The "explotive" And "evil" Scripts

Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I have never seen them!</div> Where are these evil and explotive scripts?
The only one i could think of is the old "crash" script or the super leap script.
Where is the explorit script for 3.0?
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  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 13 2005, 09:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 13 2005, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Where are these evil and explotive scripts?
    The only one i could think of is the old "crash" script or the super leap script.
    Where is the explorit script for 3.0? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Both issues have been dealt with. There are no harmful script (some claim that the wigglewalk-script that locks up your system is though). People just need something to blame when they get killed by a better player and therefor feel more "comfortable" using mp_blockscripts 1.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    edited March 2005
    bind "MOUSE1" "kill"
    ^
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    This is pretty evil, especially when an admin uses it on you.
  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    only boarder line exploitable script is wiggle walk. what did the super leap script look like im curious
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    The "super leap script" was supposed to let you leap without using energy. When I tried it (and several other people), I found out that it let you leap without using energy about once every 20 leaps. In the 19 other cases, you just sat there like an idiot, having lost your energy without moving.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Mar 13 2005, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Mar 13 2005, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> bind "MOUSE1" "kill"
    ^
    |
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    This is pretty evil, especially when an admin uses it on you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Will not work in Combat.
  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Mar 14 2005, 06:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Mar 14 2005, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The "super leap script" was supposed to let you leap without using energy. When I tried it (and several other people), I found out that it let you leap without using energy about once every 20 leaps. In the 19 other cases, you just sat there like an idiot, having lost your energy without moving. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    oh i didnt know that, im curios to know what the actual script looked like.
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    If i recall, it was a _special with slot3 attack slo1 slot3 slot1 fast or something, made you leap rapidly without using energy. I had a movie of it somewhere
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Mar 13 2005, 11:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Mar 13 2005, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 13 2005, 09:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 13 2005, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Where are these evil and explotive scripts?
    The only one i could think of is the old "crash" script or the super leap script.
    Where is the explorit script for 3.0? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Both issues have been dealt with. There are no harmful script (some claim that the wigglewalk-script that locks up your system is though). People just need something to blame when they get killed by a better player and therefor feel more "comfortable" using mp_blockscripts 1. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is exacly what makes me sick.. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    I mean, they do they want scripts blocked now?
    I simple dont get it, and it freaks me out.
    The most usefull script i've seen is even a non-combat script, like a clever config changer or admin related stuff.
    I dont get where all the hate is from <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    And even if scripts give you an unfair advantage, how is this different from having a good computer vs. a bad one?
    or having a logitech mx900 with 8 bottums vs. standard microsoft ball mouse?
    Or using the mwheel to spam jump commands vs. 3/5 jump script?
    I really freaks me out, and it makes me sick. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • YashYash Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31501Members, Constellation
    <i>The omega TRIPLE POST!</i>
    You win some chill pills!
    Use them to wait until someone else posts before you post again!
  • l0tusl0tus Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31492Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...how is this different from having a good computer vs. a bad one?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    a good computer won't bunnyhop 5 times in a second for you. a good computer won't leap and time a bite or xenocide for you. a good computer won't make your character walk rapidly left-to-right to help you move faster throughout the level. a good computer won't...

    i could go on and on. i have nothing against scripts, but to say they give you no more of an advantage than a good computer does is seriously false.

    ...and yeah, <i><b>triple</b> post</i> ftl.
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    Basically, there is no reason to block scripts. I guess some people can feel safer with scripts blocked. Scripts somehow have a very bad reputation in this so called community. The fact that they had to implement a serverside variable to block them is a bit cantradictory (they fix exploits for mp_bs 0 and mp_bs 1, and then state that mp_bs blocks abusive scripts). To my knowledge, this is the only hl mod that has this feature.

    There is no such script that bhops for you etc. It's for people who want to bhop without having to use the mousewheel to jump. And having constant 100fps ingame is an absolutely huge advantage. Movement is so much smoother, it is easier to aim, etc.

    ++;
  • PsiRedEyexxiiPsiRedEyexxii Join Date: 2003-05-26 Member: 16707Members
    I got nothing against scripts, never really have. Only problem is I can't use em effectively. My skill can pretty much only go so far, having a tiny chair and a tall desk, along with being left-handed and using the arrow keys. I think if everyone had the exact same setup as me, I'd be a god. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-l0tus+Mar 14 2005, 04:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (l0tus @ Mar 14 2005, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> a good computer won't bunnyhop 5 times in a second for you. a good computer won't leap and time a bite or xenocide for you. a good computer won't make your character walk rapidly left-to-right to help you move faster throughout the level. a good computer won't...

    i could go on and on. i have nothing against scripts, but to say they give you no more of an advantage than a good computer does is seriously false. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe not a computer in and of itself, but there is nothing I can do with scripts that I can't do with a 30$ gamepad; and the gamepad isn't blocked by mp_bs. And the only really special part about the pad is the programming it has - I doubt I would be hard pressed to find some kind of key macro program on the web that dos the exact same thing for free.
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Mar 14 2005, 06:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Mar 14 2005, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The "super leap script" was supposed to let you leap without using energy. When I tried it (and several other people), I found out that it let you leap without using energy about once every 20 leaps. In the 19 other cases, you just sat there like an idiot, having lost your energy without moving. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I was one of the people helping to find out the extent of the problem and what caused it (When it was first posted in the bugs forum)... It didn't use _special, and I could do about 20-30 leaps. How well it worked really depended on the ping, but I tried it in some games with a ping of around 70 and asked if the other people saw me leaping over and over, but they just saw me leap once, (looking very oddly) and then bite a lot midair. It was like a super fast almost uncontrollable lerk.


    I can't remember how it was done entirely... I think it had to do with firing when slot1 was selected, and then quickly selecting slot3. For some reason the quick switch glitched it out to just take the energy from the first weapon, yet it fired both I think.

    I also managed to make a super fast bite script, but it didn't actually work, it just looked like it did. (It bit at basically normal speed, but to the client it looked crazy fast.)

    That bug also caused a lot of problems with people who did the leap bite technique, because if you hit lastinv too fast (and had focus), it would fire bite then and so then you wouldn't be able to bite when you got to the marines.
  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-l0tus+Mar 14 2005, 05:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (l0tus @ Mar 14 2005, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...how is this different from having a good computer vs. a bad one?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    a good computer won't bunnyhop 5 times in a second for you. a good computer won't leap and time a bite or xenocide for you. a good computer won't make your character walk rapidly left-to-right to help you move faster throughout the level. a good computer won't...

    i could go on and on. i have nothing against scripts, but to say they give you no more of an advantage than a good computer does is seriously false.

    ...and yeah, <i><b>triple</b> post</i> ftl. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Can you hook me up with the script that 'bunnyhops 5 times in a second' for me? I don't know what that is <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    If you're talking about 3jump (which doesn't 'bhop 5 times in a second'), that's the same thing as using a mwheel essentially.

    Nobody good uses a leap/bite or leap/xeno script or any other weapon changing scripts. They use lastinv and slot1-4. Leap/bite scripts make you play worse, not better...

    Since _special is again removed, wiggle-walk scripts will now lock you up until they are done and give no real advantadge over doing it manually... These too... are bad.

    You could go on and on you say? Please do, I'll clear up any misconceptions <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Having a good computer (vs a bad one) will do far more for your in game ability than all the scripts in the world. There's just no contest...
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Also having a headset(or sorrund set) will get you far more then any script imo.
    So having money will get you far far then having a script, why is scripts then blocked?
    Still haven't seen any abusive scripts for 3.0f.

    You could argue about wigglewalk, but from what i have tried it locks you up when running and that in it self is bad.
    <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    edited March 2005
    To clarify for you people, a 3 jump script doesn't actually jump you three jumps in under a second. What it does is send the jump <i>command</i> three times in under a second, making it much more likely that, in the instant you before you touch the ground, a jump will be performed. This is EXACTLY the same thing binding your mouse wheel to jump does. It spams the jump command multiple times in under a second so that you are much more likely to jump at the right instant.
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-ReK+Mar 15 2005, 05:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ReK @ Mar 15 2005, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To clarify for you people, a 3 jump script doesn't actually jump you three jumps in under a second. What it does is send the jump <i>command</i> three times in under a second, making it much more likely that, in the instant you before you touch the ground, a jump will be performed. This is EXACTLY the same thing binding your mouse wheel to jump does. It spams the jump command multiple times in under a second so that you are much more likely to jump at the right instant. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well put out <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 15 2005, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 15 2005, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also having a headset(or sorrund set) will get you far more then any script imo.
    So having money will get you far far then having a script, why is scripts then blocked?
    Still haven't seen any abusive scripts for 3.0f.

    You could argue about wigglewalk, but from what i have tried it locks you up when running and that in it self is bad.
    <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The wigglewalk people are complaining about was done through special or a macro, and did/does not lock up your controls like a regular script.
  • ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    <!--QuoteBegin-Minstrel Knight+Mar 15 2005, 11:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Minstrel Knight @ Mar 15 2005, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 15 2005, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 15 2005, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also having a headset(or sorrund set) will get you far more then any script imo.
    So having money will get you far far then having a script, why is scripts then blocked?
    Still haven't seen any abusive scripts for 3.0f.

    You could argue about wigglewalk, but from what i have tried it locks you up when running and that in it self is bad.
    <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The wigglewalk people are complaining about was done through special or a macro, and did/does not lock up your controls like a regular script. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The _special variation of that is now impossible. And external, fast-repeating macros <i>would</i> be impossible, if VAC worked for NS...
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Then my final question is,

    Why do we have block scripts when there are no abusive scripts and therefor no reason to have it?
  • ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 16 2005, 01:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 16 2005, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then my final question is,

    Why do we have block scripts when there are no abusive scripts and therefor no reason to have it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That, my friend, is the ultimate question isn't it?

    Basically, people need to blame their ineptitude on something other than the fact there may be a person better at the game than them. Scripts are a convient excuse.
  • mind_shiftmind_shift Join Date: 2004-06-07 Member: 29165Members
    the only script i ever see take a lot of blame is the ever famous pistol script.
  • mirrodinmirrodin Join Date: 2004-06-29 Member: 29621Members
    The weird thing is scripts do not aim for you, nor do they increase how well you play. All they do is increase your effiecieny(sp?). If I get my pistol crosshairs on a skulk my script just makes the semi-auto pistol into a full automatic gun.

    Valve allows users to edit their scripts, no harm. The NS Team even allows servers to activate mp_blockscripts. Simply put, if you do not like scripts or you believe that they are 'explotive' or 'evil' then you are welcome to play on those servers that block scripts.

    Many people complain that scripts give players the advantage. It is there own fault that they do not understand the system.

    If scripts are bad because they make me more effiecent then overclocking my CPU must be a sin since I can play the game much smoother. Obv.
  • ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    Exactly. Well put.
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Then, a new question..<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    How do we get the devs to "rethink" it?
  • AkalamanaiaAkalamanaia Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11833Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-mirrodin+Mar 17 2005, 02:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mirrodin @ Mar 17 2005, 02:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The weird thing is scripts do not aim for you, nor do they increase how well you play. All they do is increase your effiecieny(sp?). If I get my pistol crosshairs on a skulk my script just makes the semi-auto pistol into a full automatic gun.

    Valve allows users to edit their scripts, no harm. The NS Team even allows servers to activate mp_blockscripts. Simply put, if you do not like scripts or you believe that they are 'explotive' or 'evil' then you are welcome to play on those servers that block scripts.

    Many people complain that scripts give players the advantage. It is there own fault that they do not understand the system.

    If scripts are bad because they make me more effiecent then overclocking my CPU must be a sin since I can play the game much smoother. Obv. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You contradict yourself, increasing your efficiency is increasing how well you play.
  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    actually theres a script that comes pretty close to bhopping for you, its bound to mwheelup and mwheeldown and when you scroll mhweel up it jumps and looks left for you, and vice versa. its not very good but it still comes very very close to bhopping for you.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Akalamanaia+Mar 17 2005, 08:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Akalamanaia @ Mar 17 2005, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You contradict yourself, increasing your efficiency is increasing how well you play. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Efficiency does not equal skill. Pit two different players together: a skulk from [t]error and a marine who has only been playing the game a few weeks.

    1) Give both players default configs. Skulk wins.

    2) Give the marine loads of scripts. Skulk still wins.

    3) Give the marine an aimbot and wallhack. Marine wins.

    Please note the difference. Hacks make you play better. Scripts make the game more comfortable for you to play.
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