I doubt most people here buy EA's repetitive sports titles so that's kind of a bad example :p
As for it being -not bond-, it actually is. The -bond- you're used to is infact nothing like the bond in the books he was spawned from while the grittier Casino Royale goes back to it's roots.
It's kinda like batman really. You can love the camp 80s series if you want but his origins are dark and gritty.
There's almost a kind of irony to see someone comment that it's not bond when people who read the books have been saying that about the films for aaaages :3
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<!--quoteo(post=1584928:date=Dec 6 2006, 11:42 AM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Dec 6 2006, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1584928[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There's almost a kind of irony to see someone comment that it's not bond when people who read the books have been saying that about the films for aaaages :3 <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's EXACTLY what i was thinking.. you said it first though. +1
was it just me or did they not give really any details about the main villian guy. i mean he looked so bad*** with the scarred eye and the tears of blood but they never really gave anything about his background or why he was coughing constantly
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yeah that was sad. i think the poker scenes were amazing and very well written but at the same time, the two themes of -the ONE hold-em game to RULE THEM ALL -ZOMG TRUE ROMANCE!
completely dominated the movie, and that nearly ruined it for me. i enjoyed the majority of the film, the concept, and Craig's little quirks, but i think the main themes could have been delivered a bit quicker, to make room for more entertaining substance.
there could have been a little more cold, hard killing, a little more gadget worship (seemed like the whole movie was a cell-phone plug!), and a little more bond interaction with the henchmen. it's all the more pleasing to see the bad guys go down one at a time if you get to meet them first, isn't it? the sex lived up to expectations. eva green is truly captivating (especially when nude. see <i>The Dreamers</i>).
all in all, a great effort, and the new potential and opportunities definitely show. hopefully they get it right next time around.
Daniel Craig has no charisma as James Bond, but then ... perhaps this was something 007 developed <b>after</b> getting hurt by his one true love. The poker scene was nice, but Iliked the sinking house better.
Disappointed more gadgets didn't appear on the Aston Martin, but I guess these came later too. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
I like that the reasons you give for not liking the movie, Khaim, are exactly the reasons I -do- like the movie <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> If I wanted more of the same I'd watch Goldeneye and turn my television upside down.
In my eyes, your argument for enjoying that formula and 'same ol same ol' style cinema, whilst then having a go at EA and their rehashed sports games, is irony at its most ironic. But it's all a matter of perspective...I'm sorry it wasn't the Bond you were hoping for, but really, you have enough movies to choose from where it is the Bond you like. I have seen them all, and am glad that its finally moved on, so it is now MY time to enjoy Bond again <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Sorry folks, after seeing it again this movie is simply not Bond-worthy. It's a disgrace to Ian Fleming <b>AND</b> Sean Connery. The on-location cinematography was excellent, but frankly I kept expecting Vin Diesel to pop in ... it was<b> HIS</b> kind of movie.
<!--quoteo(post=1585484:date=Dec 7 2006, 11:58 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Dec 7 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1585484[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Daniel Craig has no charisma as James Bond, but then ... perhaps this was something 007 developed <b>after</b> getting hurt by his one true love. The poker scene was nice, but Iliked the sinking house better.
Disappointed more gadgets didn't appear on the Aston Martin, but I guess these came later too. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I felt that this movie was much truer to Ian Fleming's real Bond. Plus I lol at every single gadget I see in those stupid movies.
Now a defibrillator. That's stretching it even. But whatever. Honestly how many of you carry a defibrillator in your car. Even when they were trendy (those kind that you could buy then someone figured out that making a "At home defibrillator" is technically against the law. Yeah it did plug a cellphone alot, but then again, it's not like he was dancing with a ipod between scenes or something.
I'm with Merkaba. All of the recent bonds involve some stupid outrageous character that has a ###### satellite that will destroy the world. Oh no...someone shoot a rocket at it this time! It's like the writers for these movies are ###### 5. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
1. ctrl+c
2. ctrl+v
3. ? ? ?
4. Profit!
In other news, Craig wants to do the first ###### scene with Bond.
<!--quoteo(post=1585693:date=Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM:name=Revlic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Revlic @ Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM) [snapback]1585693[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> In other news, Craig wants to do the first ###### scene with Bond.
heyyy... I like Vin Diesel. y'know... as long as we pretend xXx doesn't exist. That was a horror movie :s I still can't believe half the crud that fell from his mouth in that film, including the name drop "playstation".
B) Got product placement? Holy hell. Sony, sony, sony every-bloody-where. I was half-expecting to see a PS3 built into the dash of his car. That and his not-very-subtle plug of his omega watch.
C) Yes, I saw Richard Branson too.
D) When Mr. Bungeye got capped a kid next to us in the cinema said "Boom! Headshot!". I doubled up in silent laughter.
E) Timeline. What the hell? After 11/9 but before 007 status? I'm all for overlooking little factual inaccuracies to allow smooth story flow, but that just stuck in my mind.
F) How many one-eyed baddie bankers are there in the world?
G) Not enough use of the iconic Bond theme music.
H) Great ending. "Bond... James Bond." Dah-dah-dahh, dah-dah-dahh, dat-dadda-dahh-dahh, dumm dadda dumm dumm etc.
<!--quoteo(post=1585743:date=Dec 8 2006, 03:24 PM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Dec 8 2006, 03:24 PM) [snapback]1585743[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> F) How many one-eyed baddie bankers are there in the world? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't think he was just one eyed, just he has a real problem with his eye bleeding.
<!--quoteo(post=1584273:date=Dec 5 2006, 01:47 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Dec 5 2006, 01:47 AM) [snapback]1584273[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> UH avoided most cliches? I believe the only cliche it didn't have was probably the gadgets. Unless of course you count his mini-difibulator or his cellphone tracking computer program as a gadget, but I don't. So it hit 3/4 cliches. He had the married french woman and Vesper, won a posh car and owned a fast paced car (which he destroyed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />) and oh yeah, a couple of baddies on the way as per usual! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well at least they didn't go over the top with the gadgets. Seriously... after Die Another Day, I kinda expected some kind of wicked rocket launcher watch.
<!--quoteo(post=1585693:date=Dec 8 2006, 01:17 PM:name=Revlic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Revlic @ Dec 8 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]1585693[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Personally, I felt that this movie was much truer to Ian Fleming's real Bond. Plus I lol at every single gadget I see in those stupid movies.
Now a defibrillator. That's stretching it even. But whatever. Honestly how many of you carry a defibrillator in your car. Even when they were trendy (those kind that you could buy then someone figured out that making a "At home defibrillator" is technically against the law. Yeah it did plug a cellphone alot, but then again, it's not like he was dancing with a ipod between scenes or something.
I'm with Merkaba. All of the recent bonds involve some stupid outrageous character that has a ###### satellite that will destroy the world. Oh no...someone shoot a rocket at it this time! It's like the writers for these movies are ###### 5. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
1. ctrl+c
2. ctrl+v
3. ? ? ?
4. Profit!
In other news, Craig wants to do the first ###### scene with Bond.
Discuss. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's a special agent... he's allowed to have a defibrillator in case of an emergency.
<!--quoteo(post=1585696:date=Dec 8 2006, 07:23 AM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Dec 8 2006, 07:23 AM) [snapback]1585696[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> It's Sean Connery or nothing.
Hell, even modern-day Sean Connery. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> QFT!
<!--quoteo(post=1585743:date=Dec 8 2006, 10:24 AM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Dec 8 2006, 10:24 AM) [snapback]1585743[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> My thoughts:
A) New bond = pro. He can do the job.
B) Got product placement? Holy hell. Sony, sony, sony every-bloody-where. I was half-expecting to see a PS3 built into the dash of his car. That and his not-very-subtle plug of his omega watch.
C) Yes, I saw Richard Branson too.
D) When Mr. Bungeye got capped a kid next to us in the cinema said "Boom! Headshot!". I doubled up in silent laughter.
E) Timeline. What the hell? After 11/9 but before 007 status? I'm all for overlooking little factual inaccuracies to allow smooth story flow, but that just stuck in my mind.
F) How many one-eyed baddie bankers are there in the world?
G) Not enough use of the iconic Bond theme music.
H) Great ending. "Bond... James Bond." Dah-dah-dahh, dah-dah-dahh, dat-dadda-dahh-dahh, dumm dadda dumm dumm etc.
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This latest movie did not start with or use the classic Bond music because <i>Casion Royale</i> is a reboot of the series that depicts Bond's first mission as a 00 agent. This would explain:<ol type='1'><li>why he fell in love (for the first and only time)</li><li>why there was much less womanizing than normal</li><li>why the Ason Martin was virtually gadget-less</li></ol>
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As for it being -not bond-, it actually is. The -bond- you're used to is infact nothing like the bond in the books he was spawned from while the grittier Casino Royale goes back to it's roots.
It's kinda like batman really. You can love the camp 80s series if you want but his origins are dark and gritty.
There's almost a kind of irony to see someone comment that it's not bond when people who read the books have been saying that about the films for aaaages :3
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that's EXACTLY what i was thinking.. you said it first though. +1
yeah that was sad. i think the poker scenes were amazing and very well written but at the same time, the two themes of
-the ONE hold-em game to RULE THEM ALL
-ZOMG TRUE ROMANCE!
completely dominated the movie, and that nearly ruined it for me. i enjoyed the majority of the film, the concept, and Craig's little quirks, but i think the main themes could have been delivered a bit quicker, to make room for more entertaining substance.
there could have been a little more cold, hard killing, a little more gadget worship (seemed like the whole movie was a cell-phone plug!), and a little more bond interaction with the henchmen. it's all the more pleasing to see the bad guys go down one at a time if you get to meet them first, isn't it? the sex lived up to expectations. eva green is truly captivating (especially when nude. see <i>The Dreamers</i>).
all in all, a great effort, and the new potential and opportunities definitely show. hopefully they get it right next time around.
Disappointed more gadgets didn't appear on the Aston Martin, but I guess these came later too. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
In my eyes, your argument for enjoying that formula and 'same ol same ol' style cinema, whilst then having a go at EA and their rehashed sports games, is irony at its most ironic. But it's all a matter of perspective...I'm sorry it wasn't the Bond you were hoping for, but really, you have enough movies to choose from where it is the Bond you like. I have seen them all, and am glad that its finally moved on, so it is now MY time to enjoy Bond again <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Daniel Craig has no charisma as James Bond, but then ... perhaps this was something 007 developed <b>after</b> getting hurt by his one true love. The poker scene was nice, but Iliked the sinking house better.
Disappointed more gadgets didn't appear on the Aston Martin, but I guess these came later too. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I felt that this movie was much truer to Ian Fleming's real Bond. Plus I lol at every single gadget I see in those stupid movies.
Now a defibrillator. That's stretching it even. But whatever. Honestly how many of you carry a defibrillator in your car. Even when they were trendy (those kind that you could buy then someone figured out that making a "At home defibrillator" is technically against the law. Yeah it did plug a cellphone alot, but then again, it's not like he was dancing with a ipod between scenes or something.
I'm with Merkaba. All of the recent bonds involve some stupid outrageous character that has a ###### satellite that will destroy the world. Oh no...someone shoot a rocket at it this time! It's like the writers for these movies are ###### 5. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
1. ctrl+c
2. ctrl+v
3. ? ? ?
4. Profit!
In other news, Craig wants to do the first ###### scene with Bond.
Discuss.
In other news, Craig wants to do the first ###### scene with Bond.
Discuss.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's Sean Connery or nothing.
Hell, even modern-day Sean Connery.
I still can't believe half the crud that fell from his mouth in that film, including the name drop "playstation".
A) New bond = pro. He can do the job.
B) Got product placement? Holy hell. Sony, sony, sony every-bloody-where. I was half-expecting to see a PS3 built into the dash of his car. That and his not-very-subtle plug of his omega watch.
C) Yes, I saw Richard Branson too.
D) When Mr. Bungeye got capped a kid next to us in the cinema said "Boom! Headshot!". I doubled up in silent laughter.
E) Timeline. What the hell? After 11/9 but before 007 status? I'm all for overlooking little factual inaccuracies to allow smooth story flow, but that just stuck in my mind.
F) How many one-eyed baddie bankers are there in the world?
G) Not enough use of the iconic Bond theme music.
H) Great ending. "Bond... James Bond." Dah-dah-dahh, dah-dah-dahh, dat-dadda-dahh-dahh, dumm dadda dumm dumm etc.
--Scythe--
F) How many one-eyed baddie bankers are there in the world?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't think he was just one eyed, just he has a real problem with his eye bleeding.
--Scythe--
UH avoided most cliches? I believe the only cliche it didn't have was probably the gadgets. Unless of course you count his mini-difibulator or his cellphone tracking computer program as a gadget, but I don't. So it hit 3/4 cliches. He had the married french woman and Vesper, won a posh car and owned a fast paced car (which he destroyed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />) and oh yeah, a couple of baddies on the way as per usual!
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well at least they didn't go over the top with the gadgets. Seriously... after Die Another Day, I kinda expected some kind of wicked rocket launcher watch.
<!--quoteo(post=1585693:date=Dec 8 2006, 01:17 PM:name=Revlic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Revlic @ Dec 8 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]1585693[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Personally, I felt that this movie was much truer to Ian Fleming's real Bond. Plus I lol at every single gadget I see in those stupid movies.
Now a defibrillator. That's stretching it even. But whatever. Honestly how many of you carry a defibrillator in your car. Even when they were trendy (those kind that you could buy then someone figured out that making a "At home defibrillator" is technically against the law. Yeah it did plug a cellphone alot, but then again, it's not like he was dancing with a ipod between scenes or something.
I'm with Merkaba. All of the recent bonds involve some stupid outrageous character that has a ###### satellite that will destroy the world. Oh no...someone shoot a rocket at it this time! It's like the writers for these movies are ###### 5. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
1. ctrl+c
2. ctrl+v
3. ? ? ?
4. Profit!
In other news, Craig wants to do the first ###### scene with Bond.
Discuss.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's a special agent... he's allowed to have a defibrillator in case of an emergency.
It's Sean Connery or nothing.
Hell, even modern-day Sean Connery.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
QFT!
<!--quoteo(post=1585743:date=Dec 8 2006, 10:24 AM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Dec 8 2006, 10:24 AM) [snapback]1585743[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
My thoughts:
A) New bond = pro. He can do the job.
B) Got product placement? Holy hell. Sony, sony, sony every-bloody-where. I was half-expecting to see a PS3 built into the dash of his car. That and his not-very-subtle plug of his omega watch.
C) Yes, I saw Richard Branson too.
D) When Mr. Bungeye got capped a kid next to us in the cinema said "Boom! Headshot!". I doubled up in silent laughter.
E) Timeline. What the hell? After 11/9 but before 007 status? I'm all for overlooking little factual inaccuracies to allow smooth story flow, but that just stuck in my mind.
F) How many one-eyed baddie bankers are there in the world?
G) Not enough use of the iconic Bond theme music.
H) Great ending. "Bond... James Bond." Dah-dah-dahh, dah-dah-dahh, dat-dadda-dahh-dahh, dumm dadda dumm dumm etc.
--Scythe--
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This latest movie did not start with or use the classic Bond music because <i>Casion Royale</i> is a reboot of the series that depicts Bond's first mission as a 00 agent. This would explain:<ol type='1'><li>why he fell in love (for the first and only time)</li><li>why there was much less womanizing than normal</li><li>why the Ason Martin was virtually gadget-less</li></ol>