Something Needs To Be Done About Cheaters.

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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    I actualy have seen one aimbot (demoed) and that was on a skulk.

    Aimbot + leap = scary!

    hmm, mabey I should go play on random pubs for a boost in self confidence if what every one says is true <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GoldenShadowGoldenShadow Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 483Members
    I wanna see this demo
  • SjNSjN Join Date: 2003-01-07 Member: 11983Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    omg all clans hack.
  • WorstWorst Join Date: 2005-04-08 Member: 47883Members
    Seen an aimbot for rines.... once. If people do cheat, theres not many of them.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Apr 13 2005, 11:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Apr 13 2005, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe it's my choice of servers, but I've only seen 2 cheats in three years of NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's your choice of servers. I have never seen a hacker on LM or NSA, but I've been playing more random 50 level pubs these days, and I now run into either a blatant aimbotters or speed hacker every couple weeks.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <a href='http://mbnet.fi/tomekki/finnaxx.rar' target='_blank'>http://mbnet.fi/tomekki/finnaxx.rar</a>

    theres a cheater for you.

    ps: if you play this game enough you get to know every single corner and hiding spot on the roof, + you develop a "sixth sense" for ambushes. that combined with actually listening to skulks and stuff, yeah, it can be assumed simply as a wallhack.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Apr 13 2005, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Apr 13 2005, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://mbnet.fi/tomekki/finnaxx.rar' target='_blank'>http://mbnet.fi/tomekki/finnaxx.rar</a>

    theres a cheater for you.

    ps: if you play this game enough you get to know every single corner and hiding spot on the roof, + you develop a "sixth sense" for ambushes. that combined with actually listening to skulks and stuff, yeah, it can be assumed simply as a wallhack. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Holy fudge, cheater got owned. The sad thing is I probably could have been about as useful as he was without hacks. If I played with those hacks for a little while I have no doubt at all I would simply never die and make nearly infinate ammounts of kills.

    I got a demo of a somewhat more blatant cheater useing the same hacks that guy was in which he just gets JP/HMG on co_faceoff, and proceeds to spawncamp every single skulk as they spawn before you can even see them on the screen (unless you use x4 slowmo) That one is frigging ammusing. he bashes into walls and what not every time he locks onto a new skulk.

    I also have a great demo of a classic speedhack, but I accidentally recorded like 2 games after the intesting part finished, so it is a fair bit too large to transfer around <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    The scary part is how easy it is to get hold of the cheats.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    it takes then 5 min to find a cheat and install it.
    takes me 5 secs to ban them.

    I say its fine. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • moskiittomoskiitto Join Date: 2003-12-18 Member: 24504Members
    I have seen about 10 speedhackers (three yesterday) and one with aimbot. Speedhackers don't tend to hide their cheating what I see :] This one guy with aimbot played co, killed pretty well in marines and aliens (as lerk) but then his kills got higher and higher while deaths got lower and lower. Speck, saw him as a lerk and he didn't miss even one bite. And weird part came when he tried to kill jp which was straight up. Lock on target and lerk started to spin like hell.

    What I see, cheating isn't big problem.
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DarkFrost+Apr 13 2005, 03:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Apr 13 2005, 03:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your assumed cheater, is cautious, knows the map, isn't stupid, is probably a high level clan member aliased.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the guy you think is cheating doesn't notice you, then you probably have a genuine awesome player. If they do notice you, then they are hacking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A genuine awesome player antisipates every possible location you may be hiding.

    Getting 50 / 3 as marine it isn't hard in the publics just now.

    This kind of accusation is a joke, happened to myself and two friends yestarday, just because we were top 3 on marines, we became : cheaters, noobs for spawn camping (2 shoot hive one covers... common practice : Its really very funny how many players expect you to allow them to kill you, simply because you are in the hive room), were skilless (as informed by a guy who's only means of killing was xeno).

    I just don't believe you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    and what about cheaters where it's really obvious that they cheat?

    I don't play combat that much but the last time I played combat we had 2 cheaters in the marine team (they also had the same nicks with a (1) and (2) behind it). I was on aliens first and then switched to marines next round. I wasn't the only one who was complaining about these guys. they made impossible things. to prove our suspecting we joined the spec mode. and then we saw it.

    The guy was reloading the 8 shotgun rounds like this "clicklicklicklick" (without catpacks) then we switched to the view of another player in the marine team and he was reloading the shotgun like this "click - click - click" normal speed. We compared it dozent times and spectated also other obvious things that they were cheating. they moved their "mouse" in a very inhumanity way. you could obviously see that they were only sometimes moving the mouse themself.

    those guys were completely godlike with jp and hmg. the hmg reloading also happened way faster than normal. and the whole alien team wasn't impressed about those guys killing them on their own.

    what do you say about that?? they didn't even care about we spectated them. but when the server admin joined they disconnected very fast and disappeared..
  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    I believe there is something wierd about shotgun relaod animation watching from spectator view. Sometimes I will see a player reload faster than usual, or so it seems, but that player I KNOW doesn't cheat. I just shrugged it off as a bug. Now as for the HMG, I've never seen the same or a similar bug like that. I do not believe there are reload cheats though.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Church+Apr 14 2005, 03:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Apr 14 2005, 03:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe there is something wierd about shotgun relaod animation watching from spectator view. Sometimes I will see a player reload faster than usual, or so it seems, but that player I KNOW doesn't cheat. I just shrugged it off as a bug. Now as for the HMG, I've never seen the same or a similar bug like that. I do not believe there are reload cheats though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    speed hack, its that simple

    all you need is a speedhack, that can be activated with a single keypress

    "bind r reload;speed" and you are done
  • ultranewbultranewb Pro Bug Hunter Join Date: 2004-07-21 Member: 30026Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 13 2005, 02:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 13 2005, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's your choice of servers. I have never seen a hacker on LM or NSA, <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're not looking. I'll often see at least one obvious cheater every latenight on NSA combat when admin coverage is nill.
  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-SjN+Apr 13 2005, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SjN @ Apr 13 2005, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> omg all clans exploit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fixed.
  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Minstrel Knight+Apr 15 2005, 01:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Minstrel Knight @ Apr 15 2005, 01:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SjN+Apr 13 2005, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SjN @ Apr 13 2005, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> omg all clans exploit. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fixed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bugs exsists forever =\
    EXPLOITS FTWWWWWWWWW
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-spinviper+Apr 13 2005, 04:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (spinviper @ Apr 13 2005, 04:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-GoldenShadow+Apr 13 2005, 03:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoldenShadow @ Apr 13 2005, 03:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres seems to always be at least one guy on a marine team that has a 50/3 kill/death count while the next guy down has 14/12 at best.  I tried everything I could think of, Silence, cloak, you can't surprise these people. They always know exactly where to aim when they run through a doorway to shoot you. before you even realize you need to run forward and bite.  The only possible way to kill these people is to gang up 5 skulks and rush him and hopefully the last guy can kill him while hes reloading. If they ever get HMGs or shotguns and they rush your hive, you'll lose the game because of the spawn camp from them while everyone else shoots the hive. Its really easy to tell the skilled folks apart from the hackers though.

    Here is a little test. All you gotta do is find a really good hiding spot in a semi heavy marine traffic zone and don't move, not even the mouse. Most marines simply run right underneath you. But the assumed cheater will nail you in a heartbeat as soon as he even goes close to you. Did I make a sound? Was I on MT? no, no 

    If the guy you think is cheating doesn't notice you, then you probably have a genuine awesome player. If they do notice you, then they are hacking. 

    One server I was on had a guy who could find me anywhere I was hiding, and I had cloak, wow. how blatant can it get?

    We need VAC for NS already, I wish they would hurry. Whip them with the ban sticks.

    Does Cheating Death work still? I haven't tried it yet since 3.0 final, How well does it work in fighting hacks? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude, just read this , including the IMAGES section.

    These guys DO NOT cheat. Search for "teppla" on these forums, if you are not convinced.<a href='http://teppla.com/txt/' target='_blank'>SITE</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Lol, if you define teppla as "good" then you have some serious homework to do. Needless to say, a lot of the good pub players out there are probably legit and some of the bad players probably aren't. It's not always the highest scorer that could be walling.
  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Apr 14 2005, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Apr 14 2005, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Lol, if you define teppla as "good" then you have some serious homework to do. Needless to say, a lot of the good pub players out there are probably legit and some of the bad players probably aren't. It's not always the highest scorer that could be walling. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good is very relative to the person. Who your average ns player thinks is good and who me or you thinks is good might differ a bit.
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Minstrel Knight+Apr 14 2005, 11:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Minstrel Knight @ Apr 14 2005, 11:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Apr 14 2005, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Apr 14 2005, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Lol, if you define teppla as "good" then you have some serious homework to do. Needless to say, a lot of the good pub players out there are probably legit and some of the bad players probably aren't. It's not always the highest scorer that could be walling. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good is very relative to the person. Who your average ns player thinks is good and who me or you thinks is good might differ a bit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, someone's gotta inform him <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • spinviperspinviper Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16151Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Apr 14 2005, 11:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Apr 14 2005, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Minstrel Knight+Apr 14 2005, 11:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Minstrel Knight @ Apr 14 2005, 11:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Apr 14 2005, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Apr 14 2005, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Lol, if you define teppla as "good" then you have some serious homework to do. Needless to say, a lot of the good pub players out there are probably legit and some of the bad players probably aren't. It's not always the highest scorer that could be walling. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good is very relative to the person. Who your average ns player thinks is good and who me or you thinks is good might differ a bit. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, someone's gotta inform him <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know that compared to *good* players he isn't "good", but I was speaking in reference to the average pub, just see the number of times people screamed OMG HAX at him. Thanks anyway <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TepplaTeppla Join Date: 2002-09-29 Member: 1368Banned
    hah, minstrel and jmms. Expected responses from typical clanners.
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Teppla+Apr 15 2005, 05:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teppla @ Apr 15 2005, 05:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hah, minstrel and jmms.  Expected responses from typical clanners. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Expected response from typical retard. If I recall correctly, the last time I played with you you were absolutely terrible, and tried to F4 before the round ended so I wouldn't get a hilarious screenshot (ps, that didn't work). Then you quit the server. But I shouldn't be typing this, getting mad at nubs doesn't make me feel good inside <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Then again, you think I hack, so...
  • BalmarkBalmark Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3476Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-GoldenShadow+Apr 13 2005, 08:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoldenShadow @ Apr 13 2005, 08:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here is a little test. All you gotta do is find a really good hiding spot in a semi heavy marine traffic zone and don't move, not even the mouse. Most marines simply run right underneath you. But the assumed cheater will nail you in a heartbeat as soon as he even goes close to you. Did I make a sound? Was I on MT? no, no
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    hmm I think your test would brand me as a cheater .. if I get MT, I mark places where I last saw movment.. If I caught it that is .. a dot disappearing is a nice easy mark cause you're not gonna be jumping about to avoid the shot <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> muahhah

    Still if he's consistently and constantly doing it .. they may be cheating .. it's unfortunate, but ns has cheater .. thankfully, nothing compared to the CS lot .. and most are easy to spot (if you've ever seen a marine with aimbot .. you'll know what I mean)

    But yeah .. on the other side .. there are some ppl that are just completely awesome at the game .. defy everyone and everything.. alot of cheats are null and void with the abilities .. I mean .. wallhack when you have MT, aimbot when you have a lvl 3 shottie (as if you can miss heh), speedhacks with leap+celerity ..
  • eheheheh5eheheheh5 Join Date: 2005-04-02 Member: 47300Members
    hahahahahaaa a a notepad what a flipping awsome gimmick lmfao hahahah 55555555555555555555
  • SizerSizer Join Date: 2003-10-08 Member: 21531Members
    edited April 2005
    Well there are a buttload of cheaters that play this mod, as a few trips to some highly populated NS or CO servers will show you. I've seen 5 aimbotters this week among two co servers, none of them attempting to hide it. Just demo it and move on...

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's your choice of servers. I have never seen a hacker on omitted or omitted,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    PLEASE get some new glasses or contacts then. Aimbotting on the latter server is a daily occurance, and several cheaters are banned each week due to reports in their forum. Depending on the hours you play there, the people who are actually banned don't begin to scratch the surface. And guess what - there are easily twice that amount on a certain set of co servers that I connect to daily.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then again, you think I hack, so...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Heh. Teppla saying others hack is funny, because his groupies have done it in the past on several servers (hey guys, if an admin is watching you hax with his own eyes, he's going to ban you on the spot and not bother with a demo). This is on top of their attempts to annoy the daylights out of pubbers so they can get banned and gloat about it on their site.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    First off. As noted, if you see someone cheating, go spec and capture a first-person demo. I'm told this doesn't always work, as some of the cheats turn themselves off under spectation. Likely rumor.

    Second, this is not a clan-squabble thread. If you have dirty laundry, please take it to PMs, or somewhere other than this board. Polite and civil at all times.

    Third, to the thread originator, please use the Search function. These threads have cropped up now and again since 1.04... and they all have the same information (take a demo and send it to the admin, do NOT bring it here), and all end the same way, in being...


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