<!--QuoteBegin--Alpha-+Sep 22 2004, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Alpha- @ Sep 22 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> noob = ignorant player who doesn't know nor is willing to understand newbie = player who doesn't know but wants to learn
go a head help all the noobs you want. Ill just teach the newbies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought n00b = newbie. My bad.
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Sep 22 2004, 01:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Sep 22 2004, 01:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-agentx5+Sep 22 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (agentx5 @ Sep 22 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "get get get get get over it! Hey! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Should be your motto.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LoL. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Well in reference to the silly subjects about whether scripting or bhoping, etc. are bad then yes. It's my consistent reply to all of them is to sing that song.
But of course then I got some arrogant idiot who thought he could tell me to shut the hell up. But he choose the wrong person to try to order arround. *evil grin*
<!--QuoteBegin-agentx5+Sep 22 2004, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (agentx5 @ Sep 22 2004, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Alpha-+Sep 22 2004, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Alpha- @ Sep 22 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> noob = ignorant player who doesn't know nor is willing to understand newbie = player who doesn't know but wants to learn
go a head help all the noobs you want. Ill just teach the newbies. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought n00b = newbie. My bad.
Yes then I mean newbies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In a way it does but one is willing to learn the other is not.
<!--QuoteBegin--Alpha-+Sep 22 2004, 05:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Alpha- @ Sep 22 2004, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In a way it does but one is willing to learn the other is not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hmm. Well then I guess can add this to the things I learned today.
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Back on topic...
here's what my stnace on this thread was for you people who don't want to have to read though the whole thing: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81373&st=64' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...pic=81373&st=64</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-moomin.+Sep 22 2004, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Sep 22 2004, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> newbies play like this, but n00bs play like <i>this</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That made absolutly no sense and in a few days I may add this to my signature quote of the week.
<!--QuoteBegin-gopher+Sep 21 2004, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gopher @ Sep 21 2004, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Go play cs if you want pseudo realism! </3 :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And many people do. If NS can get HALF the popularity of CS, it will be doing quite well. Rather than disdaining CS, it might be a useful exercise to look at WHY it is so popular and learn some important lessons from it.
Bunny hopping is a simple skill to pick up for anyone. Why don't we just cut out blink/swipe and leap/bite while we are at it because it takes some amount of skill to do those properly too. I mean being able to get close to a marine to bite him is so cheating, and you should just all have to get cloaking and sit in the middle of a hall and wait for them. That's what all the pro players do.
Thank you for brining an entertaining end to a boring day. Hell, I thought *I* could be arrogant. MAN. The irony of accusing someone of having no intelligence or not listening... :\
a) For my opinion, see a civilian's post. b) Dish Forlorn, fear the rath. c) Absolute lol-age at everything Cindarian says. Ever. From 1st post onwards. d) Post before lock. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> --
I feel bad posting without adding to the discussion, however it's already been discussed beyond the realms of sensible arguement, so I'll end here.
And many people do. If NS can get HALF the popularity of CS, it will be doing quite well. Rather than disdaining CS, it might be a useful exercise to look at WHY it is so popular and learn some important lessons from it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Probably has to do with the fact that CS has been out in retail form for years, and has had it's time as an unofficial mod to gain a playerbase as well. It has easy gameplay you can jump into, and alot of folks who play it don't even bother to look at other mods (This is just from my own experiences with CS players). NS, on the other hand, has not only been out for less than two years, it happens to have a more unique blend of FPS/RTS gameplay, which is a niche in itself. Is it more satisfying due to it's semi-complex gameplay? To me, yes. The whole learning curve bit is already obvious, and keeps new folks either leaving, or sticking to CO. Naturally, I'd rather the mod didn't sell itself out for cheap easy user gains, leaving it's origins behind, so I'm not going to jump on the "A vastly larger userbase is always better" bandwagon.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cindarian+Sep 22 2004, 03:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cindarian @ Sep 22 2004, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Because we ALL know that compedative gameplay would be better if everyone had the same skill levels <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I won't insult your intelligence by pointing out your poor spelling, but if your reading is any better than your spelling, you'd see I mentioned there's a difference on knowing how to play the actual game, you know, biting, leaping, shooting, killing, collecting resources. Then there's the skill of how well you know how to exploit the engine, which doesn't have a place in the way NS should be.
I'm not saying people should be as skilled as the next, but people don't seem to get the fact that playing the game, and exploiting the game are seperate things, people are legit would still be able to kill new people, but not in unfair ways. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait wait wait... You just said <i>collecting resources</i> is a skill? And you also insulted someone's spelling?
i dislike anything that can only happen because of quirks in a videogame. the movement physics of everything in NS is pretty much a huge mess and Valve is mostly to blame.
<!--QuoteBegin-ViPr+Sep 22 2004, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Sep 22 2004, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the movement physics of everything in NS is pretty much a huge mess and Valve is mostly to blame.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. Because Valve completely altered the physics of the engine after NS was created.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flayra -- Posted on: Apr 17 2002, 09:47 AM
Unlike in most other online games, I think bunny hopping is actually "in character" for the aliens, so I don't see it being bad, but good.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
omg leave bhop alone, it was so discussed mya ago and we came to a conclusion already. If you guy keep saying remove bhop, why not remove flying, it is part of somewhat low grav and no clip
<!--QuoteBegin-[mahn+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([mahn)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->sawce,Sep 23 2004, 02:59 AM] <!--QuoteBegin-ViPr+Sep 22 2004, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Sep 22 2004, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the movement physics of everything in NS is pretty much a huge mess and Valve is mostly to blame.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. Because Valve completely altered the physics of the engine after NS was created. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> what are you talking about!? the physics in NS that are screwed up are what is left over from half-life 1 and those physics are basically left over from quake so id software deserves some blame also.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unlike in most other online games, I think bunny hopping is actually "in character" for the aliens, so I don't see it being bad, but good.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kindly explain how a 60 ton elephant sized creature bouncing along is "in character".
Also explain how a resource stuffed creature with small legs and a massive gut bounding like a gazelle is "in character".
this game needs laser cannons. why? because they are in character. hahaha. and dont give me any of that "gritty futuristic feel" bs, come on we have nanites and jetpacks why not laser cannons?
of course u can always remove bhopping from onos i guess? but at least make it faster then.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+Sep 23 2004, 03:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Sep 23 2004, 03:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unlike in most other online games, I think bunny hopping is actually "in character" for the aliens, so I don't see it being bad, but good.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kindly explain how a 60 ton elephant sized creature bouncing along is "in character".
Also explain how a resource stuffed creature with small legs and a massive gut bounding like a gazelle is "in character". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Flayra is the creator of this game. He defines what characteristics he wants the units in his game to have. You don't. Accept it.
Why do people complain about bunnyhopping? It's not difficult to learn, it still takes skill. The only "iffy" part of it is using scripts, but it's nigh impossible to bunnyhop without them unless you have a constant 100 fps and 0 ping.
As for realism, the onos can jump too. When have you ever seen an elephant jump?
<!--QuoteBegin-Raistlin666+Sep 22 2004, 09:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raistlin666 @ Sep 22 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is the dumbest thing i´ve ever heard. So only because i don´t know how to bhop (because i don´t want to) i am not a good Player ?
Lets get on a server of your choice and then i show you how bad you are with your bhopping <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to dissapoint you, but you are not a good alien player.
<!--QuoteBegin-HeWhoSeeksDreams+Sep 23 2004, 01:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HeWhoSeeksDreams @ Sep 23 2004, 01:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And many people do. If NS can get HALF the popularity of CS, it will be doing quite well. Rather than disdaining CS, it might be a useful exercise to look at WHY it is so popular and learn some important lessons from it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Please, for the love of god, don't compare CS to NS. NS will never ever develop in this direction, it will always be "unrealistic", which is what many like.
a) Alien bunnyhopping is intentionally left in the game. In case you didn't know, I'm NS' Producer, so this counts as dev statement. Bhop is here to stay. The game is balanced around it.
b) Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, the way some of you presented your arguments made my mouse jerk towards the Admin CP. Nagagast, one more post beginning with 'rofl', and you'll have a week to contemplate my complete lack of humor.
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newbie = player who doesn't know but wants to learn
go a head help all the noobs you want. Ill just teach the newbies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought n00b = newbie. My bad.
Yes then I mean newbies.
Should be your motto.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LoL. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Well in reference to the silly subjects about whether scripting or bhoping, etc. are bad then yes. It's my consistent reply to all of them is to sing that song.
But of course then I got some arrogant idiot who thought he could tell me to shut the hell up. But he choose the wrong person to try to order arround. *evil grin*
newbie = player who doesn't know but wants to learn
go a head help all the noobs you want. Ill just teach the newbies. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought n00b = newbie. My bad.
Yes then I mean newbies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In a way it does but one is willing to learn the other is not.
Hmm. Well then I guess can add this to the things I learned today.
~edit~
Back on topic...
here's what my stnace on this thread was for you people who don't want to have to read though the whole thing:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81373&st=64' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...pic=81373&st=64</a>
That made absolutly no sense and in a few days I may add this to my signature quote of the week.
without the realism kthx
And many people do. If NS can get HALF the popularity of CS, it will be doing quite well. Rather than disdaining CS, it might be a useful exercise to look at WHY it is so popular and learn some important lessons from it.
Flayra in my opinion made a bad decision and listened to the wrong group of players while working on 2.0 fine. It's done.
I gurantee you there is absolutely 0.0000000000 chance of Flayra letting it be removed now.
Bunny hopping is a simple skill to pick up for anyone. Why don't we just cut out blink/swipe and leap/bite while we are at it because it takes some amount of skill to do those properly too. I mean being able to get close to a marine to bite him is so cheating, and you should just all have to get cloaking and sit in the middle of a hall and wait for them. That's what all the pro players do.
Golden-Locked-thread-to-be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thank you for brining an entertaining end to a boring day. Hell, I thought *I* could be arrogant. MAN. The irony of accusing someone of having no intelligence or not listening... :\
a) For my opinion, see a civilian's post.
b) Dish Forlorn, fear the rath.
c) Absolute lol-age at everything Cindarian says. Ever. From 1st post onwards.
d) Post before lock. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I feel bad posting without adding to the discussion, however it's already been discussed beyond the realms of sensible arguement, so I'll end here.
And many people do. If NS can get HALF the popularity of CS, it will be doing quite well. Rather than disdaining CS, it might be a useful exercise to look at WHY it is so popular and learn some important lessons from it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably has to do with the fact that CS has been out in retail form for years, and has had it's time as an unofficial mod to gain a playerbase as well. It has easy gameplay you can jump into, and alot of folks who play it don't even bother to look at other mods (This is just from my own experiences with CS players). NS, on the other hand, has not only been out for less than two years, it happens to have a more unique blend of FPS/RTS gameplay, which is a niche in itself. Is it more satisfying due to it's semi-complex gameplay? To me, yes. The whole learning curve bit is already obvious, and keeps new folks either leaving, or sticking to CO. Naturally, I'd rather the mod didn't sell itself out for cheap easy user gains, leaving it's origins behind, so I'm not going to jump on the "A vastly larger userbase is always better" bandwagon.
I won't insult your intelligence by pointing out your poor spelling, but if your reading is any better than your spelling, you'd see I mentioned there's a difference on knowing how to play the actual game, you know, biting, leaping, shooting, killing, collecting resources. Then there's the skill of how well you know how to exploit the engine, which doesn't have a place in the way NS should be.
I'm not saying people should be as skilled as the next, but people don't seem to get the fact that playing the game, and exploiting the game are seperate things, people are legit would still be able to kill new people, but not in unfair ways. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait wait wait... You just said <i>collecting resources</i> is a skill? And you also insulted someone's spelling?
Wow
i understand
Exactly. Because Valve completely altered the physics of the engine after NS was created.
Unlike in most other online games, I think bunny hopping is actually "in character" for the aliens, so I don't see it being bad, but good.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. Because Valve completely altered the physics of the engine after NS was created. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what are you talking about!? the physics in NS that are screwed up are what is left over from half-life 1 and those physics are basically left over from quake so id software deserves some blame also.
Unlike in most other online games, I think bunny hopping is actually "in character" for the aliens, so I don't see it being bad, but good.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kindly explain how a 60 ton elephant sized creature bouncing along is "in character".
Also explain how a resource stuffed creature with small legs and a massive gut bounding like a gazelle is "in character".
of course u can always remove bhopping from onos i guess? but at least make it faster then.
Unlike in most other online games, I think bunny hopping is actually "in character" for the aliens, so I don't see it being bad, but good.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kindly explain how a 60 ton elephant sized creature bouncing along is "in character".
Also explain how a resource stuffed creature with small legs and a massive gut bounding like a gazelle is "in character". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flayra is the creator of this game. He defines what characteristics he wants the units in his game to have. You don't. Accept it.
As for realism, the onos can jump too. When have you ever seen an elephant jump?
So only because i don´t know how to bhop (because i don´t want to) i am not a good Player ?
Lets get on a server of your choice and then i show you how bad you are with your bhopping <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry to dissapoint you, but you are not a good alien player.
Please, for the love of god, don't compare CS to NS. NS will never ever develop in this direction, it will always be "unrealistic", which is what many like.
<!--QuoteBegin-Salvation+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salvation)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->without the realism kthx<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's why I put <i>pseudo</i> in front of it.
Two points:
a) Alien bunnyhopping is intentionally left in the game. In case you didn't know, I'm NS' Producer, so this counts as dev statement. Bhop is here to stay. The game is balanced around it.
b) Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, the way some of you presented your arguments made my mouse jerk towards the Admin CP. Nagagast, one more post beginning with 'rofl', and you'll have a week to contemplate my complete lack of humor.