About Skins And Models?!?!?!?!

gen_hoeygen_hoey Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7933Members
in NS Customization
<div class="IPBDescription">Whats the diff. between them</div> the reason im posting this is i go to counter strike web sites and halflife web sites and look at all the diff skins but what i want to know is whats the diff between the diff skins for the diff. mods if anyone knows and how i go about changing the skins to fit in with natural selection and vica versa the help would be greatly apreciated

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  • EvintosEvintos Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3981Members
    If I'm not mistaken, some models for different mods will work for NS. A friend of mines tried a AWP model (From Counter Strike of course) and replaced it with the Grenade Launcher model in NS. It actually worked for some strange reason, but problem is the reloading and animations was horribly screwed up.

    Normally, if you want to replace a weapon model, or any model, all you have to do is download the new model, and replace the old model file.
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  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Evintos+Nov 10 2002, 02:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Evintos @ Nov 10 2002, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If I'm not mistaken, some models for different mods will work for NS. A friend of mines tried a AWP model (From Counter Strike of course) and replaced it with the Grenade Launcher model in NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    why oh why would anyone wanna do that? i can't see the logic!
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  • EvintosEvintos Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3981Members
    edited November 2002
    I could always ask him, but he ain't online as of now. But for me, I'd actually like to see a P90 for the light machine gun, dont ask why, I just think that gun looks kinda weird and semi-futuristic.
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  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Evintos+Nov 10 2002, 02:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Evintos @ Nov 10 2002, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I could always ask him, but he ain't online as of now. But for me, I'd actually like to see a P90 for the light machine gun, dont ask why, I just think that gun looks kinda weird and semi-futuristic.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yea true, but awp i mean come on!
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  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    <img src='http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~soaworld/iB_html/uploads/post-12-95949-mr0.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Skin: The details of the gun, what makes it look like a gun. It is layered over the model.

    <img src='http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~soaworld/iB_html/uploads/post-12-95996-pr0.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Model: The 3d model that makes it...well..3d

    Combine the two:
    <img src='http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~soaworld/iB_html/uploads/post-12-96083-kr0.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Note that most models use multiple "meshes" which is what makes up the skin of the gun. The 1st picture is one of several "meshes" that make up the total look of the gun.
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  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    edited November 2002
    Here is the reason you animations were messed up Evintos.

    Animations
    Note the difference between the following two pictures:
    <img src='http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~soaworld/iB_html/uploads/post-12-96323-anim.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    <img src='http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~soaworld/iB_html/uploads/post-12-96367-anim2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    Different names, different orders. VERY <b>rarely</b> will a model work if it is directly taken from one mod and put in another. To get it to work, the model must be opened up in a 3d modelling program, such as Milkshape, and the animations renamed and reorganized.
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  • EvintosEvintos Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3981Members
    I was just suprised it worked in the first place. Sure I knew that the animations would be screwed up but I never expected the model to actually show up without crashing NS or something.
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  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    oh hl models will always work with every mod, just not properly
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  • def_onedef_one Join Date: 2002-05-21 Member: 641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    yep, all it requires is that the animations be in the same order.

    doesnt hurt to have the animation lengths be the same too, otherwise you can get cutoff/dead time
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  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--def_one+Nov 10 2002, 06:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (def_one @ Nov 10 2002, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yep, all it requires is that the animations be in the same order.

    doesnt hurt to have the animation lengths be the same too, otherwise you can get cutoff/dead time<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    um...no

    the names have to be the same too
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  • BiTMAPBiTMAP Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7685Members
    yeah And if thats how the model looks WOW <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I wish there were liek refraction maps and stuff in HL :O! (like ut2k3)... this mod rawks great poly models.
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  • def_onedef_one Join Date: 2002-05-21 Member: 641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Vecdran+Nov 10 2002, 06:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Vecdran @ Nov 10 2002, 06:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->um...no

    the names have to be the same too<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    betcha they dont.

    saaay... $5.00
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  • Dirty_JDirty_J Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6863Members
    he is right, speaking of animating

    def do you got NS hands in max so i can make a new lmg animation for a pulse rifle, pulse rifle doesnt reload from the side so bleh i cant really use defaults
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  • AkanitAkanit Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5848Members
    Could you plz post a link to the
    HL Model viewer??
    ALso, is the weaponskins just
    ordinary sprites?
    I'm trying to learn this stuff.
    I'm adept at 3dsmax and a semi poor
    2d'er <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Haven't been interested in
    modeling for games until NS
    came along.
    Tnx.

    Akanit
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    (de-aging topic)
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  • VecdranVecdran Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2323Members
    Just search for Half-Life model viewer on google.

    And no, skins are not sprites. They are 256 color bitmaps applied to a model.
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  • SurgeSurge asda4a3sklflkgh Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 944Members
    Dirty, just make the hands use their psychic powers. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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