Hammer And Sickle
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<div class="IPBDescription">Racist?</div> Whats up with the pro Commie crap on this board? You have little Hamr/sickle red
marine reskins but if i dare make a nazi skin i'm an evil racist biggot? (No, i'm not
a nazi. I'm using them because there the perfect example of how powerfull a
symbol can be.)
Hitler killed millions, So did stalin. Thease guys are butchers, You think that the
hammer and sickle is ok because its on the RA2 game? Why in the german ww2
games is the swastica mostly removed? Why can the Russian Symbol be allowed
but the German one cannot? Its the "In your face Action" that works on you
without you knowing it. The more YOU'RE subjected to something the less serous
you take it. So most of you will view my post as lunicy over a symbol. But it would
be so much more different if i was Toating MASSIVE big black and white swasticas
all over this forum.....i dont get it, explain it to me please.
i recieved the following comments-
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Wow. Chill.
Communism did many great things and also many bad things. But so do guns, so I guess guns should be made illegal in NS " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Other then get a bunch of people purged, and countless others also killed by
human wave assults i dont really recoginize anything.
The V2? Hitlers creation. they just tinkered with it.
The Mp44/Ak debate? I dont think so.
Improved Torture devices? Yea i'll give them that.
Nukes? Hitler would of had them anyway, Or The US.
T34 vs Tiger - Tiger
T34 vs King Tiger - King Tiger
(Distance)
The best tank of ww2 would eather be:
The sherman with the british gun that could take out a
Tiger Witch Us, the Americans Never took up because it was
British Tech. The Panther, or The Tiger.
I'm very pro gun. Defend your local N.r.a. With the manditory Registration now
its a few steps closer to them being taken away.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->dude u need to take a time out the skin in paticular has nothing to do with Racism
its just Red
in another thread some1 wanted a skin with a comunist badge ?
a dead and buried thread i might add and i believe this was alread disussed
and has nothing to do with Nazis or any h8 crime as such
wot u think Russians r bad because they where communist etc
small point is theres no need to hyjack a thread with something that has already be discussed.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
O please, Like the russians didnt tout themselves Supiror when they were at there
hight? Yea right. Thats Racisim. Killing 40k german Heer Pow's. (Not Nazis)
Justification for shooting 200 german Pow's because 2 Russian Officers were killed
by resistance fighters in 1945/46? The largest Number of Retrobution shots, 200
friggin people. Yea, germans did worse, americans Retrobuted shots (wow a
shock!) but we're focusing on Russians. 200 people. i wonder how many had
familys, children, loved ones.
I had not seen the prevous thread, had i- i would of objected to that too. So admin
your statement makes them untouchable? blah, not while i cruize this forum.
Points?
- Its a hate symbol. Walk around in public with it on you, Watch the reactions.
- Advocates German Woman rape, same for russian women rape with the swazi.
- Death to your enemys, No mercy, bullet to the head after info extracted.
Look at it for what it is. See the hypocrisy with that and then if someone puts up a
swastica.
I'm white, Christian, and pro gun. All 3 things endangered. (By 2050 white people
will be in the minority In america, i wonder what america will look like 200 years.
Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate.) i admit to my rushed spelling mistakes in
advance. So if your going to throw up a bunch of "god your spelling sucks so much"
ect ect. choke on them yourself, keep on topic please- i do my best to make sure
its readable in the time i have on here.
marine reskins but if i dare make a nazi skin i'm an evil racist biggot? (No, i'm not
a nazi. I'm using them because there the perfect example of how powerfull a
symbol can be.)
Hitler killed millions, So did stalin. Thease guys are butchers, You think that the
hammer and sickle is ok because its on the RA2 game? Why in the german ww2
games is the swastica mostly removed? Why can the Russian Symbol be allowed
but the German one cannot? Its the "In your face Action" that works on you
without you knowing it. The more YOU'RE subjected to something the less serous
you take it. So most of you will view my post as lunicy over a symbol. But it would
be so much more different if i was Toating MASSIVE big black and white swasticas
all over this forum.....i dont get it, explain it to me please.
i recieved the following comments-
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Wow. Chill.
Communism did many great things and also many bad things. But so do guns, so I guess guns should be made illegal in NS " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Other then get a bunch of people purged, and countless others also killed by
human wave assults i dont really recoginize anything.
The V2? Hitlers creation. they just tinkered with it.
The Mp44/Ak debate? I dont think so.
Improved Torture devices? Yea i'll give them that.
Nukes? Hitler would of had them anyway, Or The US.
T34 vs Tiger - Tiger
T34 vs King Tiger - King Tiger
(Distance)
The best tank of ww2 would eather be:
The sherman with the british gun that could take out a
Tiger Witch Us, the Americans Never took up because it was
British Tech. The Panther, or The Tiger.
I'm very pro gun. Defend your local N.r.a. With the manditory Registration now
its a few steps closer to them being taken away.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->dude u need to take a time out the skin in paticular has nothing to do with Racism
its just Red
in another thread some1 wanted a skin with a comunist badge ?
a dead and buried thread i might add and i believe this was alread disussed
and has nothing to do with Nazis or any h8 crime as such
wot u think Russians r bad because they where communist etc
small point is theres no need to hyjack a thread with something that has already be discussed.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
O please, Like the russians didnt tout themselves Supiror when they were at there
hight? Yea right. Thats Racisim. Killing 40k german Heer Pow's. (Not Nazis)
Justification for shooting 200 german Pow's because 2 Russian Officers were killed
by resistance fighters in 1945/46? The largest Number of Retrobution shots, 200
friggin people. Yea, germans did worse, americans Retrobuted shots (wow a
shock!) but we're focusing on Russians. 200 people. i wonder how many had
familys, children, loved ones.
I had not seen the prevous thread, had i- i would of objected to that too. So admin
your statement makes them untouchable? blah, not while i cruize this forum.
Points?
- Its a hate symbol. Walk around in public with it on you, Watch the reactions.
- Advocates German Woman rape, same for russian women rape with the swazi.
- Death to your enemys, No mercy, bullet to the head after info extracted.
Look at it for what it is. See the hypocrisy with that and then if someone puts up a
swastica.
I'm white, Christian, and pro gun. All 3 things endangered. (By 2050 white people
will be in the minority In america, i wonder what america will look like 200 years.
Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate.) i admit to my rushed spelling mistakes in
advance. So if your going to throw up a bunch of "god your spelling sucks so much"
ect ect. choke on them yourself, keep on topic please- i do my best to make sure
its readable in the time i have on here.
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
The SU's official religion was atheism, and anyone who believed in God was an enemy of the state.
Jews who wanted to leave the SU for Israel were harassed by the government.
If you want more information, use Google or try this link:
<a href='http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/guide-cond.html' target='_blank'>Jews in the Soviet Union</a>
Whereas putting up a hammer and sickle says "I support socialism and the plight of the working class", putting up a swastika says "I support eugenics, the mass slaughter of racial groups and ethnic purity".
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Its a hate symbol. Walk around in public with it on you, Watch the reactions.
- Advocates German Woman rape, same for russian women rape with the swazi.
- Death to your enemys, No mercy, bullet to the head after info extracted.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing is, socialism embraces none of those things, and the ideals behind the hammer and sickle do not endorse them. A socialist wearing the hammer and sickle today does not believe that the horrors of Stalin's reign, or indeed the entire Soviet Union was an any way an actual communist or socialist society.
Also, if you want to talk about one subject, please don't bring up other discussion topics in the same thread. If you want to talk about gun control or the plight of pro-gun white Christians in the United States of today then please start another thread. (Actually gun-control threads might be banned, I can't remember).
Whereas putting up a hammer and sickle says "I support socialism and the plight of the working class", putting up a swastika says "I support eugenics, the mass slaughter of racial groups and ethnic purity". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"it symbolises the strugle of the working man and the communist ideology."
When watching a documentry, reading books, whatever material, do the russians
in those pictures or storys ever appear happy? They do not. Stalin Never let the
process of Socialisim run its course, he Turned it into a dictatorship, He ruled by
fear and mass killings. All the pictures of the troops smiling and happy there doing
something for the motherland? How many do you think would be killed if they let
out there true negative feelings? Come on.
and i quote- "equality and society run by the workers is the main idea and the benefit behind socialism"
That never took place, and i'm beyond positive you can agree. Stright Dictatorship
and Stalin USED that symbol just like hitler. To instill fear in oposition, and the use
of propaghanda with That symbol on it. When casual people look back in time they
see "Hammer and Sickle = Stalin" and it does. When the russian men and women
fought and died in stalins human wave assults what was the banner on there flag
that they died carring>? who did they praise or face death to after a battle they
won? Who controls your VERY LIFE? Stalin...and what is stalins symbol? Whats
painted on your tank, on your Katusha(sp) rocket launcher Aka Stalins Orgin?
Why, the hammer and sickle! So no, I dont agree with you, I think that when
people see the hammer and sickle it repersents Stalin and dictatorship. And i bet
alot of people would agree with me on this forum.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The swastika though represents just Hitler and fascism, both of which are abhorrent in modern society.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do not care about hitler. I know i dished him out but i used him as an example,
i should of been more clear.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The thing is, socialism embraces none of those things, and the ideals behind the hammer and sickle do not endorse them. A socialist wearing the hammer and sickle today does not believe that the horrors of Stalin's reign, or indeed the entire Soviet Union was an any way an actual communist or socialist society.
Also, if you want to talk about one subject, please don't bring up other discussion topics in the same thread. If you want to talk about gun control or the plight of pro-gun white Christians in the United States of today then please start another thread. (Actually gun-control threads might be banned, I can't remember). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'll break it down so you can see were i come from on every point.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The thing is, socialism embraces none of those things, and the ideals behind the hammer and sickle do not endorse them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read above, my points very valid.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A socialist wearing the hammer and sickle today does not believe that the horrors of Stalin's reign, or indeed the entire Soviet Union was an any way an actual communist or socialist society. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I highly doubt a socialist would even attempt to wear the H&S(hammer and sickle)
And a socalist of today would not want to connect himself with stalin because of
what happened in his time, and what happened under the Rouise of "Stalin" You
quickly try and push away any horror that happened. Thats Sad.
"The entire soviet union was not a communist or socialist society."
"it symbolises the strugle of the working man and the communist ideology"
Gee, you kinda fudged up here. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> You say - the entire soviet union wasnt
commie or socalist, Then say about its symbol is the strugle of the working man
and commie ideology. Whats up hypocrite.
Wanna point out the differences between dictatorship, and commie? i can.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->equality and society run by the workers is the main idea and the benefit behind socialism
an ideal socialist regime is run by the workers and the common citizen with no organized form of goverment
no man woman or child in a socialist society owns more then another nor do they have any more rights and privileges then another
this abolishes private land ownership major personal possessions (jewels, art, anything of significant monetary value) this is all owned by the state.
the differences between a socialist regime and that of a communist party is that with socialism the whole society decides apon adopting the idea
with communism one person facilitates the idea and acts as temporary dictator in order to get the system up and running.
This one person is responsible for getting the idea going and to make sure that it is accepted and that the people will all work for "The better of the good"
Then after everything is running smoothly this temp dictator is to step down and allow things to run their course, ......This step was never acheived in the rule of stalin <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You died for stalin, you died for his ideology. You went into flag under his symbol.
**EDIT**
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, if you want to talk about one subject, please don't bring up other discussion topics in the same thread. If you want to talk about gun control or the plight of pro-gun white Christians in the United States of today then please start another thread. (Actually gun-control threads might be banned, I can't remember). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i touched on multipal topics at the END of my statement, they were not up for debate. was a simple message i wished to attaach. and i'll pass on the gun debate.
i wont risk a ban because you say so.
will be in the minority In america, i wonder what america will look like 200 years.
Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Could you clarify this? Specifically the <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> bit?
Socialism is a politically and socially acceptable ideology.
Fascism is not.
The hammer and sickle is not representative of the USSR; it is a socialist symbol that was used by the Soviet Union. The government of the Soviet Union and the crimes it committed were not socialist in nature. Socialists today and people who use the hammer and sickle as an icon do not endorse the actions of the USSR.
Well I can some what agree to that and hugely not agree to that. The HakenKruez (not sure if I spelt it right) would most likely be the evil swastika portrayed by the nazi's. Not all swastika's are bad, mainly the bad one your looking for is the Red background with white circle with a turned swastika. I have for many years struggled with people with this. At times in class i'll draw a counter clock wise swastika and people would give you that funny look like "WTH are you doing nazi person?"
Simply for 3,000+ years the swastika was used to a good luck symbol by MANY nations from Asia to Europe. Obviously a easy google search would come up with it.
<a href='http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/4965/swastika.html' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy...5/swastika.html</a>
Can't find the link that had the nations that used the swastika (running on 2 hours of sleep).
Swastika is made up of 4 L's representing Luck,Light,Love,Life. Kinda sad how such a good symbol can turn so evil because one man uses it for (not sure when he instated it) 20 yrs I say?
Well I can some what agree to that and hugely not agree to that. The HakenKruez (not sure if I spelt it right) would most likely be the evil swastika portrayed by the nazi's. Not all swastika's are bad, mainly the bad one your looking for is the Red background with white circle with a turned swastika. I have for many years struggled with people with this. At times in class i'll draw a counter clock wise swastika and people would give you that funny look like "WTH are you doing nazi person?"
Simply for 3,000+ years the swastika was used to a good luck symbol by MANY nations from Asia to Europe. Obviously a easy google search would come up with it.
<a href='http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/4965/swastika.html' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy...5/swastika.html</a>
Can't find the link that had the nations that used the swastika (running on 2 hours of sleep).
Swastika is made up of 4 L's representing Luck,Light,Love,Life. Kinda sad how such a good symbol can turn so evil because one man uses it for (not sure when he instated it) 20 yrs I say? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yah its sad, he also preverted the old roman salute and the germans had some pretty spiffy uniforms, but they had to go and ruin it with the whole war thing <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm white, Christian, and pro gun. All 3 things endangered. (By 2050 white people
will be in the minority In america, i wonder what america will look like 200 years.
Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Could you clarify this? Specifically the
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
bit?
It says as it stands, i'm White, Proud to Be white, pro gun, and Christian.
in the year 2050 Whites will be a minority in America. 20 million illeagle mexicans
are also speeding that along. WN = White Nationalist, you can look that up on your
own if you care enough too. Anything i say will be cut apart and i'll be labeled
"Racist". Simply put: Blacks have pride? There good blacks. When whites do it
and gather togeather to have pride in being white we're "Racists" I think thats
very wrong. This country cares nothing about terrorisim. And i will simply explain
why. If we cared about protecting our citizens we would have sealed the border
with mexico and mined it. its only a matter of time until someone sneaks a nuke
into the Us from the backdoor.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll break it down for you since you completely missed the point of my post:
Socialism is a politically and socially acceptable ideology.
Fascism is not.
The hammer and sickle is not representative of the USSR; it is a socialist symbol that was used by the Soviet Union. The government of the Soviet Union and the crimes it committed were not socialist in nature. Socialists today and people who use the hammer and sickle as an icon do not endorse the actions of the USSR.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yea thanks man for breaking that down for me, i really appricate it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Socialism is a politically and socially acceptable ideology.
Fascism is not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks, i already knew that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The hammer and sickle is not representative of the USSR; it is a socialist symbol that was used by the Soviet Union. The government of the Soviet Union and the crimes it committed were not socialist in nature. Socialists today and people who use the hammer and sickle as an icon do not endorse the actions of the USSR. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well guess what? Walk up to anyone on the street and ask about ww2 and stalin-
THEY ALL SAY HAMMER AND SICKLE. from your name and the way you act on this
post i wouldnt doubt you being a commie and not from america. In america we
identify by symbols more then we care to ask about things. Thats how its
precieved here. I really dont care if you get what i'm saying or not, i made it
very clear, you just chose to be ignorant of what I said. He was an evil man. His
military fought, died, and raped under that icon. Not saying they all did, but thats
what that symbol means in alot of peoples eyes, and its offensive weather you
care to get that or not.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->people who use the hammer and sickle as an icon do not endorse the actions of the USSR.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So now your changing gears on what your saying>? Wanna be a socialist?> you
knock yourself out. Just know you'll get negative comments from americans and
russians for using that symbol.
The swastica flat like a block means health and prosperty or something along those
lines. Hitler put it on a slant. We're talking russians.
Excuse me. Its true. Were do you see white people, Proclaiming pride in being white without being called a racist? Show me a group, show me a white pride
site that isnt deemed racist. They dont exist. In detroit there's a buiseness and it
has spray painted on the top "Black owned" if whites did that the local NAACP
would kick there ****. The 15 year old girl in Ohio for wanting to start a
Cacasion club was hassled by HER local NAACP and shut down even when the
white club was open to people of all races.
Hitler killed millions so did stalin. Thats not pride in being white, thats killing
anyone who doesnt agree with you.
Excuse me. Its true. Were do you see white people, Proclaiming pride in being white without being called a racist? Show me a group, show me a white pride
site that isnt deemed racist. They dont exist. In detroit there's a buiseness and it
has spray painted on the top "Black owned" if whites did that the local NAACP
would kick there ****. The 15 year old girl in Ohio for wanting to start a
Cacasion club was hassled by HER local NAACP and shut down even when the
white club was open to people of all races.
Hitler killed millions so did stalin. Thats not pride in being white, thats killing
anyone who doesnt agree with you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you're entirely missing the point. See, you have this notion that we should comdemn the displaying of a symbol because it invokes images of nastiness. Yet when you proudly proclaim yourself to be "White Nationalist" and it conjures similar images in the mids of the forum readers its perfectly ok. So, which is it? Is it ok to invoke images of mass murder and hate crimes or not?
BTW, you're starting to drift offtopic with this ranting about the NAACP and such, you should start a separate thread if you wish to discuss that.
If your killing a few million people yeah, i think thats kinda nasty dont you>?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yet when you proudly proclaim yourself to be "White Nationalist" and it conjures similar images in the mids of the forum readers its perfectly ok. So, which is it? Is it ok to invoke images of mass murder and hate crimes or not?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont expect people to understand what "White Naitonal" means, and Obvously
there gonna think bad. Thats why i dont like to expand on the topic. If they wanna
know what its about they have the right to search for it. My political feelings aside
we're talking about the H&S Wanna condem me because i'm saying something
you dont understand and your not informed enough to know what it means?
Knock yourself out, your welcome to your opinion.
I Never said its ok to invoke images of murder. Dont twist buddy. If your looking
to get a rise you wont get one. my point stands, all your trying to do is pick a fight
with info that you dont have and comming off stupid. but like i said, your welcome
to that too.
If your killing a few million people yeah, i think thats kinda nasty dont you>?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yet when you proudly proclaim yourself to be "White Nationalist" and it conjures similar images in the mids of the forum readers its perfectly ok. So, which is it? Is it ok to invoke images of mass murder and hate crimes or not?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont expect people to understand what "White Naitonal" means, and Obvously
there gonna think bad. Thats why i dont like to expand on the topic. If they wanna
know what its about they have the right to search for it. My political feelings aside
we're talking about the H&S Wanna condem me because i'm saying something
you dont understand and your not informed enough to know what it means?
Knock yourself out, your welcome to your opinion.
I Never said its ok to invoke images of murder. Dont twist buddy. If your looking
to get a rise you wont get one. my point stands, all your trying to do is pick a fight
with info that you dont have and comming off stupid. but like i said, your welcome
to that too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're condemning the swastica and H&S not because of what they really are, but because of what people think when they see them. Similarly, you should condemn your own statement of "White pride" not because of what it is, but because of what people think when they see it. But you don't. Why? Because you think you are right and those dirty aethiest commie **** are wrong. Theres no point in arguing with you, your mind is already closed and guarded by 3 armed guards and a rather ferocious looking dog, so I'll leave you alone to vent at people who may have more patience than I do.
When the hell did i say white power>? Your talking out your ****, and have not done any research about Wn'isim. Yes, i mentioned it just so people would say "Hey, what is that"....but there's a fine line between white pride..and butchering people. DONT YOU GET THAT? The horrible things that were carried out
under that flag, and that man. If you want to condem me because i say that word
"WN'isim" like i said before, You can, but its ALSO your choice to look it up. Its
kinda like a comershal that finishes short, if your intrested you Can look it up.
You automatically assume WHITE POWER and all that other junk. YOur the one
closed off. i hope this made a little sence to you, and you dont get pissy fitted
and walk away when you dont give a discussion some time for the OTHER person
to explain.
When the hell did i say white power>? Your talking out your ****, and have not done any research about Wn'isim. Yes, i mentioned it just so people would say "Hey, what is that"....but there's a fine line between white pride..and butchering people. DONT YOU GET THAT? The horrible things that were carried out
under that flag, and that man. If you want to condem me because i say that word
"WN'isim" like i said before, You can, but its ALSO your choice to look it up. Its
kinda like a comershal that finishes short, if your intrested you Can look it up.
You automatically assume WHITE POWER and all that other junk. YOur the one
closed off. i hope this made a little sence to you, and you dont get pissy fitted
and walk away when you dont give a discussion some time for the OTHER person
to explain. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry, you said "White pride". I will correct the error.
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD. According to your arguments, I don't have to do any reasearch on what WN is, because WHAT I THINK WHEN I FIRST SEE IT is all that matters according to you. Just like what you think when you see a H&S is all that matters to you, not what its real meaning is.
Last time buddy. I said Wn. Not a million people died during the course of WN.
Not a single Person will die. and i will be praying for safty at any event or ralley.
For Everyone.
You havent read a dam word i said. Go back a page. Read some of those things.
People were executed under that flag. That flag and stalin are linked. you dont read
anything i say.
Unless you coun't some other people who were big into "white pride" like the KKK, the Nazis, ect. No killing there right? And acording to your arguments it doesn't matter what form your "White pride" takes, so much as what people think when you proclaim your "white pride". And people think of th KKK and the Nazis and death. This is EXACTLY the same argument you use to say the H&S shouldn't be displayed. It is your argument, not mine. Let me say that again for clairity: I AM USING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT TO CONDEMN YOUR "WHITE PRIDE" STATEMENT, NOT MINE.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You havent read a dam word i said. Go back a page. Read some of those things.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I havent read a word you've said? WTH? I've tried to explain to you the hypocracy of your argument for the last 5 posts and all you can do is spout about the NAACP and how I should lookup WN and how I haven't read a word you've said.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
People were executed under that flag. That flag and stalin are linked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For the first time this discussion, I'm going to use one of my own arguments, instead of yours:
So? people were executed in the name of "white pride" too. And hell, people were even executed in the name of christ, the crusades killed millions, once of them is rumerd to have left a pool of knee deep blood in the streets of juruselem. So I suppose we should ban the crucifix too eh?
Unless you coun't some other people who were big into "white pride" like the KKK, the Nazis, ect. No killing there right? And acording to your arguments it doesn't matter what form your "White pride" takes, so much as what people think when you proclaim your "white pride". And people think of th KKK and the Nazis and death. This is EXACTLY the same argument you use to say the H&S shouldn't be displayed. It is your argument, not mine. Let me say that again for clairity: I AM USING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT TO CONDEMN YOUR "WHITE PRIDE" STATEMENT, NOT MINE.
You havent read a dam word i said. Go back a page. Read some of those things.
I havent read a word you've said? WTH? I've tried to explain to you the hypocracy of your argument for the last 5 posts and all you can do is spout about the NAACP and how I haven't read a word you've said.
People were executed under that flag. That flag and stalin are linked.
For the first time this discussion, I'm going to use one of my own arguments, instead of yours:
So? people were executed in the name of "white pride" too. And hell, people were even executed in the name fo christ, the crusades killed millions, once of them is rumerd to have left a pool of knee deep blood in the streets of juruselem. So I suppose we should ban the crucifix too eh? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Unless you coun't some other people who were big into "white pride" like the KKK, the Nazis, ect. No killing there right? And acording to your arguments it doesn't matter what form your "White pride" takes, so much as what people think when you proclaim your "white pride". And people think of th KKK and the Nazis and death. This is EXACTLY the same argument you use to say the H&S shouldn't be displayed. It is your argument, not mine. Let me say that again for clairity: I AM USING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT TO CONDEMN YOUR "WHITE PRIDE" STATEMENT, NOT MINE."
I do not support Nazi groups, They are for WHITE POWER, Dominance over every-
one. same for the KKK. Yea, there's killing- beyond obvous. If your going to try
and stick it into someone stick it in yourself, reduced to the level of compairing
WN to them, in the hopes to tie in murder to Wnisim. Well lets see, theres not to
many people saying "White pride" Because of them. And any group, me, or other
that tries to say "White pride" gets instantly tied back to them. Your not white i bet
so you wont be able to understand that. No it is your argument for bringing them
up and comparing me to them. See i urged people go and look for WN, get it>?
it was a distance statement. I will not link any of that material on this post. You
want it- you search for it. Call me whatever you like. Comparing S&H to WN is a
beyond weak argument because MILLIONS DID NOT DIE, HUNDREDS WERE NOT
RAPED, or GASED or other horrible things like that. You dont need much of a brain
to see that me mentioning that was a recruiting skeem. I'm comming off inteligent
here. So that maybe might make one or 2 people intrested in looking up what it
means. And if they do i'm sure they might be intrested in it.
If anything your helping me, thanks. Rape and death, Not white pride. Dont you get
that>? what about all those germam women that were raped and killed>? and vica
versa? does that mean nothing in my post anymore>? MILLIONS DIDNT DIE
for simple WILLING seperation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For the first time this discussion, I'm going to use one of my own arguments, instead of yours:
So? people were executed in the name of "white pride" too. And hell, people were even executed in the name fo christ, the crusades killed millions, once of them is rumerd to have left a pool of knee deep blood in the streets of juruselem. So I suppose we should ban the crucifix too eh? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very good, that shows me i'm getting into your head and you might actually think
about other people.
No, people were not executed under "White Pride" because that was never WHITE
PRIDE to begin with. You dont pick up a gun. you dont kill people. You talk to them
you reason, if you cant you walk away. In the stance of pride you never let it go
that far. Religion is a big one, Keep that out of my post, yes its slightly relivant
but mods will lock.
BINGO! Thankyou very much.
marine reskins but if i dare make a nazi skin i'm an evil racist biggot? (No, i'm not
a nazi. I'm using them because there the perfect example of how powerfull a
symbol can be.)
Hitler killed millions, So did stalin. Thease guys are butchers, You think that the
hammer and sickle is ok because its on the RA2 game? Why in the german ww2
games is the swastica mostly removed? Why can the Russian Symbol be allowed
but the German one cannot? Its the "In your face Action" that works on you
without you knowing it. The more YOU'RE subjected to something the less serous
you take it. So most of you will view my post as lunicy over a symbol. But it would
be so much more different if i was Toating MASSIVE big black and white swasticas
all over this forum.....i dont get it, explain it to me please.
i recieved the following comments-
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Wow. Chill.
Communism did many great things and also many bad things. But so do guns, so I guess guns should be made illegal in NS " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Other then get a bunch of people purged, and countless others also killed by
human wave assults i dont really recoginize anything.
The V2? Hitlers creation. they just tinkered with it.
The Mp44/Ak debate? I dont think so.
Improved Torture devices? Yea i'll give them that.
Nukes? Hitler would of had them anyway, Or The US.
T34 vs Tiger - Tiger
T34 vs King Tiger - King Tiger
(Distance)
The best tank of ww2 would eather be:
The sherman with the british gun that could take out a
Tiger Witch Us, the Americans Never took up because it was
British Tech. The Panther, or The Tiger.
I'm very pro gun. Defend your local N.r.a. With the manditory Registration now
its a few steps closer to them being taken away.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->dude u need to take a time out the skin in paticular has nothing to do with Racism
its just Red
in another thread some1 wanted a skin with a comunist badge ?
a dead and buried thread i might add and i believe this was alread disussed
and has nothing to do with Nazis or any h8 crime as such
wot u think Russians r bad because they where communist etc
small point is theres no need to hyjack a thread with something that has already be discussed.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
O please, Like the russians didnt tout themselves Supiror when they were at there
hight? Yea right. Thats Racisim. Killing 40k german Heer Pow's. (Not Nazis)
Justification for shooting 200 german Pow's because 2 Russian Officers were killed
by resistance fighters in 1945/46? The largest Number of Retrobution shots, 200
friggin people. Yea, germans did worse, americans Retrobuted shots (wow a
shock!) but we're focusing on Russians. 200 people. i wonder how many had
familys, children, loved ones.
I had not seen the prevous thread, had i- i would of objected to that too. So admin
your statement makes them untouchable? blah, not while i cruize this forum.
Points?
- Its a hate symbol. Walk around in public with it on you, Watch the reactions.
- Advocates German Woman rape, same for russian women rape with the swazi.
- Death to your enemys, No mercy, bullet to the head after info extracted.
Look at it for what it is. See the hypocrisy with that and then if someone puts up a
swastica.
I'm white, Christian, and pro gun. All 3 things endangered. (By 2050 white people
will be in the minority In america, i wonder what america will look like 200 years.
Become a WN. Stop the hate, Seperate.) i admit to my rushed spelling mistakes in
advance. So if your going to throw up a bunch of "god your spelling sucks so much"
ect ect. choke on them yourself, keep on topic please- i do my best to make sure
its readable in the time i have on here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its the simple fact that on an ideaology standpoint, Naziism is obviosuly wrong becaue its intent is racist. Whereas communism is equality.
Trying to label an idealology on the bases of what was practiced is not only ignorant, but foolish.
I shouldn't have to tell you whats foolish considering you are a bigot.
Unless you coun't some other people who were big into "white pride" like the KKK, the Nazis, ect. No killing there right? And acording to your arguments it doesn't matter what form your "White pride" takes, so much as what people think when you proclaim your "white pride". And people think of th KKK and the Nazis and death. This is EXACTLY the same argument you use to say the H&S shouldn't be displayed. It is your argument, not mine. Let me say that again for clairity: I AM USING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT TO CONDEMN YOUR "WHITE PRIDE" STATEMENT, NOT MINE.
You havent read a dam word i said. Go back a page. Read some of those things.
I havent read a word you've said? WTH? I've tried to explain to you the hypocracy of your argument for the last 5 posts and all you can do is spout about the NAACP and how I haven't read a word you've said.
People were executed under that flag. That flag and stalin are linked.
For the first time this discussion, I'm going to use one of my own arguments, instead of yours:
So? people were executed in the name of "white pride" too. And hell, people were even executed in the name fo christ, the crusades killed millions, once of them is rumerd to have left a pool of knee deep blood in the streets of juruselem. So I suppose we should ban the crucifix too eh? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Unless you coun't some other people who were big into "white pride" like the KKK, the Nazis, ect. No killing there right? And acording to your arguments it doesn't matter what form your "White pride" takes, so much as what people think when you proclaim your "white pride". And people think of th KKK and the Nazis and death. This is EXACTLY the same argument you use to say the H&S shouldn't be displayed. It is your argument, not mine. Let me say that again for clairity: I AM USING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT TO CONDEMN YOUR "WHITE PRIDE" STATEMENT, NOT MINE."
I do not support Nazi groups, They are for WHITE POWER, Dominance over every-
one. same for the KKK. Yea, there's killing- beyond obvous. If your going to try
and stick it into someone stick it in yourself, reduced to the level of compairing
WN to them, in the hopes to tie in murder to Wnisim. Well lets see, theres not to
many people saying "White pride" Because of them. And any group, me, or other
that tries to say "White pride" gets instantly tied back to them. Your not white i bet
so you wont be able to understand that. No it is your argument for bringing them
up and comparing me to them. See i urged people go and look for WN, get it>?
it was a distance statement. I will not link any of that material on this post. You
want it- you search for it. Call me whatever you like. Comparing S&H to WN is a
beyond weak argument because MILLIONS DID NOT DIE, HUNDREDS WERE NOT
RAPED, or GASED or other horrible things like that. You dont need much of a brain
to see that me mentioning that was a recruiting skeem. I'm comming off inteligent
here. So that maybe might make one or 2 people intrested in looking up what it
means. And if they do i'm sure they might be intrested in it.
If anything your helping me, thanks. Rape and death, Not white pride. Dont you get
that>? what about all those germam women that were raped and killed>? and vica
versa? does that mean nothing in my post anymore>? MILLIONS DIDNT DIE
for simple WILLING seperation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For the first time this discussion, I'm going to use one of my own arguments, instead of yours:
So? people were executed in the name of "white pride" too. And hell, people were even executed in the name fo christ, the crusades killed millions, once of them is rumerd to have left a pool of knee deep blood in the streets of juruselem. So I suppose we should ban the crucifix too eh? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very good, that shows me i'm getting into your head and you might actually think
about other people.
No, people were not executed under "White Pride" because that was never WHITE
PRIDE to begin with. You dont pick up a gun. you dont kill people. You talk to them
you reason, if you cant you walk away. In the stance of pride you never let it go
that far. Religion is a big one, Keep that out of my post, yes its slightly relivant
but mods will lock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok look. I know I've tried to say this like 6 or 7 times already. But by your argument since "White pride" and "white power" are equatable in the minds of "any person you meet on the street", then it should be equally banned as the swastika which to "any person you meet on the street" is equitable to nazism. Thats all I've been saying this whole time. This is inline with all your reasoning and by all means is supporting your argument that if one bans the swastica they should also ban the H&S... and the crcifix, and the American flag (we had our fair share of race based slaughter now didn't we?). But you seem to take it as a personal attack against WN, it is not.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your not white i bet<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually I am. Good thing money wasn't involved eh? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Trying to label an idealology on the bases of what was practiced is not only ignorant, but foolish.
I shouldn't have to tell you whats foolish considering you are a bigot. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what Stalin had wasnt communism. You dont obvously get that. You disgust me.
I dont hate, hate consumes- i'm aware of hate and how it ruins lives- theres no
need for the symbol in a gaming forum with kids.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok look. I know I've tried to say this like 6 or 7 times already. But by your argument since "White pride" and "white power" are equatable in the minds of "any person you meet on the street", then it should be equally banned as the swastika which to "any person you meet on the street" is equitable to nazism. Thats all I've been saying this whole time. This is inline with all your reasoning and by all means is supporting your argument that if one bans the swastica they should also ban the H&S... and the crcifix, and the American flag (we had our fair share of race based slaughter now didn't we?). But you seem to take it as a personal attack against WN, it is not.
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Your not white i bet
Actually I am. Good thing money wasn't involved eh? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just because you have white skin doesnt mean you have a white mentality.
You oppose WN, something that is required for our survival, i just rate you into the
catagory of self hating whites. To bad i wasnt taking money bets on that, i woulda
scored big <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> and like i'd really take what you had to say for gospel anyway.
What you fail to understand no matter how many times its repeated for you, White
pride, and White power. Here i'll dum it down so even you can understand it, now
really, put on your glasses and go over it word by word. White pride is standing
up as a people. being proud of witch direction YOU came from. enjoying what
cultures you have. then having children and passing all the traditions you have
down to the next generation. If everyone goes off to the melting pot thery whites
decrease, as with the stated 2050 minoroty.
White power is going to extremes. Violence, KKK, Naziism. You throw this up like
your attempting to get me angry....but your the ignorant one. Anything to get
people to follow you. scaring the oposition and downright killing them. There has
been enough of this in history. They dont need to exist anymore. Street wise
preaching Wn'isim is not conducted how i said it in this forum. Its mentioned after
the fact. After your asked questions. As i said before you want the info>? YOU
go look for it. I'm talking stright up, i dont need to win anybody over, i'm saying
how things really are, if you agree with me good for you, welcome to the real
world if not....like it has been said your welcome to your own opinion.
Actually there already talking about banning the cross?> Havent you heard>? wow
i thought you'd be up on that. And yet again, spoken to you- WN'isim didnt kill
millions of people under that flag. Russians did. not all, some did- enough to stand
out in history as with Nazi'ism. Obvously you see nothing wrong with the rape of
women and the killing of pows, children as you've never touched on the subject.
avoiding the heart of my topic.
In contrast the swastika has only ever been used by the Nazis as a govermental symbol, and thus has come to represent Nazism and only nazism (although it is true that it is historically a symbol of luck, I would recomend not angling it with clockwize zigs if you want to defend that point however).
What a symbol means is irrelivent of what the masses deem it to mean, your average person doesn't know that stalin killed far more people that hitler, and thus is not properly equipped with the critical thinking skills to make a judgement on the meaning of the hammer and sickle anyways. Anyways, if we are going to blindly trust the masses then we must follow thier policy nuetrality towards the symbol, for they simply don't know what it means.
Afterglow, you mentioned that you were christian; are you aware that in the middle east the star of david is an abhored symbol, and the cross is widely looked down on? These symbols are not defined simply by what people belive them to mean, they are icons for a way of life that many people choose to support.
Even in America there are many peacefull rational people with a far left leaning, to marginalize the symbol that they may or may not have taken to represent themself is simply an insult, and to do it on a basis of what largely uneducated people think of it is clearly offencive.
Really? Thats a new one to me...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I just rate you into the
catagory of self hating whites.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I may hate myself, but I assure you it has little to do with the color of my skin.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To bad i wasnt taking money bets on that, i woulda
scored big<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aparently not.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What you fail to understand no matter how many times its repeated for you, White
pride, and White power. Here i'll dum it down so even you can understand it, now
really, put on your glasses and go over it word by word. White pride is standing
up as a people. being proud of witch direction YOU came from. enjoying what
cultures you have. then having children and passing all the traditions you have
down to the next generation. If everyone goes off to the melting pot thery whites
decrease, as with the stated 2050 minoroty. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You missed the point again. I'm not even going to bother making it again. Ok, maybe just one last time. I know there is a difference between "white pride" and "white power" (honestly that one time was a mistake) but according to your arguments it doesn't matter, since most people wouldn't and would equate the two.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->s i said before you want the info>? YOU
go look for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't bother saying it again. I don't care, it doesn't even matter, I was trying to make that point using your argument, but you didn't get it so I'm just going to drop it now.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually there already talking about banning the cross?> Havent you heard>? wow
i thought you'd be up on that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah me too... wonder how I missed that one...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Obvously you see nothing wrong with the rape of
women and the killing of pows, children as you've never touched on the subject. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I haven't touched the subject because it has been irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, which I've given up on since you still don't get it. Now that you've made several incorrect and unsupported statements concerning myself, why don't you stop. And the next time you accuse me of something like that you better damned well back it up.
In contrast the swastika has only ever been used by the Nazis as a govermental symbol, and thus has come to represent Nazism and only nazism (although it is true that it is historically a symbol of luck, I would recomend not angling it with clockwize zigs if you want to defend that point however).
What a symbol means is irrelivent of what the masses deem it to mean, your average person doesn't know that stalin killed far more people that hitler, and thus is not properly equipped with the critical thinking skills to make a judgement on the meaning of the hammer and sickle anyways. Anyways, if we are going to blindly trust the masses then we must follow thier policy nuetrality towards the symbol, for they simply don't know what it means.
Afterglow, you mentioned that you were christian; are you aware that in the middle east the star of david is an abhored symbol, and the cross is widely looked down on? These symbols are not defined simply by what people belive them to mean, they are icons for a way of life that many people choose to support.
Even in America there are many peacefull rational people with a far left leaning, to marginalize the symbol that they may or may not have taken to represent themself is simply an insult, and to do it on a basis of what largely uneducated people think of it is clearly offencive. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The hammer and sickle is not a stalin regimist symbol, it is a socialist/comunist icon, it has been used by nearly every comunist country since russia and is even part of the chineese flag. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually it is based with a stalin regimist symbol. it will be outlined in history and
forever linked to that man and what he had done irraguardless if china has it on
there flag or not. Yes- it is a socalist/commie but what he had was a stright
dictatorship- noone ever says that but me. I'm not aware on the entire history of
"The stright not tainted version of communisim", but its painfull aware to anyone
who checks out russia during the peroid of world war two to realize that wasnt
communisim in its true form.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In contrast the swastika has only ever been used by the Nazis as a govermental symbol, and thus has come to represent Nazism and only nazism (although it is true that it is historically a symbol of luck, I would recomend not angling it with clockwize zigs if you want to defend that point however). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually the swastica has been popular recently, with mexican gangs preaching
brotherhood (lost the link but it IS out there) and other groups, yes i know you
ment in big groups and unions but small groups have the ability to become big.
they see the powerfull symbol and in a lack of creativity burst they claim it and
rename it. Its happened quite often in history. No, not only "Naziisim" i'll deff
disagree there. groups have switched the meaning- tho not large now....who knows
in years they could be. Its the BASIS of the arugment, and you missed the point
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What a symbol means is irrelivent of what the masses deem it to mean, your average person doesn't know that stalin killed far more people that hitler, and thus is not properly equipped with the critical thinking skills to make a judgement on the meaning of the hammer and sickle anyways. Anyways, if we are going to blindly trust the masses then we must follow thier policy nuetrality towards the symbol, for they simply don't know what it means.
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The avarage person is far more smarter then what we give him credit for. We're
not going by documented survays here....Alot, and i mean alot of people do not
agree with this symbol. Just as my religion and removing the word "Christmas"
tree from schools and replacing it with a "seasonal tree" how wretched.
Do you doubt that too>? i'm not going by stright public...but many groups disagree
with it. ONtop of the public? and even it for being on chinas flag i have no doubt.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Afterglow, you mentioned that you were christian; are you aware that in the middle east the star of david is an abhored symbol, and the cross is widely looked down on? These symbols are not defined simply by what people belive them to mean, they are icons for a way of life that many people choose to support.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes i'm aware, and i'm completely avoiding religion. i made that clear. as you said
above symbols can be taken for a way of life....what do you think happens when
they release the symbol out with the Westwood Redalert game?> Its not true
commie. No-one agree's with me on that. You always portray Stalin as stright
comunist- Never a dictator.
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Many left leaners dont even see the symbol- they always choose to avoid it and its
never brought up infront of them- such as the Nazi or KKK symbols. there's always
a massive influx of people who want to learn, colleges are always filled....notice
that>? whats it take>? a little bit of learning, some pictures of some russians
purging eachother to see stalin was a dictator>? Always avoiding the meat. but
you conducted your statment very well- even tho you left out the purges,
portraying stalin as a true commie and not a dictator, the dead, the atrosities ect
ect.
You oppose WN
Really? Thats a new one to me...
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I just rate you into the
catagory of self hating whites.
Well I may hate myself, but I assure you it has little to do with the color of my skin.
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To bad i wasnt taking money bets on that, i woulda
scored big
Aparently not.
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What you fail to understand no matter how many times its repeated for you, White
pride, and White power. Here i'll dum it down so even you can understand it, now
really, put on your glasses and go over it word by word. White pride is standing
up as a people. being proud of witch direction YOU came from. enjoying what
cultures you have. then having children and passing all the traditions you have
down to the next generation. If everyone goes off to the melting pot thery whites
decrease, as with the stated 2050 minoroty.
You missed the point again. I'm not even going to bother making it again. Ok, maybe just one last time. I know there is a difference between "white pride" and "white power" (honestly that one time was a mistake) but according to your arguments it doesn't matter, since most people wouldn't and would equate the two.
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s i said before you want the info>? YOU
go look for it.
Don't bother saying it again. I don't care, it doesn't even matter, I was trying to make that point using your argument, but you didn't get it so I'm just going to drop it now.
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Actually there already talking about banning the cross?> Havent you heard>? wow
i thought you'd be up on that.
Yeah me too... wonder how I missed that one...
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Obvously you see nothing wrong with the rape of
women and the killing of pows, children as you've never touched on the subject.
I haven't touched the subject because it has been irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, which I've given up on since you still don't get it. Now that you've made several incorrect and unsupported statements concerning myself, why don't you stop. And the next time you accuse me of something like that you better damend well back it up.
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You never said you were for, you never looked, so i assume until you provide fact.
all people do it, not that its always right but you said nothing, and i doubt you
would be pro anyway.
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That really doesnt say anything now does it>? its more like a verbal trap waiting
for me to assume again so you can pounce. And i'm sure it does, you'd be suprised
by how your life is affected through skin color.
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to each his own.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You missed the point again. I'm not even going to bother making it again. Ok, maybe just one last time. I know there is a difference between "white pride" and "white power" (honestly that one time was a mistake) but according to your arguments it doesn't matter, since most people wouldn't and would equate the two.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When in doubt pin it off and make me incompitent even tho you admit to a mistake
(prolly because i kicked a$s on what i had said) but hey. *claps for you knowing
the difference* What i had said was a small guesture of a recrutign move to get
people intrested. Only to intise people. you blew it up and made a tactfull move.
Congratz. but, what about all the people that died. What about all the people that
died while that flag was hanging, when people of russian decent were purged in the
name of stalin. Why can such an abomination fly while the same thing happened to
hitler? Prosicute me for my political stance all you want too, just dont avoid the
issue please.
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So you dont care eh? How can i argue the valididy of my points if "You dont care"?
to anyone reading welcome to the world of debating, this happens alot. No, you
just made a bad example and wont honor up to it. I mention the dead and you
blame my ignorance for speaking about them first over my beliefs. It was a bad
example that YOU stated.
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The dead was the meat of my post, you should not of replied in my thread then.
They where what i was talking about and still am.
forever linked to that man and what he had done irraguardless if china has it on
there flag or not. Yes- it is a socalist/commie but what he had was a stright
dictatorship- noone ever says that but me. I'm not aware on the entire history of
"The stright not tainted version of communisim", but its painfull aware to anyone
who checks out russia during the peroid of world war two to realize that wasnt
communisim in its true form. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lenin's government used the symbol first and Stalin simply adopted it in his attempt to ride Lenin's popularity to unopposed power, it isn't fair to say the definition of this icon lay solely in the hands of Stalin, it isn't really fair to credit him with it at all. In contrast Hitler solely applied the swastika to nazism, it doesn't really mean anything in the context of that organization except the definitions that Hitler applied to it.
If were gonna bark on this issue anyways I might as well bring up some other symbols, why does the american government use an eagle? clearly that is a symbol of nazism, the same with the cross. we sould abolish the use of the symbol of an axe bound to a bundle of sticks as that was used by mussilinis facist ragime.
Symbols are not defined by the darkest name we can tie them to, and your definition of the cross and sickle as a symbol of the atrocities commited by the Stalinist regime is simply not accurate. The hammer and sickle signifies the union of the industrial and farming working forces for thier greater good, and its definition can be credited most acurately to its creator, Karl Marx.