Ms Says You Must Install Sp2

GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
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for the lazy:

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I_am_Rambi writes "On Tuesday, April 12, Microsoft will turn off the blocking feature that has made it possible for some enterprises to block Windows XP Service Pack 2 downloads by employees who use Automatic Update. That means in companies that used the blocking tool, SP2 will be downloaded automatically to desktop computers that use Windows' Automatic Update feature." An anonymous reader adds "Microsoft has published a list of known software that will not work with Service Pack 2. Most of the software will either not run or will display a blue screen of death during installation of the software or when you start up your computer." That may be why, as ErichTheWebGuy writes, "In a survey of PCs at 251 businesses in the U.S. and Canada, asset tracking company AssetMetrix of Ottawa found that only 24 percent of the systems running Windows XP had been upgraded to Service Pack 2."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    I'm glad I'm using 2000 (much better than XP in my opinion). Still, this will be good for all of us, because home users will be much less susceptible to viruses and spyware, reducing their spread.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    That's just wrong. They're pushing it too far. Some people need that software to work because it's vital to the companies involved. What on earth are they thinking?
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's just wrong. They're pushing it too far. Some people need that software to work because it's vital to the companies involved. What on earth are they thinking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Profiteering.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thaldarin+Apr 6 2005, 02:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ Apr 6 2005, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's just wrong.  They're pushing it too far.  Some people need that software to work because it's vital to the companies involved.  What on earth are they thinking? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Profiteering. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How do they profit from this, again?
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Apr 6 2005, 07:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Apr 6 2005, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's just wrong.  They're pushing it too far.  Some people need that software to work because it's vital to the companies involved.  What on earth are they thinking? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Security.

    Any company worth its weight in salt would update its software to work with SP2. If it's an old version, it's not really anybody's problem but your own that you're using a defunct version.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    /me sits back and laughes.
  • TheDestroyerTheDestroyer Tooobah Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18123Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Apr 6 2005, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Apr 6 2005, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's just wrong. They're pushing it too far. Some people need that software to work because it's vital to the companies involved. What on earth are they thinking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That they are Microsoft and they own everyone's souls. Duh.

    Oh, and the security thing. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->SP2 will be downloaded automatically to desktop computers that use Windows' Automatic Update feature."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Don't use automatic update.
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thaldarin+Apr 6 2005, 02:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thaldarin @ Apr 6 2005, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Apr 6 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's just wrong.  They're pushing it too far.  Some people need that software to work because it's vital to the companies involved.  What on earth are they thinking? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Profiteering.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can't profit off've something that you give to people for free <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/TSA_Skin-975/icon2.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />.
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    Notice that you still dont have to install it any more than you have to install any other updates. Most of the programs that were incompatable with sp2 have had new versions released that do work, and as long as you have a legal copy of windows, there is no reason not to get sp2 anyway.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Apr 6 2005, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Apr 6 2005, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can't profit off've something that you give to people for free <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/TSA_Skin-975/icon2.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You'd be surprised.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Good. SP2 is an important update and MS gave them the courtesy of having months to update their software, so it's nobody's fault but theirs if their software doesn't work with an essential update. They can always switch to Linux, fix their software or just not install SP2. They have that option.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Yeah, I don't really see this as being <i>that</i> bad...
  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    Slashdot has posted this twice before. Once before Christmas and once after Christmas...
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Did anyone even bother to read the damn post?

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->On Tuesday, April 12, Microsoft will turn off the blocking feature that has made it possible for some enterprises to block Windows XP Service Pack 2 downloads by employees who use Automatic Update. That means in companies that used the blocking tool, SP2 will be downloaded automatically to desktop computers that use Windows' Automatic Update feature."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They're not forcing people to install SP2, they're just no longer protecting people from themselves. Turning off automatic update automatically negates this problem.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    But many people are dip-shits and don't know how, or why to turn off auto update.
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    and most of those people wont be using software that is affected by this anyway.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Apr 7 2005, 12:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Apr 7 2005, 12:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But many people are dip-shits and don't know how, or why to turn off auto update. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And what would they be better off with Linux?
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    I don't really care about any of this (well, the "omg m$ is evilaszzzsaz!" type stuff anyway), but why exactly are they doing it? Why do THEY care if their users don't/haven't chosen to download a free update?
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Apr 6 2005, 06:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Apr 6 2005, 06:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't really care about any of this (well, the "omg m$ is evilaszzzsaz!" type stuff anyway), but why exactly are they doing it? Why do THEY care if their users don't/haven't chosen to download a free update? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because it's more than a security update <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Conspiracy theories are running rampant through my head, I'll get back to you...
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't really care about any of this (well, the "omg m$ is evilaszzzsaz!" type stuff anyway), but why exactly are they doing it? Why do THEY care if their users don't/haven't chosen to download a free update? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Read my first post. It's good for the internet to have clients with firewalls, anti-virus software, and anti-spyware software.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't really care about any of this (well, the "omg m$ is evilaszzzsaz!" type stuff anyway), but why exactly are they doing it? Why do THEY care if their users don't/haven't chosen to download a free update? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because THEY get criticized for making an insecure product, even though they're fixing it and the problem is that nobody is updating.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Apr 7 2005, 12:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Apr 7 2005, 12:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't really care about any of this (well, the "omg m$ is evilaszzzsaz!" type stuff anyway), but why exactly are they doing it? Why do THEY care if their users don't/haven't chosen to download a free update? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because THEY get criticized for making an insecure product, even though they're fixing it and the problem is that nobody is updating. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah..... but now they're being criticised for "forcing people to download" stuff when they don't want to, even though they're not forcing anyone to do anything.

    Poor Microsoft <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Soon people are going to be sorry for insulting Microsoft so much, for when Bill Gates unleashes his secret army, with Monse at the head of it in his shiny new mech.... I've said too much.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Apr 7 2005, 12:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Apr 7 2005, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because it's more than a security update <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And? You say it like theres something to hide.

    I personally do not care if Microsoft want to know who games I play or what pr0n I have a personal preference in. Besides, Microsoft at the end of the day provide a product. Which people use. But its still Microsofts product.

    Besides every orgainisation probably monitors what you look at over the internet,. If your really that paranoid and want to keep your privacy unplug your internet and take a sledgehammer to your PC. Because its the only way to be safe and I bet even Linux has its failings.
  • LoDwkeefLoDwkeef Join Date: 2003-10-08 Member: 21512Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Apr 6 2005, 08:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Apr 6 2005, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Apr 7 2005, 12:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Apr 7 2005, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because it's more than a security update <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And? You say it like theres something to hide.

    I personally do not care if Microsoft want to know who games I play or what pr0n I have a personal preference in. Besides, Microsoft at the end of the day provide a product. Which people use. But its still Microsofts product.

    Besides every orgainisation probably monitors what you look at over the internet,. If your really that paranoid and want to keep your privacy unplug your internet and take a sledgehammer to your PC. Because its the only way to be safe and I bet even Linux has its failings. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    must personally see to the destruction of the HD, or it is still recoverable(dismantleing and magnitism FTW!)
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    So what about the software that becomes defunct? "Don't use it anymore" isn't really a fair option.

    I guess they could turn autoupdate off and when they go to windowsupdate.com they could unselect service pack 2. Kinda sucks to lose autoupdate though.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    Wow, I've seen "Linux" in here at least three times, when it has nothing to do with the topic.

    The way I see it, this is... I don't know, it seems fine to me, especially if all their updates from then on are going to assume an SP2 base. However, there are several progrms used in key areas (like say, the medical industry) that for whatever reason don't work with SP2. This isn't the fault of the company thats using the program, why should they be punished?
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 7 2005, 12:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 7 2005, 12:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, I've seen "Linux" in here at least three times, when it has nothing to do with the topic.

    The way I see it, this is... I don't know, it seems fine to me, especially if all their updates from then on are going to assume an SP2 base. However, there are several progrms used in key areas (like say, the medical industry) that for whatever reason don't work with SP2. This isn't the fault of the company thats using the program, why should they be punished? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can always block windowsupdate.microsoft.com at the firewall level. Plus, vital medical computers shouldn't be hooked up to the internet.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Apr 7 2005, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Apr 7 2005, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Apr 7 2005, 12:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Apr 7 2005, 12:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, I've seen "Linux" in here at least three times, when it has nothing to do with the topic.

    The way I see it, this is... I don't know, it seems fine to me, especially if all their updates from then on are going to assume an SP2 base. However, there are several progrms used in key areas (like say, the medical industry) that for whatever reason don't work with SP2. This isn't the fault of the company thats using the program, why should they be punished? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can always block windowsupdate.microsoft.com at the firewall level. Plus, vital medical computers shouldn't be hooked up to the internet. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    True enough.
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Having microsoft release updates to fix security holes is a wonderful idea and I have no problem with it.

    The problem that I have with SP2 is it is too... dumbed down for me? I know I need an antivirus, I know a need a firewall (now), I dont need more stuff running in the background always checking it and helping chew up more system resources and adding more needless icons to my already crammed icons in the bottom right.

    And my god, just how many security holes can we have? I have 8 gigs dedicated to windows. I moved the tmp and temp drives onto a swap drive on it's own, and every program is kept off it. The documents and settings data is on another drive. Windows basically by itself with all these updates is nearly 4 gigs. Sigh. I just find SP2, good in theory, but causes tons of hassles and slowdowns (from working in tech). I still don't like it, even with the new patches out.
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