, was I?
None are more horrific than the other. The general concept of advertising is not in itself necessarily evil ... BUT! it is undeniable that advertising works by using media peer pressure via broadcasting enough messages on enough billboards in order to manufacture want. If you put your message everywhere, nobody can escape from it. If you're constantly bombarded with the same message enough times, it's bound to knock you off balance and develop fake wants. Nobody really knows what they want anymore, which is unfortunate. All people know is that if you're not wearing Paris Hilton's perfume or whatever, you're a loser. Why? Because this is the bullish that's been spoon-fed to EVERYONE.
What made me really mad on the CAD forum was how Tim says "If advertising works on you, you're stupid." No, it just means you have a slightly lower breaking point than usual. Humans are just not designed to be able to resist what we're doing. My mind isn't bulletproof, and neither is anyone else's. A trip outside every now and then shows that advertising is getting better and better at telling everyone what they want.
As such, advertising is bad. I hope we can all agree on this so far.
Video games are something that has come out relatively unscathed. We can entertain ourselves and have fun together without really having to deal with advertising at the moment. I quote again the IGA website: <!--QuoteBegin-IGA+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IGA)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This planet is oversaturated with traditional advertising, so we went and found you entire new worlds <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Translation: Our world is ######, there's too many products being advertised outside that people are torn betwen two products (eg. Pepsi and Coca-Cola) so we're going to invade one of the last worlds free from our plague for profit.
Video games are our community's world. Should we just invite them in and say "if they give us trouble later we'll pwn them lol"? Or should we stop them at the gate and give them a loud "###### off"?
I basically see it as an invasion into our realm of being able to escape reality. Games in essence were basically designed for that; to allow us to travel to a different place and temporarily forget about our own life. With ingame ads, it keeps reminding us of what some of us try to escape every so often. Of course, not everyone plays games to escape, but that's how I feel about the whole issue.
(that and maybe it could be a gateway into more ads or w/e, but we shall see.)
Comments
EA can go to hell. First and last game I'll ever buy from them.
Game is great, except PunkBuster is acting wierd again. I join a game, play for a minute or two until i'm auto-kicked. Anybody know a way around this?
You just have to update Punkbuster I believe. Sonic, if you're not going to be helpful, you could at least be truthful. Do you really think EA has gone out of its way to make the game not work?
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I'd say they have. Maybe not the game specifically, but hey, they intentionally broke Windows, didn't they? There are ways around security flaws that don't involve <i>uninstalling a critical windows patch.</i>
Heh there's a critical patch to be uninstalled at somepoint?
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<a href="http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2006/10/still-more-ea-and-its-getting-worse.html" target="_blank">http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2006/10...ting-worse.html</a> yep.
I'd say they have. Maybe not the game specifically, but hey, they intentionally broke Windows, didn't they? There are ways around security flaws that don't involve <i>uninstalling a critical windows patch.</i>
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Hah. That's not EA in any way, shape, or form. That exact same security update broke Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Dungeon Siege II on my computer. It's Microsoft's fault, just like EA said. You people need to stop accusing these guys of lying at every turn. Sometimes, it's actually possible for a company you don't like to be right, and for you to be wrong.
Hah. That's not EA in any way, shape, or form. That exact same security update broke Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Dungeon Siege II on my computer. It's Microsoft's fault, just like EA said. You people need to stop accusing these guys of lying at every turn. Sometimes, it's actually possible for a company you don't like to be right, and for you to be wrong.
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Rofl, %100 correct.
People need to stop crucifying EA. You do know that all IGA does is collect your IP address, right?
Its not checking up on what your surfing or anything like that. Quit overeacting.
The internet will always provide that which is needed by the likes of us when we come across undesireable features in games. Some clever person somewhere will make a crack that undoes whatever EA did and do it undetectably. You can be sure of that.
EA might be big, but it can't beat the internet.
--Scythe--
Hah. That's not EA in any way, shape, or form. That exact same security update broke Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Dungeon Siege II on my computer. It's Microsoft's fault, just like EA said. You people need to stop accusing these guys of lying at every turn. Sometimes, it's actually possible for a company you don't like to be right, and for you to be wrong.
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I would have loved to see EA specify this fact. Too bad they haven't in the three seperate press releases I've heard. If that security patch broke more than their own game I can be okay with it.
And if you want my reasons to get mad at EA, lets try this: Non-Support of past-release games once they hit a less-than-50%-of-initial-sales point, buying development studios just so they can close them down, and generally restricting their own developer's creativity(a 'common rule' they have, according to a few friends of mine that work for them in various divisions, is 3 'true' retail games(aka usual sellers), then you can move on and make your own style of thing, but, oh wait- just remember that no matter what, the property is theirs. And yes, I realise this isn't always the case, but it is a majority of the time).
I'm not overreacting one bit, either. They may 'just' be doing that, but with a description that vague, it could be vastly more, to almost any extent they like. And really, who are any of us to say if they are or aren't? Considering their honesty level in the past(promising patches to fix UI issues in BF2, persistence of lag issues in the same game, repeated lies for how long online services for many of their games last, and general crappyness and deceitful policies in customer service), I don't think we have any reason to not at least assume a little more than they say.
And may I note, that you have full legal right to return the item at any time to a store, as the game doesn't feature an offline mode, and on top of that doesn't say a word about IGA or its software on the box- stuffing it into the "technical issue" realm.
But, I digress:
I bought it. I wanted to play with my roomie. I'm enjoying myself. I don't like EA's practices, but the game is fun.
translation; Will register your IP-adress and other anonymous informations ("ad-data").
The only thing i am a little concernd about is the "other anonymous informations" part.
but then again, do i care? no.
Do i play the game and throw out the paper? Yes.
I guess i will await the conspiracy unprepared.
This just screams "hey, not only we're ripping you off by selling a BF2 mod for more than the original, we're also getting money from publicists because we can! Don't like to download ads? Don't play the game."
In other words; its safe to buy it.
To the people defending the fatal number of flaws in EA games, how can you accuse US for crucifying EA when they have A ###### TRACK RECORD
F-A-C-E it people, EA is as much a developer house as it's a relentless cash machine who's only purpose is to test how <i>far</i> it can go.
But hey, if some people are ready to buy a new Sims game every other month, I really don't see why they'd stop. I just know that I for one won't get their games.
I'm confused, whats wrong with a company in a captalistic society looking for a way to make more money? Since its not spyware I'm not worried.
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Nothing wrong with it, just the way they go about it with their unethical business practices and the "if you dont like it, piss off" attitude.
With that said, I still might buy it. I kinda like the little tweaks they did to it, like spawning in special deplyoable stations or vehicles instead of magically appearing next to squad leaders. The problems from bf2 are still there however.
1. Explosives. Effin hate them. The engineers roocket launcher is not there for killing people. It's for vehicles. If it you copy a class from the last game at least make the gun a LITTLE different. I swear it's like they didn't even bother remodelling it. No nades in the demo luckily, but I can imagine it's gonna be just like BF2. Super spam, deathlotto see who gets lucky and doesn't die from a nade.
2. Idiots. The game (or games, since I might aswell be writing this rant about bf2) is so much fun when people know how to play, it should be illegal. Alas, most of the time however people just TK in the titan because they want the gunship, or generally ignore everyone else on the server.
3. EA. 'Nuff said.
2142 would have made a kickass expansion, instead of all that failure that is called special forces.
I'm confused, whats wrong with a company in a captalistic society looking for a way to make more money? Since its not spyware I'm not worried.
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It's wrong when they begin to sacrifice the base tennets of product quality. I also think everytime with the next EA release the consumers would finally be fed up, but it has yet to show.
I will bet everyone on earth an e-cookie that this same thing will happen again next time they raise the bar. A few of us will go "no, screw you EA; we're not going there" and the rest will go "What's the big deal? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> " and buy the game anyway.
I know it isn't that much of a deal when we could be on the brink of NUCLEAR WAR, but hey; you shouldn't abandon all your fronts if the news tells you to, and this is something I can hopefully influence.
Some of the channels I watched were ad-free. These were the ones that the license we paid was financing. We paid for those channels. Nothing is free.
Some of the channels I watched were indeed free. But nothing is free. Obviously, those channels had to get revenue from somewhere. So they had ads. Nothing is free. Maybe you don't pay in money, but instead you pay in wasted time and being advertised to.
Anyone who plays BF2142 continually pays for it by being advertised to. By playing the game and providing an audience for the advertisement, you are providing EA with a steady stream of revenue.
So why do you have to buy BF2142? Why can it not be downloaded for free from EA's very own homepage? Why do you have to pay full retail price for it and then have to endure advertisement anyway? In the name of profit at the expense of the consumer.
Did you take similar stands against banner ads, TV commercials, movie trailers, magazine ads, billboards, radio ads, and everything else? Or do you only care once they start doing it in computer games? I'm not sure why one is more horrific than another, but then, I might just lack your special insights into the nature of evil.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't happy about it, but I wasn't in a position to do anything about it, was I?
None are more horrific than the other. The general concept of advertising is not in itself necessarily evil ... BUT! it is undeniable that advertising works by using media peer pressure via broadcasting enough messages on enough billboards in order to manufacture want. If you put your message everywhere, nobody can escape from it. If you're constantly bombarded with the same message enough times, it's bound to knock you off balance and develop fake wants. Nobody really knows what they want anymore, which is unfortunate. All people know is that if you're not wearing Paris Hilton's perfume or whatever, you're a loser. Why? Because this is the bullish that's been spoon-fed to EVERYONE.
What made me really mad on the CAD forum was how Tim says "If advertising works on you, you're stupid." No, it just means you have a slightly lower breaking point than usual. Humans are just not designed to be able to resist what we're doing. My mind isn't bulletproof, and neither is anyone else's. A trip outside every now and then shows that advertising is getting better and better at telling everyone what they want.
As such, advertising is bad. I hope we can all agree on this so far.
Video games are something that has come out relatively unscathed. We can entertain ourselves and have fun together without really having to deal with advertising at the moment. I quote again the IGA website: <!--QuoteBegin-IGA+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IGA)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This planet is oversaturated with traditional advertising, so we went and found you entire new worlds <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Translation: Our world is ######, there's too many products being advertised outside that people are torn betwen two products (eg. Pepsi and Coca-Cola) so we're going to invade one of the last worlds free from our plague for profit.
Video games are our community's world. Should we just invite them in and say "if they give us trouble later we'll pwn them lol"? Or should we stop them at the gate and give them a loud "###### off"?
(that and maybe it could be a gateway into more ads or w/e, but we shall see.)
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />