<!--QuoteBegin--GoleX+Jan 15 2003, 01:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoleX @ Jan 15 2003, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a 1.03 change, that nerfed team changing to stop cheating. If you get the latest plugin above (the bh one), it has a way around this to force people to teams.
I use it mostly for organizing scrims etc. and it works fine when mp_tournament is 1.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Howdy Golex,
I refused to go to 1.03 because of the team restrictions. I am running a Linux server and now that 1.04 is out I HAVE to upgrade. The improvements in 1.04 are just too tempting.
While running 1.02 I was using your older script. Now that I am in 1.04 I have compiled the latest version of the sma (posted in this thread version 2.1.0) and installed it on my server.
I do not want to run with mp_tournament set to 1.
Whenever I attempt to move someone between teams instead of them showing up on the new team they end up in the ready room. They are then still restricted to the team they were previously playing on.
Suggestions?
<SHAKING HEAD SADLY> I am somewhat dissapointed how this whole team change issue was handled on both sides of the fence. The server and player community begged for something to be done. Flayra made sound changes that were too restrictive. A few folks in the server community went way over board flaming the changes off the bat. It seems to me, as a result of the flaming, Flayra dug his heels in and still refuses to make any changes (such as server side vars) so that the server admins have more control over how teams are balanced. </SHAKING HEAD SADLY>
So you understand why its broken now bigtoy? 1.03 and onwards restricted team changing to avoid abuse (people changing teams to see strats, or sabotage etc.). I was hoping for inclusion of a cvar to turn it off, but no luck yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--GoleX+Jan 26 2003, 10:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoleX @ Jan 26 2003, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So you understand why its broken now bigtoy? 1.03 and onwards restricted team changing to avoid abuse (people changing teams to see strats, or sabotage etc.). I was hoping for inclusion of a cvar to turn it off, but no luck yet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My misunderstanding. I thought you had figured out a way to "bypass" the issue. Something like issuing a re-connect.
I totally understand the reasons WHY the restrictions are in place.
I also agree that I am waiting for a CVAR so that if I want to I can make the server a bit more casual.
<!--QuoteBegin--bigtoy_j+Jan 27 2003, 01:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bigtoy_j @ Jan 27 2003, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--GoleX+Jan 26 2003, 10:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoleX @ Jan 26 2003, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So you understand why its broken now bigtoy? 1.03 and onwards restricted team changing to avoid abuse (people changing teams to see strats, or sabotage etc.). I was hoping for inclusion of a cvar to turn it off, but no luck yet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My misunderstanding. I thought you had figured out a way to "bypass" the issue. Something like issuing a re-connect.
I totally understand the reasons WHY the restrictions are in place.
I also agree that I am waiting for a CVAR so that if I want to I can make the server a bit more casual.
Oh well...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yes, I coded a nasty hack workaround that forces the player to reconnect. Its in the latest version of my plugin on page 4: plugin_nsteams_bh.sma
The .sma has info on how to turn this workaround on and off.
../include/admin.inc(124) Error [21]: symbol already defined: "plugin_message"
1 Error.
you also might want to default the access to level 128 so it is availible along with admin_kick admin_ban ect.. this is easy for somebody to do on their own but... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just go in and change the value in the sma yourself, and compile it...
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> would this work?
never mind it wont work.. i tried it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Finally finished reading this topic....it's quite long @ 5 pages...
Well, I was wondering about an earlier post about warning the player to be switched. I see that it determines the player after 30 sec, but I'm wondering if you should after those 30 sec: pick the player, warn they will be switched, wait 5 seconds (or sometime...), then switch them.
The above just goes with the courtesy concept. You might have already done this, but if you haven't...
I don't have a server running, but I'm just interested in seeing the change so when I am playing on a server that *does* have this plugin, I will be politely warned before being *violated* <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->.
Anyways, just thought I'd add my 2 cents as well...
Sounds like a great piece of work! keep it up...
- Matt <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
I figured that initial warning that starts off the 30 second countdown was enough, but that wouldn't be too hard to code... but might make it a bit clunky having to use so many timers.
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I use it mostly for organizing scrims etc. and it works fine when mp_tournament is 1.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Howdy Golex,
I refused to go to 1.03 because of the team restrictions. I am running a Linux server and now that 1.04 is out I HAVE to upgrade. The improvements in 1.04 are just too tempting.
While running 1.02 I was using your older script. Now that I am in 1.04 I have compiled the latest version of the sma (posted in this thread version 2.1.0) and installed it on my server.
I do not want to run with mp_tournament set to 1.
Whenever I attempt to move someone between teams instead of them showing up on the new team they end up in the ready room. They are then still restricted to the team they were previously playing on.
Suggestions?
<SHAKING HEAD SADLY>
I am somewhat dissapointed how this whole team change issue was handled on both sides of the fence. The server and player community begged for something to be done. Flayra made sound changes that were too restrictive. A few folks in the server community went way over board flaming the changes off the bat. It seems to me, as a result of the flaming, Flayra dug his heels in and still refuses to make any changes (such as server side vars) so that the server admins have more control over how teams are balanced.
</SHAKING HEAD SADLY>
My misunderstanding. I thought you had figured out a way to "bypass" the issue. Something like issuing a re-connect.
I totally understand the reasons WHY the restrictions are in place.
I also agree that I am waiting for a CVAR so that if I want to I can make the server a bit more casual.
Oh well...
My misunderstanding. I thought you had figured out a way to "bypass" the issue. Something like issuing a re-connect.
I totally understand the reasons WHY the restrictions are in place.
I also agree that I am waiting for a CVAR so that if I want to I can make the server a bit more casual.
Oh well...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yes, I coded a nasty hack workaround that forces the player to reconnect. Its in the latest version of my plugin on page 4: plugin_nsteams_bh.sma
The .sma has info on how to turn this workaround on and off.
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../include/admin.inc(124) Error [21]: symbol already defined: "plugin_message"
1 Error.
you also might want to default the access to level 128 so it is availible along with admin_kick admin_ban ect.. this is easy for somebody to do on their own but... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just go in and change the value in the sma yourself, and compile it...
mp_tournament 1
readyroom; jointeam#
mp_tournament 0
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> would this work?
never mind it wont work.. i tried it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, I was wondering about an earlier post about warning the player to be switched.
I see that it determines the player after 30 sec, but I'm wondering if you should after those
30 sec: pick the player, warn they will be switched, wait 5 seconds (or sometime...), then switch them.
The above just goes with the courtesy concept. You might have already done this, but if you haven't...
I don't have a server running, but I'm just interested in seeing the change so when I am playing
on a server that *does* have this plugin, I will be politely warned before being *violated* <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->.
Anyways, just thought I'd add my 2 cents as well...
Sounds like a great piece of work! keep it up...
- Matt <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->