Witch One Is Better!

Shadowlinex · July 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">ATI Radeon X800 or ATi Radeon 9800 Pro</div> Ok well, makeing my DREAM COMPUTER SO FAR I HAVE:

OS:
Windows Xp Pro

MOBO:
ASUS "A8V Deluxe Wi-Fi" K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 939 CPU -RETAIL

PROC:
AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 3800+, 2.4 GHz, 512KB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - Retail

HARDDRIVES:
2 - Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD2500JD, OEM Drive Only

CD ROMS:
ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive w/ QuieTrack Technology, Model CRW-5232AS QuieTrack, Retail

Sony 8X DVD+/-RW Drive, Model DWU18A Black Bazel w/ Software - OEM

FLOPPY:
Alps Black 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model DF354H121F, OEM

MEMORY:
Transcend 184-Pin 1GB DDR PC-3200, Model TS128MLD64V4J - Retail

MONITER:
SAMSUNG 213T-Black 21" LCD Monitor –RETAIL

CASE:
ASPIRE Turbo Case X-Dreamer Black Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply, Model "ATXB3KLW/350W"

VIDEO CARD:
PowerColor Radeon X800 PRO Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model R42-PD3, Special Edition, Retail

Power Supply?

OK i have decided to get the better overall video card but now what kind of wattz am i looking at to run this thing, i'm more then positive that 350 isn't going to cut it. Thing of getting 650watt, but what do you think?

Money isn't an issue! Any suggestion about anything are wanted!! (for specs on items go to <a href='http://www.newegg.com' target='_blank'>www.newegg.com</a> and search for the exact name!.)

EDIT:
-Changed processor after checking Socket number and making sure it was windows compatoble
-Price change

EDIT 2:
-picked video card
-changed processor
-changed MoBo to A8V series
-need power supply
-changed mem to PC3200

Isamil · July 2004

If money isn't an issue you might want to get the X800 XT PE.
Oh, and the X in X800 stands for 10. Its the 10800 Pro, latest model. Its about twice as fast as the 9800 Pro.

BigMadSteve · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Jul 1 2004, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If money isn't an issue you might want to get the X800 XT PE.
Oh, and the X in X800 stands for 10. Its the 10800 Pro, latest model. Its about twice as fast as the 9800 Pro.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
He's right. Technically the X800 is better but I would go for the 9800 Pro and wait till the price goes down. As you said, money isn't an issue so choose what you wish.

GrayDuck · July 2004

9800 Pro stinks with NS (thats what is in my work computer)

I have a computer w/ X800 XT on order - should get here 7/14ish - I'll let you know the how THAT does

<shrugs shoulders> your choice!

iFire · July 2004

it's because what valve made halflife do.

ati_npatch is set to 1 in the console ,turn it to 0 and it should work perfectly fine.
and half life sucks with that mode on.

ooh is it blackmail or ...

Starchy · July 2004

Are you sure you can run windows on a 64 bit processor, because i'm pretty sure you can't? :o

Shadowlinex · July 2004

thanks to starchy i forgot 64 bit won't run windows, however there a some that can run windows from 64- bit

Starchy · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shadowlinex @ Jul 1 2004, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> thanks to starchy i forgot 64 bit won't run windows, however there a some that can run windows from 64- bit  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Ah ok, just had a hunch. :-)

Afr · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GrayDuck @ Jul 1 2004, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 9800 Pro stinks with NS (thats what is in my work computer)
 </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
It does ? its working fine for me.

Afr · July 2004

Not always

Epidemic · July 2004

X800 is by the far the better of them.. But, if money isnt an issue you should get 64 FX-57 athlon and a ASUS Nforce3 250 (when it comes out) mobo with dual PCI and SLI 2 Nividia 6050 platinum (works with half-life, omg ++++) 64bit processor will run both windows standard and the 64bit edition...

Also drop the ram and get 2 2gb ddr4000 ram and 2 15k (rotation thingy) 1TB harddrive..

It's gonna be soo powerful that in the end your floppy disk will end up being the bottleneck <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Hell, if money isnt an issue, do you model? If so, you could buy 4 of those computers and set up network rendering and perhaps use one as a server.. (not to mention lan party with friends) About the monitor, be sure it can support of to 20xx * 16xx with a decent refresh-rate

How many hardrives can your MOBO support? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Here's the hardrive you should have, danish site but you can still see spec:
<a href='http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=90670' target='_blank'>here</a>

Talesin · July 2004

Have to agree and disagree. Drop the RAM, you need at least PC3200 to do that thing justice.

And stick with the K8V, or possibly an A8V. But avoid the crappy nForce3... even the 250 has pitiful performance compared to the VIA K8T800 chipset.

And what the heck are you talking about, Starchy? I'm using an Ath64 right now, and it works just fine. That's one of the Ath64's strong points, as compared to the IA64 (intel's 64-bit architecture). The Ath64 is actually FASTER at 32-bit code than the AthXP. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Also, with some current (early) benchmarks, the SLI 6800s are actually still SLOWER than the X800 XTPE. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /> It's pathetic.

Epidemic · July 2004

Actually I dont have a clue, I just trew random values <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> (assuming highest is best:P ) Anyway, if you want a good advice, go the future mark page and look at the highest's scorer's rig. ...

littlewild · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Starchy @ Jul 1 2004, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Are you sure you can run windows on a 64 bit processor, because i'm pretty sure you can't? :o </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
AMD's 64-bit processors are backward compatible. It runs 32 bit applications just fine. And get RAID 0.

Epidemic · July 2004

<a href='http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/xms2.html' target='_blank'>These corsair rams looks incredible good</a>

I dont know if the dual pair means it takes up to sockets but def.. fill up your mother boards sockets with these <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Anandtech recommends a good monitor as well
<a href='http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=2100&p=6' target='_blank'>link</a>

Shadowlinex · July 2004

Thanks to everyone for the adcise, but now i need a power supply that can run this thing so throw out some hints please.

Ratonetwothreetwoone · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Replying to Witch One Is Better!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

OH NO WITCHES RUN!!!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

annnywho... i have a radeon 9600 xt works fine for me and all my games...

Shadowlinex · July 2004

Yes, witches do run, haven't you heard of Witch hunter robin, or atleast the "Burning Times"

anyway that video card is to old for me, i'm thinking in the future! Like the games HL2, Doom 3, etc.

littlewild · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shadowlinex @ Jul 1 2004, 11:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Thanks to everyone for the adcise, but now i need a power supply that can run this thing so throw out some hints please.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Antec's 430W PSU should run your rig fine.

Talesin · July 2004

Actually, the 350W PSU should be fine for that setup. ATi cards don't suck down huge amounts of power, like certain video cards which-require-two-dedicated-molex-connectors that I could name. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

And Corsair is just a name. You're mostly paying $40 extra for a shiny heatspreader, which doesn't actually do jack crap. The difference between Corsair and a no-name at this point is marginal, at best. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

panda_de_malheureux · July 2004

That's one expensive system. I'd recommend a PC half as good and a scooter.

Epidemic · July 2004

AMD64 FX Is still better than AMD 3800+ according to some benchmarks I've seen..

Sandrock · July 2004

Get a good brand PSU (Fortron/Antec) and you should be fine around 400w. Stay far away from no-name PSU's. They WILL fry your system.

NumbersNotFound · July 2004

I've had good luck with Thermaltake PSUs, too.

SDJason · July 2004

Of those two the X800 is better..

BUT it doesent support The future DX crap..

The geforce 6800 ultra Shipped TODAY...... and it does...

The dowside to the 6800 is that it needs 2 power dongles inside ur pc...... and that it most likely wont run with anything less than a 480 watt power supply

Ive done extensive research on it...

The Radeons are better in lower resolutions, and better with AA/AF stuff, which is why u usually run them at like 800/600 or 1024/768 with high AA and AF... and it looks just fine

The Geforces unleash thier power at higher resolutions and take larger framerate hits with AA/AF ...

Beyond that its just preference.... but im all nvidia all the way... gotta love high resolutions...

~Jason

rauell · July 2004

msi makes the best amd64 motherboards
check out the neo from msi
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' />

Shadowlinex · July 2004

Well i thank everyone a lot for the info. I want to thank "Little Bat" the most however for really putting in why it makes it better. That and the fact i really like the title! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

I have finalized my Comp and intend to buy soon enough.

GO ATI!!!

Scythe · July 2004

My suggestions:

Drop the $ony DVD burner and go with the latest liteon model. Much cheaper and less bogus.

From what I've heard "Sapphire" make their video cards as close as possible to the chip-makers specifications. You might consider checking if sapphire make an x800.

If you were feeling cool you could drop those HDs down a few gigs and get a third. Then RAID it up. Super-fast and crash resistant.

I've got an Antec case and it's really awesome. Seriously, it's got so much room inside and you can dismantle almost everything without a screwdriver. The rack that holds the hard-drives has got little rubber lugs at every attachment point to dampen vibration. The power supply has got two fans, one extracting over the CPU and one blowing out the back. It's got another slot in the front for a fan that blows directly though the HDs though the fan doesn't come standard. All in all it's a really awesome case. A plesure to work with and it looks damn cool.

<img src='http://itc.ua/img/ko/2003/34/antec.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

--Scythe--

Witch One Is Better!

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