R-i-p Bast, Ayumi And Hera

oOTOooOTOo Join Date: 2003-04-11 Member: 15401Members
in Mapping Forum
Just a post to tell everybody here that these 3 official maps will probably never more be played in current official french NS league (born today). They have been rejected after a survey among 6 maps : Nancy, Agora and Lost have been drafted and will be played only because a bunch of people made a lot of noise to allow it i guess.


I'm sad. The French Ligue that was born today (today is the first day of existence) is "skilled orientated" and rejected a certain NS spirit. That will allow best clans to practise their skill in great map for it and to remain a private club without any warning from rookies (<-- that's only my personnal view).

Anyway, it's a very tragic news (even if i'm happy to start compete) and i hope you all will be vigilant in your own countries and leagues to stop this view of practising serious NS scimming.
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  • DarkFighterDarkFighter Join Date: 2004-02-06 Member: 26146Members
    shouldnt this be in another forum?
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  • MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate places Valencia, Spain Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer
    edited May 2004
    Strange, no eclipse / veil / tanith ?

    Anyways, bast is going to have big changes (mostly balance, and having competitive play in mind...) for beta 5

    btw, NSLeague is playing a lot of maps... and I certainly like that, people should just adapt to all the maps instead of whinning, I guess. If they can't come up with new strats... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • ReebdoogReebdoog Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21035Members
    I fully agree mend. They should adapt their playing style for each map, not kick some out because they don't fit in with their style of play. I think only the best clans would be able to play every map well, instead of some maps sensationally.
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  • NzNexusNzNexus Join Date: 2004-02-16 Member: 26605Banned
    tragic to hear this.
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  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    edited May 2004
    Why is it so surprising? These 3 maps are the maps that are obviously not built for 6vs6 given their size/number of nodes.
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  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    But Agora got in?
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  • OlmyOlmy Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16142Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Developer, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Draconis+May 10 2004, 01:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Draconis @ May 10 2004, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is it so surprising? These 3 maps are the maps that are obviously not built for 6vs6 given their size/number of nodes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it's surprising using your argument because agora is HUGE! Not that i'm putting it down, i think it's a great map.
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  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    edited May 2004
    They had to remove 3 maps of those 6, well they made their choices.. And imo agora is way more playable in scrims than hera for example. But that doesnt change the fact those maps are good maps for pubs, dont get that wrong.
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  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    its the french, whats so surprising....
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  • oOTOooOTOo Join Date: 2003-04-11 Member: 15401Members
    edited May 2004
    bad Gimp work, sorry <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    (ssjyoda : i'm french too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
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  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    this is a funny topic. you come in here like its tragic, i really dont care, u are not all holy, so don't try and be. Some new french league with poor map judgement is big news... blah blah. this should really be locked, cause its just gonna be flaming.

    I used to think flaming was done by mean ppl, now i know its just done to morons.
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  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    please ootoo let s keep this civil. 6vs6 is mostly due to logistics reasons, as it is already hard to make 6 people play dayly, i cant imagine what it will be for 8+. And mappers creativity has nothing to do with that at all.
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  • OlmyOlmy Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16142Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Developer, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond
    edited May 2004
    Ah yes, another well thought out blanket statement issued by yoda inc.

    [edit] i was reffering to your first 'well thought out' statement.
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  • oOTOooOTOo Join Date: 2003-04-11 Member: 15401Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-ssjyoda+May 10 2004, 02:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ May 10 2004, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this is a funny topic. you come in here like its tragic, i really dont care, u are not all holy, so don't try and be. Some new french league with poor map judgement is big news... blah blah. this should really be locked, cause its just gonna be flaming.

    I used to think flaming was done by mean ppl, now i know its just done to morons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your definition of flaming seems different than mine. I don't understand what you mean ?

    And, as we are speaking in a mapping forum right now, it <b>IS</b> a tragic news.

    edit : ortho
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  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    edgecrusher, im having a hard time tryin to figure out if thats an insult or compliment... its too early, i am a lil agressive.
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  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    To be honest, who CARES? So one little no-name league in a far-off country has decided not to play a few maps. 0.001% of the NS population will not play those maps. Oh no.

    It's not like these maps are dead... or even reduced in popularity in fact. There are plenty of pubs, clans, tournaments, and leagues that use them. If some 3-day-old league has decided not to play them, so what?

    Also, I agree. What is this doing in the mapping section? It has no bearing or impact on these maps, despite how important oOTOo seems to think he is.
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  • NzNexusNzNexus Join Date: 2004-02-16 Member: 26605Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-oOTOo+May 10 2004, 08:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (oOTOo @ May 10 2004, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And, as we are speaking in a mapping forum right now, it <b>IS</b> a tragic news.

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    And? how do you think you gonna help that..It is tragic for you, but you need to know this topic is tragic because this topic dont belong in this forum.

    So plz no more talk about this news. Dont be so paranoid, who cares?

    well..this belong in general discussion. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • venomusvenomus Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8951Members
    Surprised Ayumi didn't make it...
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  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    eh? why should we really care?
    I'm not french, and thusly do not give ye olde toss.
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    The thing is its like some mappers don't even care about the guidelines. Its 6v6 for matches. Flayra intended NS to be great for tournement play, yet Agora, Ayumi, Bast, and other monumental maps wonder why they are made fun of.
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  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    cwag... bast is the ORIGINAL ns map, the first. The one ns was created off of. NS was not originally all about tourny play, and it should never be. NS should be developed without tourny in mind...
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    edited May 2004
    Actually, I believe that Flayra always wanted a good balance between tournament play and public play. I don't see why he should alienate a large part of the community by disregarding it.
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  • OlmyOlmy Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16142Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Developer, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond
    <!--QuoteBegin-Guspaz+May 10 2004, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ May 10 2004, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To be honest, who CARES? So one little no-name league in a far-off country has decided not to play a few maps. 0.001% of the NS population will not play those maps. Oh no.

    It's not like these maps are dead... or even reduced in popularity in fact. There are plenty of pubs, clans, tournaments, and leagues that use them. If some 3-day-old league has decided not to play them, so what?

    Also, I agree. What is this doing in the mapping section? It has no bearing or impact on these maps, despite how important oOTOo seems to think he is. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't know why, but it really irritates me when you call france a 'far-off country'. There are a considerable amount of french servers so i can only assume there is a french player base as well.
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  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    So ns_ayumi is fit for CAL pre season but not for the french league?! lollercoaster.
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  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+May 10 2004, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ May 10 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So ns_ayumi is fit for CAL pre season but not for the french league?! lollercoaster. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ditto.
    LOLLERCOASTER.
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-ssjyoda+May 10 2004, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ May 10 2004, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cwag... bast is the ORIGINAL ns map, the first. The one ns was created off of. NS was not originally all about tourny play, and it should never be. NS should be developed without tourny in mind... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Regardless, there is no good reason why a map can't be both atmosphereic (bast) and well balanced and easy to learn (eclipse)
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  • HibameHibame Join Date: 2003-11-16 Member: 22974Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    It is there opinion to exclude the maps (I my self make very bad "fun" maps) But I do feal that this is is the wrong forum so its just asking for flames. It may spark a intresting conversation in the turrment play area about why the maps were taken off. But here in this area wil jsut cause anger
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  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    cwag, i'm already working on bast in an attempt to make it better for competitive play. Changing things around engine, MS and also potentially mucking around with the location of a few places to give it a better flow and gameplay. Catch me on irc if you want to see what i'm thinking about doing.
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  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+May 10 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ May 10 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+May 10 2004, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ May 10 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So ns_ayumi is fit for CAL pre season but not for the french league?! lollercoaster. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOLLERCOASTER. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Christ, I agree with your arguement, but use of that word makes me ashamed to be <i>associated</i> with you clowns <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited May 2004
    rofflecopter? lollerskates?
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