Bunnyhjoping With The Mousewheel
coris
Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">taken from another thread..</div> Well, since Im still looking for an answer to this ill post it here..
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Forlorn @ Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM)
QUOTE (coris @ Oct 1 2004, 05:11 PM)
Well, Ive bunnyhoped for a long time with a 3jumpscript, but since the devteam fixed blockscript every nubclan enforces it to be on, so I thought Id use the mousewheel instead, and imo its much harder.. I can bhop perfectly with the mousewheel on my listenserver, but on the internet i just wont time the jumps as perfectly. This only applies to skulking though, it works great for onos/fade/gorge/marine/in the rr.
Can any mwheelbhoper give me tips? How do you do it? Do you go down, up, down, up etc or just down, down / up, up?
What finger do you use?
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Help much appriciated.
A lot depends on your mousewheel, some are smoother and therefore spam commands much faster than others
Does anyone know how if the IntelliMouseExplorer 3.0 spams it fast or slow?
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Help much appriciated <3
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Forlorn @ Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM)
QUOTE (coris @ Oct 1 2004, 05:11 PM)
Well, Ive bunnyhoped for a long time with a 3jumpscript, but since the devteam fixed blockscript every nubclan enforces it to be on, so I thought Id use the mousewheel instead, and imo its much harder.. I can bhop perfectly with the mousewheel on my listenserver, but on the internet i just wont time the jumps as perfectly. This only applies to skulking though, it works great for onos/fade/gorge/marine/in the rr.
Can any mwheelbhoper give me tips? How do you do it? Do you go down, up, down, up etc or just down, down / up, up?
What finger do you use?
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Help much appriciated.
A lot depends on your mousewheel, some are smoother and therefore spam commands much faster than others
Does anyone know how if the IntelliMouseExplorer 3.0 spams it fast or slow?
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Help much appriciated <3
Comments
Just hold crouch and it will be like bhopping with anything else.
I've never noticed any difference when changing that windows setting.
The way my mouse is set up (its the Logitech MX1000.. mmmm purty), I bound +jump to my MWHEELDOWN, so yes, when I scroll down I jump. However, being this mouse has a button RIGHT below the scroll wheel, that, when held down, effectively sends the PC a "scroll down" command over and over until let go, there's my bunny hop.
No scripts, just mouse cheatzors <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
mine does this... I could never bhop when I used mwheel, it was just hard, but with a 3jump it was alot easier... I always wondered how people could bhop with mwheel, because when I try, sometimes I would just totally miss jumps for a few seconds, is it because of the fact that the mwheel happens to be the kind that tics rather than just rolls?
Using a (red) MX510. But my regular plain Logitech worked fine before that.
Middle finger for wheeling, index on mouse1. I use the very tip of my finger.
The trick as far as I've found is to roll it as you're coming down. I can bhop on any server almost regardless of ping, so it seems to work for me. Your milage may vary. I also have long fingers. Really long fingers.
My mouse has a scrolldown button too, not just the wheel. I need to use that one application that lets you reprogram ALL the buttons on your mouse, not just the ones they let you.
My mouse ticks. The ticks are the way the mouse tells you how many times you're "hitting" the wheel. If your mouse doesn't have ticks, I wonder what the heck happened to it, cuz that's not normal I don't think.
Ill try the windows setting and then practice more..
Can someone with a MSI 3.0 comment if they can bhop with the mousewheel? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(<3 narcissistic me)
Anyway, I like the 3.0 scroll wheel. It's very smooth and scrolls quickly. You could
mess with the settings to make it so every turn of the wheel does three clicks
instead of one if you're having problems. Can't remember exactly where you'd
find it, but just look around inside the MSI mouse settings thingie and it shouldn't
be too hard to find.
Indeed.
Then I dont think we have the same mousewheel..
Ill try and update the drivers for it and see if i find any differences.
Nope then we dont have the same mousehweel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I practiced some tonight, and I came to the conclusion that on low ping servers i can bhop perfectly with the mousewheel, but on servers where i get ping like 90 it gets a lot harder <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Indeed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thirded. My mouse has ticks few and far between, plus I'm used to using my index finger for scrolling.
You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well.
You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Because block<i>scripts</i> should block <i>binds</i>. Makes so much sense when you think about it.
You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, the should implent autojump/3jumpscript/quakestyle jumping since bunnyhoping is a feature in ns. Flayra said it himself, and so did Nem0 so stop freaking crying about it you pub all-star.
You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Because block<i>scripts</i> should block <i>binds</i>. Makes so much sense when you think about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, they were the ones complaining about mwheel being unfair. Block that, and all the unfairness is gone -- everybody has to rely on actual skill to bhop, not the ability to alter config files (which can't be done by some, such as those in internet cafes) or the quality of their mouse.
Coris: Cyring about bhop? Point out where I said to get rid of it in this thread.
Show me a demo of you bunnyhopping with nothing but +jump bound to a key like spacebar, please.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80042&hl=' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...topic=80042&hl=</a>
You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Because block<i>scripts</i> should block <i>binds</i>. Makes so much sense when you think about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, they were the ones complaining about mwheel being unfair. Block that, and all the unfairness is gone -- everybody has to rely on actual skill to bhop, not the ability to alter config files (which can't be done by some, such as those in internet cafes) or the quality of their mouse.
Coris: Cyring about bhop? Point out where I said to get rid of it in this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hereby assume that you are an idiot and that your opinion wont matter.
Dont come crying about timing skills for bunnyhoping.
I wont listen to that unless you can show me that you bhop only using spacebar bound to +jump and can max the speed as a skulk. If you cant then I dont care about your opinoin. Call me arrogant or elitist or whatever but to be honst, if you dont realize that you NEED a script or a mousewheel to max out the speed when bhoping (which plays an extremly large factor when playing cometativly) then I think you should try to learn bhoping without a script/mousewheel <b>on an internet server</b> since ping / lag will totally screw you over.
You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Because block<i>scripts</i> should block <i>binds</i>. Makes so much sense when you think about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, they were the ones complaining about mwheel being unfair. Block that, and all the unfairness is gone -- everybody has to rely on actual skill to bhop, not the ability to alter config files (which can't be done by some, such as those in internet cafes) or the quality of their mouse.
Coris: Cyring about bhop? Point out where I said to get rid of it in this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone told me to flame you, but I'm too drunk to understand why.
So...
OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL U R TEH NUB
I'll be up front with you.. I can't.
Well.. I can slightly. I tried practicing with a gorge for a while but I tend to wind up bhopping backwards. I can get up some good butt-ramming speed though. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
However, that's entirely my point. I don't think many others can either. So.. now we come to the crux. Is it fair that using a feature of the game requires you to be able to script or have a certain type of hardware? Neither of which provides any indication of skill in the game? I don't think so.
Your autojump suggestion is a reasonable one as well. I don't care how the playfield is levelled, I just want it levelled in such a way that a person can sit down with a vanilla install of NS and at least have the opportunity to access all the features of it without ever having to go outside the game to do so. How is that such a bad thing?
(I'll skip my standard complaint of the unintuitive nature of it.. that applies to so many different kinds of movement in NS it's silly.)
Not everyone can have a good mouse with a fancy mousewheel.
<a href='http://www.othell.com/bhop' target='_blank'>http://www.othell.com/bhop</a>
Anyway, I still cant nail it down. I blame my mouse. I guess Ill just use a 3jumpscript until I get my new, super-fance MX510 blue <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> *drools*
EDIT: I also forgot to add that the biggest skill in bunnyhoping is NOT the timing, its the movement and gliding (circular strafejumping) and how you can use your bunnyhoping to dodge bullets and find escape ways.