<!--QuoteBegin-G.D.V.L.+Aug 13 2004, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (G.D.V.L. @ Aug 13 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is fun in winning but also on loosing a game, just fight and give the best you can. But for those who enjoy themselves only if they're winning and not loosing, i'll say them the same thing they tell us : That's just a game, play it. (well, the way you want it of course ^^ you can do F4, but i'm not going to like you, that's all) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey well let me tell you something, if you are on the enemy team and you would rather see me die over and over again by spawncamping rather than finish the game, then guess what? When I F4 I'm not going to like you as much as you're not going to like me.
If you are on my team, and you wasted all of your res on onos only to die a minute after gestating to a shotgun crew, while I was trying to play the game right the entire time, guess what? When I F4 I'm not going to like you as much as you're not going to like me.
I do enjoy losing a game when its a good game where both teams play through to the end and I don't F4 in that case. But don't expect me to stick around if half the players aren't playing the game right.
P.S. I just saw Comprox lurking about and I'd just like to thank everyone for keeping this a flame free thread. Thanks!
<!--QuoteBegin-Kouji San+Aug 12 2004, 10:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kouji San @ Aug 12 2004, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The time when F4 is acceptable during the following conditions:<ul> </li><li>When the marines are spawncamping with the majority of the team inside the last hive </li><li>Aliens are spawncamping the ips without destroying them or the rest of the base. </li><li>In the rare case when there is an alien/marine hiding somewhere in the map while he has no chance to rebuild a hive or base </li><li>When the marine team is slowly advancing towards the last hive when the aliens have no chance of winning. During this process upgrading everything, securing every last resnode to finally siege the hive. </li></ul>In short Lamequit = kick <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hes right, if the other team cant find the honor to play it right, then the first tream cant find the honor to continue.
and a team stack is no reason to quit, wait 3 mins for auto concede to kick in.
and, last but not least, when you join the game, you are expected to...<ul><li>to not be afk on that team for over 5 mins (i broke that one, ill admit it)</li><li>to play till the end (unless, see above)</li><li>and to not be a jerk (not saying anyone broke that)</li></ul>and whatever the hell happned to fight to the end? if someones hiding in the last part of the game, it takes at tops 5 mins to find and kill, all you need is SOF or motion tracking and poof! gone!
so only 3 reasonable reasons to F4, and no other, dont abandon your team, and stay in till the **** end!
EDIT didnt see your post seph... EDIT 2, naw, it just dosent seem to work out
relsan, ok for the spawncamping but only if they dont destroy the hive/IPs.
I've never seen this situation myself precisely to judge it, but if it comes that rines/aliens dont kill anything else than spawning players, then i'll consider to leave too.
but for the second reason :
<!--QuoteBegin-relsan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are on my team, and you wasted all of your res on onos only to die a minute after gestating to a shotgun crew, while I was trying to play the game right the entire time, guess what? When I F4 I'm not going to like you as much as you're not going to like me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry but sometimes you have to team up with newbies, does who even stock the res and dont morph in onos when it's required. I've faced one time this type of situation : we were 2, me and a noob that even doesn't speak english... (worse than me... hehe ^^) but we have resisted at least a good time before loosing, and i teach him how to use the right click... (in fact, he died while he was onosing at hive... damn :'( ) but well... if i've quited, this one won't have learn how to play. This is just an example, but noobs must be tolerated...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I do enjoy losing a game when its a good game where both teams play through to the end and I don't F4 in that case. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
me too
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But don't expect me to stick around if half the players aren't playing the game right.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope you run your own server... there is multiple ways to win. So if your team lose, it's because someone, maybe you too, have not seen the strategy of the opponent team, that's all. Exception : A newbie try to command and can't be ejected (2 VS 2) and doesn't understand how to log out... i F4 this time before requesting to aliens to restart the game, something that of course, they didn't.
Oh... and i'm agree with IBT and Diablo_fx. F4 next to 5 minutes of non playing ^^ (non playing only if no respawn, of course ^^)
1) Games are decided before the actual round is over, meaning that one entire team knows it's already lost but is forced to continue playing, even though there is no hope for victory. Tedium.
2) Not enough pub servers* to play on, meaning that if one pub is experiencing player-related problems like shameless stacking, newb overflow, or just isn't fun to play on anymore, there's really nowhere else to go that you haven't already been and likely abandoned previously. Anguish
So if you're playing a game where you can't win, and there's no where else to play the game, what are your options?
A: Lose, when the other team finally decides to end the round. B: Get 4~5 people on your team to press F4 so you can start a fresh match. C: Play other games and never look back D: Play other games but lurk on the forums and come back every once in a while to laugh.
"F4ing seems only as lame as the tactics used by the other team for the durration of the game."
If the marines capped, camped, teched, farmed, and generally picked their nose at a snail's pace and didn't stamp out the aliens with their ever growing arsenal then when the aliens F4 with shouts of "OMG RUSH OUR HIVE! PLEASE! END THE TORTURE!" ... then the conceeding of the round will feel sour for the marines, and a relief for the aliens.
However, if the marines Fought, clawed, and paved their path with the bodies of their foes to the last hive and began a unmovable and unshakeable assualt with the aliens saying "OMG how'd you manage to do this?!" and "I think we can't stop them" ... then the conceeding of the round will feel decent or perhaps even well-deserved to both sides, as both teams experienced a very good game, and was played with great amounts of energy and devotion.
Unfortunetly, many of the NS and CO games go the way of the former, then the latter. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Retarded_Gorge+Aug 12 2004, 10:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Retarded_Gorge @ Aug 12 2004, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sure, there are people against it but who would be against a raped nun getting an abortion? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Um, the nun?
Catholics aren't too big on the whole abortion thing, in case you didn't know.
Most of the best games I've ever played were when both teams got really into it, had to duke it out, the balance shifted several times, play continued longer than normal, nobody left, people swore, cramped up and should have used the bathroom long ago.. You get the idea. Going the distance and having a challenge that you have to work for and overcome is really sweet. After those type of rounds end everyone, even on the loosing team, says they had a blast. The game felt balanced, nobody got owned quickly and nobody was bored.
I'm kinda dismayed when I watch clan matches and they end in 15min or so because the comm made a bad PG placement or one single marine couldn't hold down a location. Even tho nobody F4s there, they don't seem willing to work for a comeback and just let whoever got the upperhand in the first 5min win.
Seems like the F4 types may like CO more and should steer clear of NS classic. Grow some skin, stick it out, work for the conversion and don't give it up.
However, disabling F4 altogether is annoying as hell, too. Sometimes I want to step out for a sec during a match, so I F4 out so I don't soak up resources and burden my team.
Unfortunately, like many things in life, the best thing to do is to simply hope people will decide not to be lame.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Aug 12 2004, 11:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Aug 12 2004, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The reason F4ing is lame is because it denies the winning team the satisfaction of finishing the game. If you've ever been on a winning marine team only to have the aliens all F4 as you march on the last hive, you know what it's like. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its like knowing you won. Stop being so selfish. You won the round, keep it at that. Do you need to do and see an action which you have done countless times before? I would rather save my fellow man the time and have him f4 and go for a new game.
So. What are the main reasons for f4ing? Lets name the two big ones:
1. The marines drag the game out FAR too long when they have the OBVIOUS advantage.
2. Spawncamping.
Solution:
1. This shows that you have an inexperienced comm. Experienced comms will know that the game is decided and will move in for the kill, unless they drag out the game on purpose (which would sooner or later warrant an eject). Find a better server.
2. Prevent it: Build ocs in the hive, don't die when you can avoid it. Or simply find a server that has a rule against spawncamping.
Personally, I'd reccomend <a href='http://www.lunixmonster.org' target='_blank'>The Lunixmonster</a>. Forgive me for this shameless plug, but hey, it fits the criteria: Several excellent comms that know how its done, Spawncamping is bannable and so is F4-ing. Add in a large regular base and plenty of strict and fair admins, and you're in for some fun gaming.
You guys all need to READ before posting because I never said Pro-F4 means to F4 as soon as you start losing the game. I'll highlight this so hopefully someone will read it.
<span style='color:green'><b> What I said was that I feel I should be able to F4 if my team is losing the game due to the fact that they refuse to communicate and work as a team, or are simply unaware of the objectives of the game and have put our entire team in a situation that we can't get out of. And that means even a situation that say a better team could get out of but this team cannot because they refuse to communicate and/or do not know enough about the game to turn it around.
Also, if the other team is dragging the game out and refusing to end the game, thats another reason to F4.
If AT LEAST my team is TRYING to communicate and play the game, I'll fight to the bitter end, even if the enemy team is dragging it out.
If AT LEAST the other team is doing their best (clawing, and snatching as some people put it) to win, I'll fight to the bitter end even if my team doesn't have a clue.
That's my stance. Please read it before posting anymore kthx.</b></span>
<!--QuoteBegin-billcat+Aug 14 2004, 01:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (billcat @ Aug 14 2004, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> denial is the first sign that you have a problem..
justification makes it worse.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How could I have a problem when I agree with you? I wouldn't F4 in the scenario you mentionned. That's why I said to read my post in the first place.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Most of the best games I've ever played were when both teams got really into it, had to duke it out, the balance shifted several times, play continued longer than normal, nobody left, people swore, cramped up and should have used the bathroom long ago.. You get the idea. Going the distance and having a challenge that you have to work for and overcome is really sweet. After those type of rounds end everyone, even on the loosing team, says they had a blast. The game felt balanced, nobody got owned quickly and nobody was bored.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm with that situation. I wouldn't F4 even if I was on the losing end. But ah well, I guess you just don't like to read <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-relsan+Aug 13 2004, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Aug 13 2004, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Um billcat, EEK, dhakbar, tom, G.D.V.L. ...
You guys all need to READ before posting because I never said Pro-F4 means to F4 as soon as you start losing the game. I'll highlight this so hopefully someone will read it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What the hell is your problem?
I never accused you of anything. YOU are the one who must learn to read.
You guys all need to READ before posting because I never said Pro-F4 means to F4 as soon as you start losing the game. I'll highlight this so hopefully someone will read it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What the hell is your problem?
I never accused you of anything. YOU are the one who must learn to read. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey man, I never said you accused me of anything. You said you hope people decide not to be lame. I don't think F4ing is lame in every case. It's not black and white, IMO.
If thats not the way you meant it please clarify. Otherwise, read my post again. No reason to get angry, if that's not what you meant just let me know.
If you read my post, I mention that F4 quits at the end of a match are pretty lame, but that disabling F4 altogether is just as lame, because there are valid reasons to leave your team but not disconnect from the server.
In other words, I think that we are in full agreement. Sorry if I overreacted... I'm entering the 13th hour of this shift and I'm sick of all the overtime. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"What I said was that I feel I should be able to F4 if my team is losing the game .."
What comes after that doesn't matter and is as I said, denial and justification. If you F4 when you are behind for any reason that's a cop out, in my view. Your reasons were lack of communication(partly your fault) and lack of education on the newbs part(you should educate them.) Being on a team means you'll always have some weaker players, make it part of your game to educate and help them.
<!--QuoteBegin-billcat+Aug 14 2004, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (billcat @ Aug 14 2004, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I heard you loud and clear:
"What I said was that I feel I should be able to F4 if my team is losing the game .."
What comes after that doesn't matter and is as I said, denial and justification. If you F4 when you are behind for any reason that's a cop out, in my view. Your reasons were lack of communication(partly your fault) and lack of education on the newbs part(you should educate them.) Being on a team means you'll always have some weaker players, make it part of your game to educate and help them.
That's just my view however... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok fine, billcat. If you wanna take one part of my statement and cut it up to mean something else I'll do the same thing to you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pro-F4 is .. the best<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh thanks for agreeing with me billcat! I knew you'd understand.
If you are not even going to bother reading my posts or understand what I'm trying to say then why bother?
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Hey well let me tell you something, if you are on the enemy team and you would rather see me die over and over again by spawncamping rather than finish the game, then guess what? When I F4 I'm not going to like you as much as you're not going to like me.
If you are on my team, and you wasted all of your res on onos only to die a minute after gestating to a shotgun crew, while I was trying to play the game right the entire time, guess what? When I F4 I'm not going to like you as much as you're not going to like me.
I do enjoy losing a game when its a good game where both teams play through to the end and I don't F4 in that case. But don't expect me to stick around if half the players aren't playing the game right.
P.S. I just saw Comprox lurking about and I'd just like to thank everyone for keeping this a flame free thread. Thanks!
</li><li>When the marines are spawncamping with the majority of the team inside the last hive
</li><li>Aliens are spawncamping the ips without destroying them or the rest of the base.
</li><li>In the rare case when there is an alien/marine hiding somewhere in the map while he has no chance to rebuild a hive or base
</li><li>When the marine team is slowly advancing towards the last hive when the aliens have no chance of winning. During this process upgrading everything, securing every last resnode to finally siege the hive.
</li></ul>In short Lamequit = kick <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hes right, if the other team cant find the honor to play it right, then the first tream cant find the honor to continue.
and a team stack is no reason to quit, wait 3 mins for auto concede to kick in.
and, last but not least, when you join the game, you are expected to...<ul><li>to not be afk on that team for over 5 mins (i broke that one, ill admit it)</li><li>to play till the end (unless, see above)</li><li>and to not be a jerk (not saying anyone broke that)</li></ul>and whatever the hell happned to fight to the end? if someones hiding in the last part of the game, it takes at tops 5 mins to find and kill, all you need is SOF or motion tracking and poof! gone!
so only 3 reasonable reasons to F4, and no other, dont abandon your team, and stay in till the **** end!
EDIT didnt see your post seph...
EDIT 2, naw, it just dosent seem to work out
I've never seen this situation myself precisely to judge it, but if it comes that rines/aliens dont kill anything else than spawning players, then i'll consider to leave too.
but for the second reason :
<!--QuoteBegin-relsan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are on my team, and you wasted all of your res on onos only to die a minute after gestating to a shotgun crew, while I was trying to play the game right the entire time, guess what? When I F4 I'm not going to like you as much as you're not going to like me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry but sometimes you have to team up with newbies, does who even stock the res and dont morph in onos when it's required. I've faced one time this type of situation : we were 2, me and a noob that even doesn't speak english... (worse than me... hehe ^^) but we have resisted at least a good time before loosing, and i teach him how to use the right click... (in fact, he died while he was onosing at hive... damn :'( ) but well... if i've quited, this one won't have learn how to play. This is just an example, but noobs must be tolerated...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I do enjoy losing a game when its a good game where both teams play through to the end and I don't F4 in that case. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
me too
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But don't expect me to stick around if half the players aren't playing the game right.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope you run your own server... there is multiple ways to win. So if your team lose, it's because someone, maybe you too, have not seen the strategy of the opponent team, that's all. Exception : A newbie try to command and can't be ejected (2 VS 2) and doesn't understand how to log out... i F4 this time before requesting to aliens to restart the game, something that of course, they didn't.
Oh... and i'm agree with IBT and Diablo_fx. F4 next to 5 minutes of non playing ^^ (non playing only if no respawn, of course ^^)
1) Games are decided before the actual round is over, meaning that one entire team knows it's already lost but is forced to continue playing, even though there is no hope for victory. Tedium.
2) Not enough pub servers* to play on, meaning that if one pub is experiencing player-related problems like shameless stacking, newb overflow, or just isn't fun to play on anymore, there's really nowhere else to go that you haven't already been and likely abandoned previously. Anguish
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>*12~18 players, ping <50, NS map</span>
So if you're playing a game where you can't win, and there's no where else to play the game, what are your options?
A: Lose, when the other team finally decides to end the round.
B: Get 4~5 people on your team to press F4 so you can start a fresh match.
C: Play other games and never look back
D: Play other games but lurk on the forums and come back every once in a while to laugh.
E: Play the game regardless of a win or a loss, and enjoy playing.
If the marines capped, camped, teched, farmed, and generally picked their nose at a snail's pace and didn't stamp out the aliens with their ever growing arsenal then when the aliens F4 with shouts of "OMG RUSH OUR HIVE! PLEASE! END THE TORTURE!" ... then the conceeding of the round will feel sour for the marines, and a relief for the aliens.
However, if the marines Fought, clawed, and paved their path with the bodies of their foes to the last hive and began a unmovable and unshakeable assualt with the aliens saying "OMG how'd you manage to do this?!" and "I think we can't stop them" ... then the conceeding of the round will feel decent or perhaps even well-deserved to both sides, as both teams experienced a very good game, and was played with great amounts of energy and devotion.
Unfortunetly, many of the NS and CO games go the way of the former, then the latter. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Um, the nun?
Catholics aren't too big on the whole abortion thing, in case you didn't know.
Not like I care. F4 is a ban on my server.
Most of the best games I've ever played were when both teams got really into it, had to duke it out, the balance shifted several times, play continued longer than normal, nobody left, people swore, cramped up and should have used the bathroom long ago.. You get the idea. Going the distance and having a challenge that you have to work for and overcome is really sweet. After those type of rounds end everyone, even on the loosing team, says they had a blast. The game felt balanced, nobody got owned quickly and nobody was bored.
I'm kinda dismayed when I watch clan matches and they end in 15min or so because the comm made a bad PG placement or one single marine couldn't hold down a location. Even tho nobody F4s there, they don't seem willing to work for a comeback and just let whoever got the upperhand in the first 5min win.
Seems like the F4 types may like CO more and should steer clear of NS classic. Grow some skin, stick it out, work for the conversion and don't give it up.
I don't see an 'i win' button.
However, disabling F4 altogether is annoying as hell, too. Sometimes I want to step out for a sec during a match, so I F4 out so I don't soak up resources and burden my team.
Unfortunately, like many things in life, the best thing to do is to simply hope people will decide not to be lame.
Its like knowing you won. Stop being so selfish. You won the round, keep it at that. Do you need to do and see an action which you have done countless times before? I would rather save my fellow man the time and have him f4 and go for a new game.
This "suck it up" ideals are not acceptable.
1. The marines drag the game out FAR too long when they have the OBVIOUS advantage.
2. Spawncamping.
Solution:
1. This shows that you have an inexperienced comm. Experienced comms will know that the game is decided and will move in for the kill, unless they drag out the game on purpose (which would sooner or later warrant an eject). Find a better server.
2. Prevent it: Build ocs in the hive, don't die when you can avoid it. Or simply find a server that has a rule against spawncamping.
Personally, I'd reccomend <a href='http://www.lunixmonster.org' target='_blank'>The Lunixmonster</a>. Forgive me for this shameless plug, but hey, it fits the criteria: Several excellent comms that know how its done, Spawncamping is bannable and so is F4-ing. Add in a large regular base and plenty of strict and fair admins, and you're in for some fun gaming.
You guys all need to READ before posting because I never said Pro-F4 means to F4 as soon as you start losing the game. I'll highlight this so hopefully someone will read it.
<span style='color:green'><b>
What I said was that I feel I should be able to F4 if my team is losing the game due to the fact that they refuse to communicate and work as a team, or are simply unaware of the objectives of the game and have put our entire team in a situation that we can't get out of. And that means even a situation that say a better team could get out of but this team cannot because they refuse to communicate and/or do not know enough about the game to turn it around.
Also, if the other team is dragging the game out and refusing to end the game, thats another reason to F4.
If AT LEAST my team is TRYING to communicate and play the game, I'll fight to the bitter end, even if the enemy team is dragging it out.
If AT LEAST the other team is doing their best (clawing, and snatching as some people put it) to win, I'll fight to the bitter end even if my team doesn't have a clue.
That's my stance. Please read it before posting anymore kthx.</b></span>
F4ing because of lame situations is not lame... minus times minus is plus... otherwise yes...
justification makes it worse..
justification makes it worse.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How could I have a problem when I agree with you? I wouldn't F4 in the scenario you mentionned. That's why I said to read my post in the first place.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Most of the best games I've ever played were when both teams got really into it, had to duke it out, the balance shifted several times, play continued longer than normal, nobody left, people swore, cramped up and should have used the bathroom long ago.. You get the idea. Going the distance and having a challenge that you have to work for and overcome is really sweet. After those type of rounds end everyone, even on the loosing team, says they had a blast. The game felt balanced, nobody got owned quickly and nobody was bored.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm with that situation. I wouldn't F4 even if I was on the losing end. But ah well, I guess you just don't like to read <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You guys all need to READ before posting because I never said Pro-F4 means to F4 as soon as you start losing the game. I'll highlight this so hopefully someone will read it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell is your problem?
I never accused you of anything. YOU are the one who must learn to read.
You guys all need to READ before posting because I never said Pro-F4 means to F4 as soon as you start losing the game. I'll highlight this so hopefully someone will read it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell is your problem?
I never accused you of anything. YOU are the one who must learn to read. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey man, I never said you accused me of anything. You said you hope people decide not to be lame. I don't think F4ing is lame in every case. It's not black and white, IMO.
If thats not the way you meant it please clarify. Otherwise, read my post again. No reason to get angry, if that's not what you meant just let me know.
If you read my post, I mention that F4 quits at the end of a match are pretty lame, but that disabling F4 altogether is just as lame, because there are valid reasons to leave your team but not disconnect from the server.
In other words, I think that we are in full agreement. Sorry if I overreacted... I'm entering the 13th hour of this shift and I'm sick of all the overtime. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"What I said was that I feel I should be able to F4 if my team is losing the game .."
What comes after that doesn't matter and is as I said, denial and justification. If you F4 when you are behind for any reason that's a cop out, in my view. Your reasons were lack of communication(partly your fault) and lack of education on the newbs part(you should educate them.) Being on a team means you'll always have some weaker players, make it part of your game to educate and help them.
That's just my view however...
"What I said was that I feel I should be able to F4 if my team is losing the game .."
What comes after that doesn't matter and is as I said, denial and justification. If you F4 when you are behind for any reason that's a cop out, in my view. Your reasons were lack of communication(partly your fault) and lack of education on the newbs part(you should educate them.) Being on a team means you'll always have some weaker players, make it part of your game to educate and help them.
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Ok fine, billcat. If you wanna take one part of my statement and cut it up to mean something else I'll do the same thing to you.
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Oh thanks for agreeing with me billcat! I knew you'd understand.
If you are not even going to bother reading my posts or understand what I'm trying to say then why bother?