Your Firearm And You

VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
edited November 2002 in Frontiersmen Strategy
<div class="IPBDescription">And how to use it effectively</div> Now many people who started NS when it first came out have been used to having big guns on tap and ready for use whenever you respawn, However! this doesn't happen now so I have decieded to make a short summery of your available firearms and how to use them EFFECTIVELY!

1.) The Knife

Sharp steel goodness, in one hand held utility! Now many people think the knife in NS is about as much use as lets say a tin opener, pointy stick or a similarly blunt kitchen impliment, This can stop, right now!

The knife is useful!

And heres why, it does damage, lots of it, nothing beats the knife as a building destroyer, a marine can make a mess of a alien resource tower in a few seconds, with no ammo lost meaning your commander doesn't have to drop any good idea isn't it! Of course a knife isn't going to help you against a Skulk, Lurk, or Fade, but you won't have to reload!

2.) The Pistol

A good backup weapon, fires powerful rounds quickly, not as useless as people think, just remember to fill it up when you visit the armoury

3.) The Welder

If you have this gun, you've sold your soul, keep it out and do what your meant to do fix stuff, whatever you are doing use it, fix buildings, marines, Heavy Armour you name it you can fix it not to mention you can alter the map with this baby!

4.) Mines

Place in good locations, sit back and watch stuff go bang!

5.) The Light Machine Gun

The most UNDERUSED gun ever ans IMO the best one, and its free!
First tactic, if you fire more than 5 rounds at a target, at once, you are a muppet, that is inaccurate and you'll end up reloading in no time, fire in bursts, the job gets done quicker. Against building this gun is good, against Skulks this gun is good, just give short bursts and reload when nothing is going on, nothing sucks more than running out of a clip, when a Skulk is charging you

6.) The Heavy Machine Gun

Pretty much the same as the above, use in bursts, and as this gun has a very long reload, reload when no enemys are near you.

7.) The Grenade Launcher

The most controversial weapon, alongside the bile bomb, NEVER use this gun against a Skulk or Lerk, they are too fast and will avoid them, use your pistol instead, This may not sound obvious, DON'T SPAM WITH GRENADES, it fires fast, yes, it reloads slow, yes and worst of all, it doesn't have a lot of ammo, place your shots rather than going Rambo and blasting everything is sight!

I'll edit this if I think of anything else!

Comments

  • TheScapegoatTheScapegoat Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7870Members
    [/QUOTE] 5.) The Light Machine Gun

    The most UNDERUSED gun ever ans IMO the best one, and its free![QUOTE]

    I don't know HOW many games ive had to say this:

    "LMG and PISTOL = Free. SO USE EM DAM IT!" It gets REALLY annoying when the same guy has asked you for a HMG and proceded to lose it 5 times in the last 3 minutes. Thats when i give up and look for the 'EJECT SELF THROUGH STATION ROOF' button on the command consol.

    again: L M G and P I S T O L = F R E E ! People. SO USE EM! You do not need a HMG and ARMOR to kill that one skulk that won't leave our frontdoor.
  • MindmeldmeMindmeldme The Evil One Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1637Members
    As a commander I have to moniter the whole map and all the marines and do what I can with the resources I have to make the game easier on them. Part of this is giving them weapons when they ask for them. Few things are more annoying then somone sitting around a spawn, not helping his team, endlessly asking for a HMG...when he has died with his last three in about 30 seconds. Now...i want to give you weapons, I really do..but everyone wants one and we don't have much in the way of resources. Now if your not profiecent with your main LMG why should I give you a big expensive gun that your going to get the same results with when the team needs that spent on motion sensing and armor upgrades? Now you want a weapon bad enough...follow your sqaud mates, work with your team, and then...MAYBE, I'll give you a reward.
  • KizKiz Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7236Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Venmoch+Nov 9 2002, 08:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Nov 9 2002, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2.) The Pistol

    A good backup weapon, fires powerful rounds quickly, not as useless as people think, just remember to fill it up when you visit the armoury

    3.) The Welder

    If you have this gun, you've sold your soul, keep it out and do what your meant to do fix stuff, whatever you are doing use it, fix buildings, marines, Heavy Armour you name it you can fix it not to mention you can alter the map with this baby!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Best use for the pistol is if you run out of ammo in your current LMG/HMG clip and there's still things that need killing around. Pistol-whip those SOB's, CS style. You may get an "omg" or "wtf", maybe even a "bbq" if the target is confused enough.

    Welder, yea. Stick around the base, or follow someone with HA, and weld everything in sight. Remember that having a welder makes you the commander's best friend. Only switch to your primary weapon if the big dude gives you a HMG, and even then you should only use it if there's a massive alien offensive.
    Is the only turret factory at the base damaged? Well, weld the fsck out of it! Is the Big Chair damaged? Weld it! Damaged sensor thingy? Weld! Damaged turrets? Weld! Vent with a little floaty icon? Weld! Damaged Onos rampaging through your base? WELD IT! With the welder, you are the insane engineer on your team, so show it! Weld EVERYTHING! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Lt_WarhoundLt_Warhound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7654Members
    Knife is useless against skulk/lerk/fade? I can't count the number of times I've knifed em down. First, umbra means your precious bullets are mostly wasted, wade in and knife em. Knife does 30 damage. _30_. Health on a skulk? 70, armor of 10 or 30 with carapace. Do the math. And you swing as fast as he bites, without having your knife block your view. Lerks run when you chase em swinging, they know they are fragile. And that bile bombing fade? Knife him. If he bombs you, he takes damage. Most fades firing acid or bile won't switch to claws, don't ask me why. And there is the humor factor: everyone laughs when you knife a fade down.

    Don't use a GL against a Skulk or Lerk? Here's a hint: aim. That's right, aim, fire the GL _at the skulk or lerk, and when the grenade hits em, they go boom. If you can't hit things with a GL, stick to the HMG.

    GL, welder, knife, that's what I normally cary once we get heavy armor. If you aren't good with the GL and knife, well, you spend a lot of time watching everyone else.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"LMG and PISTOL = Free. SO USE EM DAM IT!" It gets REALLY annoying when the same guy has asked you for a HMG and proceded to lose it 5 times in the last 3 minutes. Thats when i give up and look for the 'EJECT SELF THROUGH STATION ROOF' button on the command consol.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I usually just tell that person to stand in base, then dump a turret on top of them, then tell them to maintain base defense (since usually if they did die 3 times they went out on their own against lord knows how many skulks)

    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> = <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> + <!--emo&::sentry::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='turret.gif'><!--endemo--> = <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MeltedSnowmanMeltedSnowman Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7779Members
    I am what you would call a pistol sniper. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I wish I could carry a welder as my primary weapon and keep my pistol.

    I also wish I could carry more than three extra clips; that would help me quite a bit.

    Ah well, such is life. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Shifty_EyesShifty_Eyes Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1784Members
    This is what I tell everyone (to save the commanders breath):
    WANT A GUN!? Do some **obscenity** work!
    Secured that resource nozzle? Heres a gun.
    Going off alone, and you want health? TOO BAD!
  • UnCriticalUnCritical Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 73Members, Constellation
    Im pretty sure that burst fire isnt any better than full-auto in NS.
    Theres no recoil or movement modifiers, its just a random cone, like HLs MP5.
  • TacoSupremeTacoSupreme Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2562Members
    However with bursting your ammo lasts longer, and you can adjust your aim (muzzle flash sprite is annoying)

    You dont need to go full auto on a skulk, because either he dies in a few hits, or your missing, just a few bursts of 5-10 rounds and you can drop them easily.
  • SpectraSpectra Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8088Members
    You know, its strange, this whole post is about weapons and not one person has mentioned the shotgun. I love it. We get heavy armor, i go shotty/pistol(for the longer ranged stuff). Theres nothing better against a skulk or lerk or fade or hell even an onos at close range tan a full shotty blast. Its awesoe against building too. Its cheaper than the nade launcheror th hmg, and you can get it right from the start of the game. It has a cone fire, so its easier to hit fast aliens running around and itdoes awesome damage. Nuff said.
  • PodPod Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5745Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--UnCritical+Nov 10 2002, 03:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnCritical @ Nov 10 2002, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im pretty sure that burst fire isnt any better than full-auto in NS.
    Theres no recoil or movement modifiers, its just a random cone, like HLs MP5.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you either have some sort of "sprites not showing problem" or youve hax0rd the muzzle flash sprites
    after a second or two of firing i cant see the damn skulks :/
  • Arch_InfantryArch_Infantry Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8118Members
    One time when I was playing, I desided to use my welder on a enemy Defence Tower (Maybe I was Crazy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ). I found out that it Destroy Alien Buildings with EASE. So don't only use the welder to repair, Cause Dispair to alien building <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Welder=Building's New Owner
    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> + <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='siege.gif'><!--endemo--> + <!--emo&::sentry::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='turret.gif'><!--endemo--> =Save your $$$ for something else.



    Never under rate the power of the welder.
  • MercenaryForHireMercenaryForHire Join Date: 2002-10-03 Member: 1410Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Kiz+Nov 9 2002, 12:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kiz @ Nov 9 2002, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is the only turret factory at the base damaged? Well, weld the fsck out of it! Is the Big Chair damaged? Weld it! Damaged sensor thingy? Weld! Damaged turrets? Weld! Vent with a little floaty icon? Weld! Damaged Onos rampaging through your base? WELD IT! With the welder, you are the insane engineer on your team, so show it! Weld EVERYTHING! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lmfao ... I just about sprayed milk all over the monitor at your Welder-Evangelism rant there. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/1/icon6.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    It's all true though.

    - M4H
  • MindmeldmeMindmeldme The Evil One Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1637Members
    Once again...god if only. I do kinda wish there was more of a recoil to NS but...I know the devs did the cone set up for a reason so, I won't go into it. Right now a cone is fine for me...I just tend to fire at close range because of it when I get an HMG is all. I suppose i should try and have a bit more fun with the shotgun, i think I've used it about twice and I usually drop it for someone else because I don't have the accuracy for it. To expensive to waste the damn thing.
  • BogBog Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7004Members
    Yay for the Welder! To quote to NS main site...
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->“’Cuz the only thing nastier than a TSA marine, is a TSA engineer. It’s been years since they had a new toy to play with, and they have fertile and violent imaginations...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's true. The Welder offsets the Defense Chamber very freaking nicely, thank you. Nothing like it when all the Bugs forget that yes, Veronica, a Marine CAN Regenerate.

    Little Engineery Buddy with his blowtorch can swing the balance of a came. Moron thinking that an HMG is the only thing in life can drive it straight into the groud.
  • Ben128Ben128 Join Date: 2002-06-21 Member: 808Members, Constellation
    Indeed, the welder does an insane amout of damage, but is very short range. If you have to go melee, the welder is a beastly weapon of doom. It can not only bring the pain to kharaa, it kills their buildings VERY VERY effectively. Another , kinda weapon/strategy is your flashlight. Yes, it lights you up like the fourth of july, but it also reveals cloacked aliens your shine it over. With motion detectors it can really help find those sneaky Onos....
  • TheGunslingerTheGunslinger Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8126Members
    edited November 2002
    Reveals cloaked aliens? Cool.

    My Counter-Strike training has done me well. If I run out of my main clip, I switch to the pistol without thinking and finish the job. I have killed many Kharaa this way. CS has also taught me the art of knife-fighting. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I still think we need the preverbal elephant gun, though. Something that makes you go as slow as a marine in webbing, something with a four second fire rate, and that can deal about 400 damage, yet have an extremly limited range.

    Like this, for example:
    <a href='http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/meninblack/weapons/pulsar.html' target='_blank'>http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/meninbl...ons/pulsar.html</a>
  • MercenaryForHireMercenaryForHire Join Date: 2002-10-03 Member: 1410Members
    I think the gun you're hinting at rhymes with "Whale Fun" and has been discussed to death already ... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    CS tactics are fine and good - as long as your teamplay and communications transfer over too.

    Didn't know the flashlight revealed cloaked aliens. Damn. Better be more careful of the glowing guys now. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    - M4H
  • goAnimositygoAnimosity Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7689Members
    I thought it was pretty funny how the thread writer called the LMG the "least used weapon". Funny how, its used 80% of the time in the beginning - mid game. Heh.
  • watch_me_diewatch_me_die Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8107Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lt.Warhound+Nov 9 2002, 05:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Warhound @ Nov 9 2002, 05:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Knife is useless against skulk/lerk/fade? I can't count the number of times I've knifed em down. First, umbra means your precious bullets are mostly wasted, wade in and knife em. Knife does 30 damage. _30_. Health on a skulk? 70, armor of 10 or 30 with carapace. Do the math. And you swing as fast as he bites, without having your knife block your view. Lerks run when you chase em swinging, they know they are fragile. And that bile bombing fade? Knife him. If he bombs you, he takes damage. Most fades firing acid or bile won't switch to claws, don't ask me why. And there is the humor factor: everyone laughs when you knife a fade down.

    Don't use a GL against a Skulk or Lerk? Here's a hint: aim. That's right, aim, fire the GL _at the skulk or lerk, and when the grenade hits em, they go boom. If you can't hit things with a GL, stick to the HMG.

    GL, welder, knife, that's what I normally cary once we get heavy armor. If you aren't good with the GL and knife, well, you spend a lot of time watching everyone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    not only is knife good against skulks, lerks, and fades...

    as comm i've witnessed not 1, not 2, but 3 onos being taken down by knife in the space of 5 minutes... made for much laughing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TheGunslingerTheGunslinger Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8126Members
    Just found out on the help forum, activating the flashlight will show cloaked Kharaa only if you are Kharaa. It doesn't do anything for the Marines.

    That's what the guys with over 1000 posts say. I have little reason to doubt them. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TheGunslingerTheGunslinger Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8126Members
    *just gets it*
    Ha, Whale Fun.

    No, no. Just like a high-powered shot gun, but with serious disadvantages, short effective range, high damage, low fire rate, high cost, slow movement, perhaps maximum turn velocity?

    Anyway, this is not the ideas forum.
  • MercenaryForHireMercenaryForHire Join Date: 2002-10-03 Member: 1410Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--TheGunslinger+Nov 13 2002, 08:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheGunslinger @ Nov 13 2002, 08:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->*just gets it*
    Ha, Whale Fun.

    No, no. Just like a high-powered shot gun, but with serious disadvantages, short effective range, high damage, low fire rate, high cost, slow movement, perhaps maximum turn velocity?

    Anyway, this is not the ideas forum.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    True dat.

    A couple nice "WTH?" experiences tonight.

    First, I LMGed a Fade straight in the **obscenity**.
    Full clip of LMG from point-blank == death to anything < Onos
    Greatly angered him. Enough that he just plain quit. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Same game. I was the Insane Engineer. While fixing up an armoury, what comes into the base? Onos.
    Up I go on top of the armoury and whip out the LMG. Empty as much as possible into the thing, then out comes the trusty welder. Another Onos hot on the tail of the first.

    Weld weld weld. "Onos killed self with welder." Weld weld weld some more on the other Onos while it's busy Goring a turret. "Onos killed self with welder." Drop dead from laughter. Then drop dead ingame from third Hungry Hungry Onos.

    - M4H wants a ::welder:: icon <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CaliburCalibur Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8296Members
    watch.me.die ---> I think that might have been me...I play as Unholy Cow. Not only that but I just got out of a game 5 minutes before coming here and had knifed 3 Onos there as well. Strafing and using the knife can deal massive damage to just about any enemy.

    The knive vs. structure is also very powerfull.

    I generally use the LMG/Pistol/Knife setup you start with. The LMG has excellent accuracy and good ol' CS tought me to use the pistol after a clip is empty. It really just comes down to knowing your weapons and using what works well for you.

    I don't use the HMG much because I <i>hate</i> the slow speed. Shotgun is alright even though I've only used it two or three times max. Mines are great late in the game when Onos come a-knocking at your base's door. (Mines + Knife = Dead Onos)
  • AcidhamsterAcidhamster Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3171Members
    Acually mines to jack-**obscenity** damage to onos. Ever been an onos and seen 5 mines lined up before a door way? *laugh*

    You walk into them w/o fear, and sure they did a little damage but so does a marine w/ a lmg. Your not scared of either and for good reason.
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