obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
Not all scripts are blocked when mp_blockscripts is 1. It only blocks : <ul><li>Binds with multiple commands in them (eg. bind f "jointeamone; say LOL").</li><li>Aliases containing +commands (eg. alias lol "+jump; wait; -jump").</li></ul> Everything else is still allowed on blockscripts servers.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cos you can't bhop that well without scripts, nor fire the pistol that fast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ever heard of extreme space bar bhopping?
You must learn some ppl actually can bhop with space bar no scripts. (1%?) And also, some players fire faster pistol with no scripts. (5-20%?)
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
edited February 2005
_special isn't blocked at all in beta 5. Mp_blockscripts 1 doesn't stop you from using _special scripts. It just doesn't let you using repeating commands (eg. +jump) in them. But a _special script that spams 'Request orders' radio communication, for example, works regardless of what value mp_bs has.
TheAdjHe demanded a cool forum title of some type.Join Date: 2004-05-03Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
Blockscripts blocks this:
Any alias with +/- commands will not work Any bind that utilizes more than one command
What this means is any + and - command will not execute, period. Any bind like bind F1 "exec marine.cfg; jointeamone" will not work, whereas: alias marines "exec marine.cfg;jointeamone" bind F1 marines
will work. _special is not blocked at all, a _special flashlight blink script will work, however useless it may actually be.
Are you sure that +/- wont work? My standard +s3 bind doesn't perform the attack, but it does switch to slot 3 when I hold the button and switch to slot 1 when I let go. In combination with mouse1, it's not hard at all to get around it. I'm just wanting to make sure +/- doesn't work. Maybe I'm on crack or something.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The old blockscripts stopped multi binds, unless they were aliased... They just added to it with the new fix of voogru's.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is 100% inaccurate.. voogru had nothing to do with it, he was simply following orders. Blockscripts in it's original incarnation was supposed to work the way it works today, but it was bugged, so voogru simply completed the implementation as originally specc'd.. He had little to nothing to do with the design of the command..
Hope this helps to stop the rabid inaccuracies that are running wild about this topic..
TheAdjHe demanded a cool forum title of some type.Join Date: 2004-05-03Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Jan 29 2005, 08:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Jan 29 2005, 08:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Are you sure that +/- wont work? My standard +s3 bind doesn't perform the attack, but it does switch to slot 3 when I hold the button and switch to slot 1 when I let go. In combination with mouse1, it's not hard at all to get around it. I'm just wanting to make sure +/- doesn't work. Maybe I'm on crack or something. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Other functions will most likely work, but +/- commands will not. It doesn't stop aliased commands that aren't +/-.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Jan 29 2005, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Jan 29 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hope this helps to stop the rabid inaccuracies that are running wild about this topic.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see many inaccuracies in this thread. So blockscripts works the way it's supposed to now eh ? Nice to see that many many harmless scripts are officially labelled as abusive, further feeding the ignorance that's going rampant in this community.
P.S.: Telling people who use scripts to go die and calling them names is no big deal in here I guess. o/
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Jan 29 2005, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Jan 29 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hope this helps to stop the rabid inaccuracies that are running wild about this topic.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see many inaccuracies in this thread. So blockscripts works the way it's supposed to now eh ? Nice to see that many many harmless scripts are officially labelled as abusive, further feeding the ignorance that's going rampant in this community.
P.S.: Telling people who use scripts to go die and calling them names is no big deal in here I guess. o/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People continue to blame voogru for the implementation of mp_bs we have currently while it has nothing to do with him.. Those are the inaccuracies I'm referring to. And note, I said topic (meaning voogru's involvement) not thread... This isn't the first time I've attempted to deal with this myth.
Blockscripts works exactly as it was specced yes, does that mean that it's perfect? I'd say no..
As for your last paragraph, I have no clue what you are nattering on about.. If you have an issue with something, take it to a relevant thread or PM an op... My comments were intended to clear up any miscoceptions about voogru. And I think I've done that..
a_civilianLikes seeing numbersJoin Date: 2003-01-08Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
<!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Feb 1 2005, 12:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Feb 1 2005, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for your last paragraph, I have no clue what you are nattering on about..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Voogru put "It's time for scripters to die" as the original subtitle for <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74571' target='_blank'>this thread</a>.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
Indeed, my last paragraph referred to the not-so-nice behavior of this person. I thought that as a member of the developement team, he should have acted in a more responsible and civil way.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People continue to blame voogru for the implementation of mp_bs we have currently while it has nothing to do with him.. Those are the inaccuracies I'm referring to. And note, I said topic (meaning voogru's involvement) not thread... This isn't the first time I've attempted to deal with this myth. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This myth comes from this thread he created, saying he had made a metamod fix for mp_blockscripts, and adding this offensive phrase as the description of the topic. It was edited afterwards, though. I don't find it surprising that people associate voogru with blockscripts after what happened there. I'd say that he reaps the consequences of such an irresponsible act, but maybe that's just me. What kind of example does a developer telling scripters to go die give to the community ?
And yes, I have a problem with the way mp_blockscripts currently works (are there changes to the block script functionality planned?), having loads of harmless scripts officially labelled as abusive in the default server.cfg.
But if the developement team decides to do so, who am I to criticize their oh-so-wise decision ? Who am I for wanting to be able to play with a jump script, without being discriminated and told go play elsewhere just because lots of people, often misinformed, dislike the way I play ? The majority decided. People who use scripts have no honour, nor skill. They are unfair cheaters, foul scum. Democracy.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Indeed, my last paragraph referred to the not-so-nice behavior of this person. I thought that as a member of the developement team, he should have acted in a more responsible and civil way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No arguement from me, and the fact it was inappropriate is probably the reason it was changed.
However the myth got started trust me when I say, he was only following orders <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the future of blockscripts, you never know what will happen....
Side note, re-read this thread.. note the only people insulting scripters are you and another prominent clanner.. you are fighting with people in here who are on your side... You are trying to paint so much continued anger and hate towards you, even though none has been tossed your way in this conversation, hell there's none in this entire forum... Just seems like an attempt to stir up something to me but I'm not biting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> That's my own 2 cents..
I think it's time to let go of some of the anger ... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
edited February 2005
It doesn't change the issue. Most people dislike, despise or hate scripts only by hearsay. Most of them know nothing about scripting. Most think that they are lame, cheating, remove the need for skill. And the fact that there is a variable that is advertised to block abusive scripts just reinforces this sentiment.
But why do we have this blockscripts feature in the first place ? Because there was a lot of complaining about them and how they are abusive, so flayra coded some bugged up crap to block them. Then voogru fixed it. This is the block script we have now. And scripters are kindly told that they are not welcome on a little less than half the servers, and the main reason for this is ignorance. Why should scripters go elsewhere ? Or why should they adapt and use a scriptless config depending on what server you are on ? What is the justification for this segregation and discrimination ? "Because most people don't like scripts" ? Can you base your decisions a herd of sheep screaming for the blocking of scripts ? How do you justify this prejudice ?
You are trying to address the myth about voogru and mp_bs. But do you do something to address the ignorance of the majority of the people ? No. You just give them a variable that blocks a lot without any distinction between abusive and harmless scripts. You tap on their shoulders and comfort them in their ignorance.
Yes I may be bitter and might have gone a little bit overboard with my previous comments, but the problem is here and nothing is being done to address it. We're in this situation because a decision was made based mostly on what clueless people said.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Amen, all I can say is that scripters have so little skills with gaming, the other day I was comming and someone joins and starts shooting randomly around and walking and says his scripts were messed up, I promptly gave him his own little guard waypoint and muted him<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But then, does that not mean that you are replacing skill and good timing with random buttonmashing?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->won't the one with scripts have an advantage ? Isn't that a bit dis-honorable?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as I said, I hate scripts<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Whatever people, your still kidding yourself and useing clever words to normalise wrong actions such as scripting. I suppose if i got a speedhack and wallhack, went on to a server saying i had scripts and motion you would think im not cheating right? Your all so dead wrong and denying it makes me sick.
Hacks or Scripts i really dont give a poo. Its still unfair on others u cheating losers . Face us without your scriptive ways and youd lose.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is It Still Possible To Script?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I could kill all of you cheaters, and id do it without your shortcutting scripts<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->script using fool who cant learn to play the game as it was intended with all other NS users<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->spend more time on skill building and less time of hack scripting and you'll be a great player before you know it<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can bunnyhop using mouse button 2 as it is sensitive. About every 5 hops i need to restart from bugin up but sometimes i can go for a good 10-12 hops. Its pracitce and timing. And considering mouse work on pistol thats simply tapping like heLL! (strong finger muscles <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
people tend to curse everything that gets them killed. is it 'focus noob', 'gl-spam noob', or 'scripting noob' really makes no difference. it's human nature.
for: "without scripts you would suck!" the answer is: "you would suck with scripts, cause you can't use them..." and both statements are pointless.
Zunni, you've stated that mp_blockscripts will henceforth work as intended. Could you elaborate on what it is intended to block, and what, exactly, the changes are?
Idle side note: You're deducting the attitude of the whole dev team from <i>one single thread</i> created by <i>one single member</i> who has not been with us for several months by now. And lament being generalized. At the same time.
obuhNot Quite Smart at NSJoin Date: 2003-03-31Member: 15072Members, Constellation
It's not about the thread voogru created. It's about blockscripts. Annoying a whole lot of people and telling them to go elsewhere, to satisfy the mass of ignorant, and blocking lots of harmless scripts, labelling them as abusive. That's my problem.
Blockscripts is still the same since it was fixed. Hence, it would seem that it works the way the devs want it to, and they don't care if it says that it blocks abusive scripts, when in reality it doesn't make any distinction between abusive and non abusive scripts. If it actually did what it says it does (block abusive scripts), I wouldn't have a problem with it.
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Feb 2 2005, 11:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Feb 2 2005, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's not about the thread voogru created. It's about blockscripts. Annoying a whole lot of people and telling them to go elsewhere, to satisfy the mass of ignorant, and blocking lots of harmless scripts, labelling them as abusive. That's my problem. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ^^
plus I can't +left or +right to skirt afk kickers, I have to find something to balance on one of the keys <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Back on the original topic, it's my understanding that the +/- commands within an alias are simply ignored and the rest of the commands in the the alias carried out in order.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's not about the thread voogru created. It's about blockscripts. Annoying a whole lot of people and telling them to go elsewhere, to satisfy the mass of ignorant, and blocking lots of harmless scripts, labelling them as abusive. That's my problem. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then why did you reply here? My initial reply was to clear up a misunderstanding about voogru (oh let me also add, he did not put _special back in on purpose, that was simply a bug). But you decided to reply to further your "change mp_bs" agenda, which isn't the point of my initial reply, or any of my subsequent ones.
Which goes back to my previous post of trying to stir up un-necessary drama.
Side note: if you hang out on irc (gamesurge) look for me anytime ^Zunni^ if you want to discuss removing blockscripts, I've already spoken to Firewater, theadj, jmms, meb, Forlorn, duogod, even Uzguz about scripting. But if you think you can add something new to the conversation, please PM me anytime I'm online...
But let's keep the potentially volatile conversations out of this forum. Especially if you want to help people better understand scripting, getting into the tired pro/anti script debate here isn't going to help your cause..
<!--QuoteBegin-Zamma+Feb 1 2005, 05:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zamma @ Feb 1 2005, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can bunnyhop using mouse button 2 as it is sensitive. About every 5 hops i need to restart from bugin up but sometimes i can go for a good 10-12 hops. Its pracitce and timing. And considering mouse work on pistol thats simply tapping like heLL! (strong finger muscles <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure everyone with RSI loves you now. Hey guys, just click more - ignore the fact that it hurts like dirty bloody frickin' hell! In my oppinion, its plenty exercise to ask of the player to perform spatial orientation and mouse-manuevering tasks, no need to add quick buttonmashing.
That aside Zunni, mind answering why we've been asked to ignore the "accidentially" freed up _special for so long now? Come on, a small fix can't have been so tough. Its a fairly large competitive issue, since its unpoliceable (the metamod to fix _special is circumventable, bleh).
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
edited February 2005
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That aside Zunni, mind answering why we've been asked to ignore the "accidentially" freed up _special for so long now? Come on, a small fix can't have been so tough. Its a fairly large competitive issue, since its unpoliceable (the metamod to fix _special is circumventable, bleh).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure, not opposed to answering questions like this especially at the stage we are at in development
2 main reasons, 1) In the development process we had completed bits and pieces of other fixes when this went in. For example, the unbuilt hive sprite had been put in, and other pieces were partially in. This made it impossible to have a patch just containing the fix. However, this is something that we are looking at improving for future releases, but this leads into #2
2) We expected to have this patch out a while ago.. But due to staff issues, we were not able to complete it on our original target date. Hiring for the team has started, and we are changing some processes to bring patches out more often. The delays aren't all bad btw, this enabled us to also put in the fixes for lerks, and fades/ladders...
Also think about the period it took til this was discovered, we had already started putting in new features (tpra for example) prior to this coming in. And couldn't send out a "broken" patch just to deal with the _special command. (Guess this belongs next to #1)
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<ul><li>Binds with multiple commands in them (eg. bind f "jointeamone; say LOL").</li><li>Aliases containing +commands (eg. alias lol "+jump; wait; -jump").</li></ul>
Everything else is still allowed on blockscripts servers.
alias joinonelol "jointeamone; say lol"
bind x "joinonelol"
would work for example whereas
bind x "jointeamone; say lol"
won't. It's all rather weird in some respects.
Cos you can't bhop that well without scripts, nor fire the pistol that fast.
Ever heard of extreme space bar bhopping?
You must learn some ppl actually can bhop with space bar no scripts. (1%?)
And also, some players fire faster pistol with no scripts. (5-20%?)
If I can, probably some others can.
Know of a list to all things it blocks?
Any alias with +/- commands will not work
Any bind that utilizes more than one command
What this means is any + and - command will not execute, period.
Any bind like bind F1 "exec marine.cfg; jointeamone" will not work, whereas:
alias marines "exec marine.cfg;jointeamone"
bind F1 marines
will work. _special is not blocked at all, a _special flashlight blink script will work, however useless it may actually be.
That is 100% inaccurate.. voogru had nothing to do with it, he was simply following orders. Blockscripts in it's original incarnation was supposed to work the way it works today, but it was bugged, so voogru simply completed the implementation as originally specc'd.. He had little to nothing to do with the design of the command..
Hope this helps to stop the rabid inaccuracies that are running wild about this topic..
Other functions will most likely work, but +/- commands will not. It doesn't stop aliased commands that aren't +/-.
I don't see many inaccuracies in this thread. So blockscripts works the way it's supposed to now eh ? Nice to see that many many harmless scripts are officially labelled as abusive, further feeding the ignorance that's going rampant in this community.
P.S.: Telling people who use scripts to go die and calling them names is no big deal in here I guess. o/
I don't see many inaccuracies in this thread. So blockscripts works the way it's supposed to now eh ? Nice to see that many many harmless scripts are officially labelled as abusive, further feeding the ignorance that's going rampant in this community.
P.S.: Telling people who use scripts to go die and calling them names is no big deal in here I guess. o/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People continue to blame voogru for the implementation of mp_bs we have currently while it has nothing to do with him.. Those are the inaccuracies I'm referring to. And note, I said topic (meaning voogru's involvement) not thread... This isn't the first time I've attempted to deal with this myth.
Blockscripts works exactly as it was specced yes, does that mean that it's perfect? I'd say no..
As for your last paragraph, I have no clue what you are nattering on about.. If you have an issue with something, take it to a relevant thread or PM an op... My comments were intended to clear up any miscoceptions about voogru. And I think I've done that..
Voogru put "It's time for scripters to die" as the original subtitle for <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74571' target='_blank'>this thread</a>.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->People continue to blame voogru for the implementation of mp_bs we have currently while it has nothing to do with him.. Those are the inaccuracies I'm referring to. And note, I said topic (meaning voogru's involvement) not thread... This isn't the first time I've attempted to deal with this myth.
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This myth comes from this thread he created, saying he had made a metamod fix for mp_blockscripts, and adding this offensive phrase as the description of the topic. It was edited afterwards, though. I don't find it surprising that people associate voogru with blockscripts after what happened there. I'd say that he reaps the consequences of such an irresponsible act, but maybe that's just me. What kind of example does a developer telling scripters to go die give to the community ?
And yes, I have a problem with the way mp_blockscripts currently works (are there changes to the block script functionality planned?), having loads of harmless scripts officially labelled as abusive in the default server.cfg.
But if the developement team decides to do so, who am I to criticize their oh-so-wise decision ? Who am I for wanting to be able to play with a jump script, without being discriminated and told go play elsewhere just because lots of people, often misinformed, dislike the way I play ? The majority decided. People who use scripts have no honour, nor skill. They are unfair cheaters, foul scum.
Democracy.
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No arguement from me, and the fact it was inappropriate is probably the reason it was changed.
However the myth got started trust me when I say, he was only following orders <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the future of blockscripts, you never know what will happen....
Side note, re-read this thread.. note the only people insulting scripters are you and another prominent clanner.. you are fighting with people in here who are on your side...
You are trying to paint so much continued anger and hate towards you, even though none has been tossed your way in this conversation, hell there's none in this entire forum... Just seems like an attempt to stir up something to me but I'm not biting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> That's my own 2 cents..
I think it's time to let go of some of the anger ... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But why do we have this blockscripts feature in the first place ? Because there was a lot of complaining about them and how they are abusive, so flayra coded some bugged up crap to block them. Then voogru fixed it. This is the block script we have now. And scripters are kindly told that they are not welcome on a little less than half the servers, and the main reason for this is ignorance. Why should scripters go elsewhere ? Or why should they adapt and use a scriptless config depending on what server you are on ? What is the justification for this segregation and discrimination ? "Because most people don't like scripts" ? Can you base your decisions a herd of sheep screaming for the blocking of scripts ? How do you justify this prejudice ?
You are trying to address the myth about voogru and mp_bs. But do you do something to address the ignorance of the majority of the people ? No. You just give them a variable that blocks a lot without any distinction between abusive and harmless scripts. You tap on their shoulders and comfort them in their ignorance.
Yes I may be bitter and might have gone a little bit overboard with my previous comments, but the problem is here and nothing is being done to address it. We're in this situation because a decision was made based mostly on what clueless people said.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Amen, all I can say is that scripters have so little skills with gaming, the other day I was comming and someone joins and starts shooting randomly around and walking and says his scripts were messed up, I promptly gave him his own little guard waypoint and muted him<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But then, does that not mean that you are replacing skill and good timing with random buttonmashing?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->won't the one with scripts have an advantage ? Isn't that a bit dis-honorable?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as I said, I hate scripts<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Whatever people, your still kidding yourself and useing clever words to normalise wrong actions such as scripting.
I suppose if i got a speedhack and wallhack, went on to a server saying i had scripts and motion you would think im not cheating right? Your all so dead wrong and denying it makes me sick.
Hacks or Scripts i really dont give a poo. Its still unfair on others u cheating losers . Face us without your scriptive ways and youd lose.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is It Still Possible To Script?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I could kill all of you cheaters, and id do it without your shortcutting scripts<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->script using fool who cant learn to play the game as it was intended with all other NS users<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->spend more time on skill building and less time of hack scripting and you'll be a great player before you know it<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
These are just a couple of examples, of course.
for: "without scripts you would suck!" the answer is: "you would suck with scripts, cause you can't use them..."
and both statements are pointless.
Zunni, you've stated that mp_blockscripts will henceforth work as intended. Could you elaborate on what it is intended to block, and what, exactly, the changes are?
Blockscripts is still the same since it was fixed. Hence, it would seem that it works the way the devs want it to, and they don't care if it says that it blocks abusive scripts, when in reality it doesn't make any distinction between abusive and non abusive scripts. If it actually did what it says it does (block abusive scripts), I wouldn't have a problem with it.
^^
plus I can't +left or +right to skirt afk kickers, I have to find something to balance on one of the keys <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Back on the original topic, it's my understanding that the +/- commands within an alias are simply ignored and the rest of the commands in the the alias carried out in order.
And isn't it supposed to block wait as well?
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Then why did you reply here? My initial reply was to clear up a misunderstanding about voogru (oh let me also add, he did not put _special back in on purpose, that was simply a bug). But you decided to reply to further your "change mp_bs" agenda, which isn't the point of my initial reply, or any of my subsequent ones.
Which goes back to my previous post of trying to stir up un-necessary drama.
Side note: if you hang out on irc (gamesurge) look for me anytime ^Zunni^ if you want to discuss removing blockscripts, I've already spoken to Firewater, theadj, jmms, meb, Forlorn, duogod, even Uzguz about scripting. But if you think you can add something new to the conversation, please PM me anytime I'm online...
But let's keep the potentially volatile conversations out of this forum. Especially if you want to help people better understand scripting, getting into the tired pro/anti script debate here isn't going to help your cause..
I'm sure everyone with RSI loves you now. Hey guys, just click more - ignore the fact that it hurts like dirty bloody frickin' hell! In my oppinion, its plenty exercise to ask of the player to perform spatial orientation and mouse-manuevering tasks, no need to add quick buttonmashing.
That aside Zunni, mind answering why we've been asked to ignore the "accidentially" freed up _special for so long now? Come on, a small fix can't have been so tough. Its a fairly large competitive issue, since its unpoliceable (the metamod to fix _special is circumventable, bleh).
Sure, not opposed to answering questions like this especially at the stage we are at in development
2 main reasons,
1) In the development process we had completed bits and pieces of other fixes when this went in. For example, the unbuilt hive sprite had been put in, and other pieces were partially in. This made it impossible to have a patch just containing the fix. However, this is something that we are looking at improving for future releases, but this leads into #2
2) We expected to have this patch out a while ago.. But due to staff issues, we were not able to complete it on our original target date. Hiring for the team has started, and we are changing some processes to bring patches out more often. The delays aren't all bad btw, this enabled us to also put in the fixes for lerks, and fades/ladders...
Also think about the period it took til this was discovered, we had already started putting in new features (tpra for example) prior to this coming in. And couldn't send out a "broken" patch just to deal with the _special command. (Guess this belongs next to #1)
lets not get this forum closed already