Calling All Obsessive Gamers

GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
edited October 2004 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Need your help compiling info</div> As a result of a discussion in the PT forums I've been wondering just how prevalent the use of the red cross is in games. (i.e. a red cross with arms of equal length on a white background).

Now I know that TFC and Starcraft use it and NS does at the moment, but there are hundreds of other games I must have played in my time that also use the symbol.

I'd appreciate it if you can list examples (with screenshots) of games that employ the red cross as part of their artwork.

I may come up with some random prize for the person who comes up with the most examples. I may not.

Comments

  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Being a rampant PS fanboi I'm going to leave the more obvious ones to others and just add a mention to planetside, which has a red cross displayed on the medkits (although strangely enough not in the medical bay).

    Will edit later with screenie, on uni computer right now.
  • Captain_SparkyCaptain_Sparky Join Date: 2004-07-25 Member: 30126Members
    edited October 2004
    You seem upset about this. Or are you just doing some simple researching?
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    It may be mis-used if you use it by its traditional meaning but if pretty much every gamer looks at that symbol and thinks "Ah, medicine!" then that, for all intents and purposes, is what the symbol now means.

    The meanings for symbols change, just look at the swastika, show that pretty much anywhere and it will be taken as a negative symbol but there is a reason why that symbol was chosen in the first place.
  • Leaderz0rzLeaderz0rz Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7847Members
    well i can't show you screenshots but i can give you a list of games i know have the red cross



    Chronicals of redik on the med device.
    doom 3 med pack
    HL Medpack/med device
    Call of Duty Medic soldier
    Battlefield 1942/Vietnam medic pack
    Medal of Honor: med pack
    Halo med pack
    Command and Conquer Generals, medic and uses cross symbols to symbolize ficing or healing a unit
    AVP 1 and 2 med packs
    Unreal Tournament uses blue crosses
    Return to Castle wolfenstien med pack
    Splinter Cell med device
    Max Payne1/2 the med cabinet
    Delta Force med pack
    Worms 1 through whatever uses red cross for health item
  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    It's a common image for medical treatment, it isn't overused don't worry about it. It is not misleading and it isn't confusing, everyone knows what it means. You don't need to make it more original because it will then become those things I mentioned. (not to everyone but a lot of people.)
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    There's a distinction here between a red cross and a <i>red cross on a white background</i>.

    I'm looking for examples of the latter.
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Lt.Sparky(fire)+Oct 21 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Sparky(fire) @ Oct 21 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You seem upset about this.  Or are you just doing some simple researching? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    answer this, please.

    <a href='http://www.half-life2.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.half-life2.com/</a> scroll down a bit, and you have an example of it in hl2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Oct 21 2004, 03:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Oct 21 2004, 03:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Lt.Sparky(fire)+Oct 21 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Sparky(fire) @ Oct 21 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You seem upset about this.  Or are you just doing some simple researching? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    answer this, please.

    <a href='http://www.half-life2.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.half-life2.com/</a> scroll down a bit, and you have an example of it in hl2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    [edit] on the shooting guys chest, I see it now, gees that one is hard...
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    half-life sp <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    edited October 2004
    I googled for the origin of the red cross/white background symbol:

    <a href='http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0860655.html' target='_blank'>http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0860655.html</a>

    What does this have to do with games btw?
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    I'm not upset, merely trying to gather some information as to how widespread the usage of it is, since technically the Red Cross is a protected symbol.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Oct 22 2004, 02:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Oct 22 2004, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not upset, merely trying to gather some information as to how widespread the usage of it is, since technically the Red Cross is a protected symbol. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So you got in an argument with someone over weather or not it is supposed to be used in games and now we are proving that one way or another it definately is, repeditively... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    Does the geneva convention extend to computer games though?

    I thought it was more for ya know.. wars and stuff. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    It's just universally appreciated and understood. Maybe the first people who used it, used it in a sci-fi context, and reasoned that the Red Cross may at some time develop medical kits that can heal whoever finds them, and put the symbol on it as both a plot context and as a generic symbol to signify what it means. From those beginnings, it has sort of become universally accepted as the sign for "heal yourself here". Many things are unfactual in their origins and meaning to be easier for the gamer/user to understand their purpose. The M4a1 in counterstrike simply became known as the Colt in the community. That's not developer side as such, but it's certainly a valid example.
  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe the first people who used it, used it in a sci-fi context, and reasoned that the Red Cross may at some time develop medical kits that can heal whoever finds them, and put the symbol on it as both a plot context and as a generic symbol to signify what it means<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Theres no back story, its just a health pack for crying out loud!

    Its universally recognised and only requires 25 pixels to render in a game, simple as that.
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Sigh.

    Usage of the Red Cross in any other context other than approved by the Red Cross under the articles of the Geneva Convention is illegal. It's not a point to debate. You can either:

    a) Google it.

    b) Go to a library.

    c) Read the Geneva Convention and associated articles.

    d) Contact your local Red Cross branch, who will confirm it for you.

    I wasn't trying to make any point or cause a fuss, but simply see:

    1) How widespread it was,

    2) How much of my "remembering" of its use was actually true. Since it is widely used, it is easy to falsely remember it being used in a game, then look back and find out that it was actually a red cross on a green background or a white cross on a red background that was used.
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    edited October 2004
    <a href='http://www.flameservers.com/tfc-customize%5Cmodels%5Cweapons%5Cmedpack%5CMedpack_5.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.flameservers.com/tfc-customize%...5CMedpack_5.jpg</a>

    It's used very widely. Basically at least half of all major games that use the concept of healing packs incorporate the red cross symbol in it somewhere. And no, you remember correctly. The red cross symbol is even used for your health bar as well.

    UkChaos, that's what i said. Maybe it's hard to see because I didn't use any paragraphs in my post. The example of a backstory was a hypothetical situation where the use of the red cross as a healing station could have come into the game world.

    Edit: And maybe it doesn't count with games, because it's the same as taking a photo of a red cross jacket. Who knows.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I don't think red cross on white is used as much as the red cross in general, but I'm sure it's in a good amount of games.
  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    edited October 2004
    I guess the original Doom is to blame for all the red crosses.

    Sure, others games will have used the same symbol before, but doom made it popular. Quake, Duke3d, Tombraider and Halflife used them too, and various generic FPS clones.

    I think tombraider's medpacks switched from red to green crosses in TR3.

    Unreal Tournament uses Blue crosses.
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